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racedo 26th May 2013 13:48


It does however show that Ryanair's own claims are at best based on incomplete statistics. Ryanair's own claims are as much conjecture as this story is. The logical conclusion is that Ryanair are not necessarily to be believed and while BBC may not have proved that Ryanair are not the most punctual, Ryanair have certainly not conclusively proved that they are.
Then again a company that repeatedly has been proved to lie in court is hardly carrying much credibility when it comes to inconclusive stats.
You make claims of "repeatedly proved to lie in court"......................this means in laymans terms I believe that they have been found guilty of perjury and punished in a court of law.

Happy to see the records of the trials that have taken place where found guilty of perjury.

airadio 26th May 2013 14:23

HEAR HEAR:ok:

Hangar6 26th May 2013 15:08

Airlines view on punctuality
 
All airlines spin this punctuality issue

Sector times is the first spin they make take two city pairs , flying time say sixty minutes but publish 75 mins as the scheduled time thus increasing the on time performance ...

Who allowed airlines to decide ON TIME is upto 15 mins late !!!

No verifiable table of like for like on time performance exists

Airlines spin all results just as every other industry does so Fr are really
Only guilty of that annoying cockerel crow when they arrive on time but ten minutes after scheduled arrival time in their own schedule !!! ie under 15 minutes

Lets not even get started on on time landings and actual time any airline lets a
Passenger off the aircraft

All spin

MOL doesn't to my knowledge lie in court....he has been could guilty of

"The truth and MOL testimony are infrequent bedfellows"

Is that clear enough?

FR are no more guilty on this issue than any other carrier , it's just that tape they play ....

dublinaviator 26th May 2013 15:16


Originally Posted by racedo
Grounds for completely ignoring as EU law trancends national laws.

Attempt by UK to force 2 companies headquartered and registered in another country will be interesting, it allows any 3rd country to do the same to UK companies.

This will not be lost on UK companies who will then see German courts intervening in UK companies using UKs own precedence.

Completely agree 100% and I've made this point several times on this forum, but the UK competition authority were told by the UK courts that they have the jurisdiction to investigate Ryanair's shareholding so obviously that's why they've gone ahead with it. But as you say, even if they rule against Ryanair it won't stick as they'll just be overruled by the ECJ and rightly so.

It's the equivilant of Ireland attempting to block IAG's takeover of bmi because they happened to operate routes to Ireland.

Hangar6 26th May 2013 18:18

VIP news re FR
 
I believe it's very important that we are clear on he thing here

No one as ever accused FR of telling the truth , to do so would be
Defamatory

and we would not want to tread this path

Ducksie sorry racedo I apologize if anyone
Has ever done this.

Now lets agree all airlines spin punctuality stats equally

racedo 26th May 2013 19:06


I'm sure your efforts to spin this will be creative, but the judges words speak for themselves.
I was very clear in what I was asking.

The claim made is very clear "repeatedly proved to lie in court" are the words used.

As can be seen from what you posted this is NOTHING of the sort.

"The judge said that Mr O'Leary had misrepresented him in an 'offensive letter' he had written to Noel Dempsey. "
is NOT lying in court nor even close as since when does a letter go through court.

You have made something up and have nothing to back up the claim a single time much less repeatedly.

Hangar6 26th May 2013 19:21

Ah now racedo
 
Don't forget major shareholder had to send a personnel apology to Irish regulator
For mollies rant ?


Very embarising when your CEO once again and again
Has stepped out of line ?

Financial and publicity liability ? Yes.

racedo 26th May 2013 20:33


Good man racedo, despite the obvious negative affects to your blood pressure, your enthusiasm for the cause is touching. One hopes you're being properly compensated for working so hard of a Sunday night!
Looks like we'll agree to disagree, I've no doubt the general readership of this forum can work out what "misrepresentation" and uncomfortable bedfellows with the truth actually mean. Bonderman certainly understood what he heard, enough to apologise.
A claim was made in relation to being found guilty repeatedly of lying in court..............as you have been able to provide not a single shred of proof then perhaps its reflective on what you are posting not on anybody else.

