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Tegel to be open?
 

But the source eu01 links to only says (if my olc school German is correct) that Ryanair wants Tegel to be kept open and tells people to sign the petition to keep Tegel open.

Is it ?

Firstly I was referring to the new airport which is in fact being used for some revenue generating activity (ie. the parking facility...).

Now my understanding is that said new airport was to use the code BBI (Berlin Brandenburg International), once both TXL, SXF and THF would be closed and consolidated there, as per initial plans... until someone realized that there was already an airport using this code in India (Biju Patnaik International Airport). At which point the code was change to BER. Now I have no idea what code the airport will use, assuming it ever opens :confused:

It still will be BER if and when it opens, the airport code hasn't changed so I don't know why you state 'now I have no idea what code the airport will use'!

What no idea whatsoever!

It's BER nothings changed on that part just the prolonged opening.

But you are aware that the new Berlin airport BER is situated at Schonefeld!

Well i'm pretty sure that the code BBI was initially considered for the new airport...

As for BER it sometimes (probably erroneously) refers to all airports in Berlin ("Metropolitan Area" as per IATA designation). Typically appears in booking engines for instance.

Also noteworthy is the FBB/BBF codes for - if I correctly understand - the company overseeing the operations of all Berlin airports.

Anyway time will tell :)

BBI was indeed the IATA code that was origionaly assigned to Berlin Brandenburg Airport but was changed to BER for reasons mentioned in post 123, because it was and still is intended to be the sole airport for the city of Berlin so NO confusion.

At the moment, the new Brandenburg terminal has a capacity of around 27m pax per year. Tegel and Schonefeld combined currently service well over 30m pax per year, and it seems likely that the Schonefeld terminal will remain open to cope with the passenger numbers and avoid overloading the new Brandenburg terminal

Does that mean that the SXF code will continue in parallel with BER, or will the old East German terminal get the new BER code and branding ?

Indeed it is. AFAIK, the SXF rwy will be one of BER's 2 rwys, correct me if this wrong.


It's possible that TXL may have to remain open to allow for expansion in pax numbers, even if the SXF teminal remains open for "no frills" carriers. In that case, a new IATA code will be needed as BER will remain the generic code for all Berlin airports. For simlicity's sake, best call it SXF.

Probably the latter, if TXL has been closed, probably not otherwise.


But don't hold your breath in any event.

If and when BER opens it will be BER, I am sure that if the old Schonefeld terminal is kept for low cost airlines it will still be part of the BER airport but probably called BER Terminal 2.

If TXL is kept open and a very big IF obviously it will remain TXL.

I really don't see what the confusion is!

In Oban
Further to comments on how well Cross Rail was doing I thought I would just post this article from todays construction enquirer. Sounds to be going very well ! Promise to go back to planes and airports now as we have just been appointed to a new airport re development so will get back on topic.

"Balfour Beatty has agreed to pay Crossrail electricians bonuses of more than £4 an hour for the rest of the duration of the project.

The deal has been struck at the Whitechapel site and union leaders will now push for similar finishing bonuses from other contractors across the whole route.
The deal could add millions to contractors’ costs on the project which is facing major technical challenges.

The Enquirer reported claims by workers last month that the job is in chaos with recently installed M&E work being ripped out because of incorrect drawings.
Electricians have now dubbed the job the “Hokey Cokey” line because they take so much M&E work out after it has been put in.
One source said: “I’ve never seen anything like it down there.
“I don’t know what on earth happened with the technical drawings but the whole thing is a mess.”

The latest bonus deal also includes provision for a one hour daily paid break and will see electrcians’ hourly rates top the £22 mark.
Another source added: “Now Balfour has moved on this all the other contractors will come under enormous pressure to match these bonus payments.”

Said, I take it, with more than a small dose of irony!!

Good luck with your new job. I was aware of these M and E issues, and I dare say my learned friends will be well paid allocating the blame. The question is - will these costs be paid by the contractors or be charged to Crossrail? That's why you need a well-designed contract.

Muhlenfeld out - Marks back in
 

The farce continues

I am out of words...

2016 stats are out for German aiports.
Tegel saw 21.25m passengers, while Schonefeld saw 11.65m passengers
Thus Berlin's two airports saw a total of 32.9m passengers which would be a challenge to fit into BER's 27m passenger design capacity

Seems there are no two ways about it - Schonefeld (or Tegel) absolutely has to stay open in combination with BER

The whole airport is wholly unfit for purpose, tear it down, replan it, remove any personnel that has anything to do with the current project, build it, have it all done within 5 years and then open it.