Jack1985 26th May 2013 20:36

A much better account here Judge criticises Michael O'Leary for lying - RTÉ News

racedo 26th May 2013 20:39

Jack

That has been posted on here numerous times before.

Michael O'Leary is not Ryanair and Ryanair is not Michael O'Leary.

Sober Lark 26th May 2013 20:43

In that particular incident I thought the apology was made in the witness box and it was accepted.

Surely the on-time statistics relate to the whole network and not a particular route? Arrival performance being based on arrival at gate.

Jack1985 26th May 2013 20:43

O?Leary pledge to complete Ryanair?s world domination | Irish Examiner


Michael O’Leary, who built Ryanair into Europe’s biggest discount airline
In terms of management he is treated and treats his staff as if the company is fully his, after all he turned the airline from a fleet of six aircraft or so to now over 300. Shareholders have a complete opposite view, but just remember racedo anything O'Leary does which see's him on national news brings in Ryanair, horse-racing and even Yes to Lisbon in 2009 represented as Ryanair.

Hangar6 26th May 2013 20:44

CEO of a major Company lies ?
 
Could this be true a CEO in court just avoiding contempt for telling porkies !?


Surely not ?

Racedo please help us from being wrong ?

RAT 5 26th May 2013 20:55

Michael O'Leary is not Ryanair and Ryanair is not Michael O'Leary.

If you believe that..........oh there goes another pink elephant.

racedo 26th May 2013 21:01


In terms of management he is treated and treats his staff as if the company is fully his, after all he turned the airline from a fleet of six aircraft or so to now over 300. Shareholders have a complete opposite view, but just remember racedo anything O'Leary does which see's him on national news brings in Ryanair, horse-racing and even Yes to Lisbon in 2009 represented as Ryanair.
Er no

What he does in personal capacity is done as him and that includes support for NH racing
BBC Sport - JT McNamara: Jockey given 200,000 euros by Ryanair boss

Yes to Lisbon was a company do where he lent an aircraft with support of the board to Irish Govts desire for a positive vote on a referendum.
European Commission accused of breaching rules with Ryanair stunt - Telegraph

Jack1985 26th May 2013 21:24


Er no
Apologies mate, I don't work for the Ryanair do I? Sunday nights tho eh? Horrible hours.

racedo 26th May 2013 21:32


Apologies mate, I don't work for the Ryanair do I? Sunday nights tho eh? Horrible hours.
Neither do I so no worries about horrible hours.

Jack1985 26th May 2013 21:46

So why is that without fail, anytime anything anti-Ryanair becomes available on this forum or any other you spring up out of the blue? Because its precisely not out of the blue is it? Seriously mate your agenda is obvious. And If me and others are wrong, then why is it in your own view you take it upon yourself to chant out the usual nonsense about Ryanair and defend them to the ground, because If I didn't work for the company or wasn't on the payroll It wouldn't be in my interest to do so.

However I am certainly not anti-Ryanair, their custom is the reason I am employed. Love or hate them they do a service well, however at times both the CEO who I respect in aspects takes actions which are highly questionable with regards to defamatory statements to other business' and the company's own employees and also with describing a PR job recently taken up by an existing management employee as the worst in the world what exactly is he trying to achieve? Because Ryanair didn't receive anything near the person they need in that Job proposal, well outside existing management which says a lot.

racedo 27th May 2013 09:14

Jack

Always been clear that I am not employed by Ryanair but if you wish to make claims about people then feel free.

smith 27th May 2013 09:31

Jack

I don't think many pilots actually "work" for Ryanair. They "work" for some tin-pot agency, wholly owned by Ryanair and are termed as "self employed agency contractors" but with no freedom to do extraneous work.

This "self employment" stunt is being looked at by many government agencies throughout Europe to determine the legality of it. I think in fact Racedo is one of these "numpties" or "numb nuts" that MOL likes to call his staff. :)


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