Scratching arses and heads until the next problem arises hasn't gotten them anywhere

As stated in #121, TXL will have to remain open.

The new airport is an extension of SXF, so effectively, it will remain open.

Leaked documents from BER airport now say that 2018 is a definite no, with a target opening date of the second half of 2019. A delay of the opening to 2020 cannot however be ruled out

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/n...l-over-new-ber

Air Berlin (AB, Berlin Tegel) chief Thomas Winkelmann has told Die Zeit that if Berlin Tegel airport remains open, his airline would prefer to stay there rather than move to the new Berlin Brandenburg Int'l.

"If Tegel remains open, you can make a museum out of the BER," Winkelmann is quoted as saying.

The question being will AB still be in business by the time BER opens...

FWIW apparently Easyjet is also considering flying from Tegel.

Obviously, makes sense, why go to all the hassle and expense.

At this rate, the LHR third rwy will be in use before the expanded SXF (for that is what it is).

Well I guess we have the answer....

Sadly not re LHR

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/third-heathrow-runway-faces-further-year-of-delay-xl6v2sx2g

BER not before 2090?

Opening unlikely before 2021

Article in German, but Google Translate will turn it into English for you...
Neuer Rückschlag am Hauptstadtflughafen: Geheimer Tüv-Bericht zum BER offenbart bisher unbekannte Mängel - Berlin - Tagesspiegel

The fall of Air Berlin may take some pressure off at least ;)

2020 now seems to be the target, although the article doesn't give any insight as of why this would be a more likely date than any other....

That FT article is behind a paywall!

Anyway the news that BER will not open until 2020 'at the earliest' was announced over two weeks ago and there is lots of press releases online and over on the a.net forums the discussion has run into over 100 posts so your actually a bit late with the news regarding BER.

Sorry about that - I did manage to access it without paying :ooh: - in any case not worth your money !

Could be - there seem to have a been a resurgence of posts on the topic recently. That being said I see very little information as of what is actually happening there.

October 2020 appears to have been announced on Friday, but this article doesn't take it very seriously. Flughafen Berlin-Brandenburg: Eröffnungstermin im Oktober 2020 - SPIEGEL ONLINE

And here's a perfectly serious article: Flughafen Berlin Brandenburg: BER soll im Oktober 2020 in Betrieb gehen | ZEIT ONLINE

From the Telegraph:

Whatever happened to German efficiency? Berlin's new airport is a contender for the world's most useless

Belief in German efficiency and technical supremecy is taking a bit of a battering at the moment.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...sea/ar-AAuAMwV

OK....The UK's record with airports and warships isn't much better but I guess everyone knows and agrees that.

Flew through SXF last week. Inbound, bus to a new-ish looking passport control and baggage claim. All with BER branding.

Outbound just as dreadful as always. Overcrowded and too hot, additional lanes of security opened in the EZY terminal, but still queuing longer than at MAN T1.

In terms of the new terminal, even 2020 is being doubted:
https://www.verkehrsrundschau.de/nachrichten/flughafen-berater-zweifelt-an-start-des-hauptstadtflughafens-2020-2142473.html

A LH employee has (perhaps flippantly) suggested it should be knocked down:
https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article174662258/Pannen-Flughafen-BER-Das-Ding-wird-abgerissen-und-neu-gebaut.html

Also from the same article, the passenger info screens installed prior to 2012 are due to be replaced as they’ve reached the end of their lifecycle.

This story is simply astounding.

Amazing example of German inefficiency.

When you thought you've seen it all...
.BER as a VW parking lot

Just passed by today - the usual sh*hole.

Noticed that they built another small "satellite" boarding building (gates 3x) and more and more shops (although still not a decent restaurant). Clearly, money is still being spent in the old DDR terminal.

What is happening with the new building - I don't see much work there over the years? surely they could have dismantled and rebuilt it twice since they discovered that it was not up to standards ?!

And they've gone and built the satellite building in such a position so as to lose use of one of the 3 decent boarding bridges. Never mind I suppose most the customer airlines now want boarding via forward and aft stairs, even though passengers may have to queue in the rain and snow.

I complained to the airport authority regarding the closure of the superb Movenpick restaurant on the first floor. I was informed the lease had been terminated as BER was due to open shortly. That was at least 5 years ago.
The culinary choice now comprises a burger bar or a hot dog stand. Brilliant !

SXF
 

According to the map at the link (sorry can't post links properly at the moment) below it will become T5.
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More news can be found here:
hxxp://roadmap.berlin-airport.de/category/en/30_news-en