MANCHESTER - 9
 

Interesting piece on another forum that the owners of Manchester in the 90s argued against expansion of Stansted as this would stop new airlines serving Manchester.

How times have changed with MAG now bidding for Stansted...how odd ?

As you say times have changed. In those days the low cost revolution was yet to happen, the BAA had a monopoly of all the London airports and many bilaterals with other countries said London - not Manchester or other regional airports. All this has now changed.

STN was being touted as the airport that would solve all London's capacity problems. MA feared that all intercontinental route expansion into the UK would be funneled in there if and when LHR and LGW got full.

BAA neglected STN eventually to concentrate on the cash cow that is LHR when they recognised the strength of opposition against any further expansion. (You could argue that the same applies to LGW having seen the way the new owners have re-vitalised it and attracted new airlines.)

Meanwhile Manchester Airport has morphed first into MAG operating a number of airports and has now evolved into M.A.G Airport Management and Services with the approval of the shareholding local councils.

Whether this means the Management Team will take the eye off the ball at MAN if they acquire STN remains to be seen. It certainly seemed to happen when EMA and BOH were acquired but the management team now are virtually all different.

Suzeman

Suzeman,all,

STN was propped up by BAA, no doubt from profits made at full fare airport LHR.

With that sort of money now going to dry up, I wonder what MAN sees in owning a mostly low cost airport. Business reports suggest it might cost the new owners over £1 billion to buy.:eek:

Low cost airports don't make much money, repeated attempts by full fare airlines to succeed at STN have mostly failed ,as business travellers just don't want to commute their it seems.:{

Will the cargo revenue at STN deliver enough cash to make MAN venture worth while ? :confused:

Nigel

brussels airlines W12 Manchester Operation Changes | Airline Route – Worldwide Airline Route Updates

Larger aircraft on one of the daily flights.

No doubt a response to FlyBe pulling off the route next month.

Easyjet on the increase 7 aircraft from March 2013 with promise of more
EasyJet to create 120 jobs as it steps up its presence at Manchester Airport | Manchester Evening News - menmedia.co.uk


Ian

Ryanair has announced a new route linking Manchester to Gdansk, twice weekly from Nov. 1st.

Heard they are starting Riga as well.

Preempting the rumoured Wizz announcement?

Riga is on sale also but the 4 weekly Paris BVA + W from BVA have being dropped.

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United
 

Does anyone know how MAN-IAD is doing? I remember reading before the route started that ticket sales were poor, then I read they had exceeded expectations and it was being upgraded and then I read it was being cut to x5 weekly during the winter. I was just curious as to how the route was faring.

Winter 2012/3 & IAD
 

Some more changes

American Airlines Jan/Feb 2013 Trans-Atlantic Routine Service Reductions | Airline Route – Worldwide Airline Route Updates

Slight reduction for MAN-ORD in the New Year

US Airways W12 Trans-Atlantic Operation Changes as of 29AUG12 | Airline Route – Worldwide Airline Route Updates

A few less seats on the US Air MAN-PHL

Ryanair Manchester - Dublin on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday in winter reduced to double daily in line with other UK - Dublin routes. Friday-Sunday 3 or 4 daily.

Washington

Bums on seats are not too bad - June 9197 pax & July 8537 per CAA. Yields, no idea.

Pete

MAN-MAD
 

The previously announced chop for MAN-MAD with Ryanair seems to be reversed.
Now appears bookable 4 x weekly until end of March 2013.

Assume the IB & EZY MADs remain cut.

Pete/Chinapattern
Re Washington just short of 150 per flight is pretty good, I am told fares have been quite high so presume doing OK

Ian

Anyone know how the BE MAN-NQY route is doing ?

It would be nice to see this service get back to daily, 4 weekly isn't great considering it previously was multiple rotations daily under SZ.


cs

Guessing easyJet's 8th based aircraft is on the cards - EDI's getting 2 more aircraft but creating fewer jobs than what easyJet said about the MAN expansion so they are probably just delaying news on this extra one!?

Apologies for cross posting, but saw this comment on another forum regarding EasyJet:

EZY
 

That list would seem to contradict Ms McCalls wish to attract more business pax. By & large it is leisure destination list.

For more business pax I'd of thought LGW, ABZ, VIE, ZRH, SVO & upped freq on AMS, SXF would / should be on the list.

Heard on this thread a couple of months ago that Zurich may be coming back.

Also read on the Edinburgh thread about te EasyJet expansion there too and I saw somebody posting about a MAN-EDI route.

Have just noticed on the MAN airport webiste that there is an Orbest due in from Ibiza early this morning. Does anyone know if this is a new route or just an AD-HOC charter?

Do you mean Iberworld (IWB) due at 02.05 Sunday morning ?

Orbest is officially the new name for Iberworld.

Thanks for that.

Re. Zurich with easyJet - here is an article from the Swiss newspaper "20 minutes", where Mrs McCall is openly critical of the high charges at Zurich. (In French I'm afraid.)

manairporspotter
 

There is a new thread to post all of your videos here:
http://www.pprune.org/spectators-bal...ml#post7365474

An interesting list.

Would there be enough volume to poach pax from BE's ABZ, given smaller aircraft? For leisure, would INV make more sense?

What is the rationale behind the 4 hour by land rule? Is this because U2 believe that such journeys are more sustainable by rail, or is it simply not worth competing on a convenience basis on these shorter sectors? I note FR have retreated from all overland routes in the British Isles, I presume because they weren't generating enough Hertz revenue and were annoyed at the APD double take?

I presume that by Mar 13, SXF will become BER, but would yields be good enough?

VIE from anywhere outside the M25 basin would be excellent news, long overdue - and SVO even more interesting!

Libyan started again
 

LA106 just arrived at MAN, same flight number as before troubles, so presume service has resumed ??

Yes service has returned but using Nouvleair aircraft

Jet2 have announced Paris x5 weekly Manchester to Paris with Jet2.com and Jet2holidays | Jet2.com

That's an extra weekly flight compared to this year.

August Passenger figure up
 

Manchester Airport : Traffic Statistics

Click on August

With transits 2,223,257 +1.68% rolling year 19,555,938 +4.61%

Domestic up over 4% and International schedule as well (over 10%) but the final figure dragged down by IT.

Movements were also slightly down.

Domestic pax are very good, no doubt helped by the flybe mini-hub.

Last post on this thread 4th September - :hmm:

Pete

That's a solid enough result given the circumstances. The heady double-digit growth seen in the Spring was never going to be sustained and it's a long haul back to 20 million but still achievable in this financial year. A winter beckons without headline grabbing new routes, but consolidation is not a mere consolation in these times. I expect that the August figures nationally, to be released by the CAA in a few days, will show Manchester's position is an enviable one. The attrition from charter to scheduled is still marked, this never seems to quite hit the bottom, surely it can't be much longer before we see that.

Cargo figures still needing to be viewed through the fingers, though.

Anyone want any old scanners?
 

Looks like this is all caught up in red tape!

And I wonder who will pay? New machines and 55 extra staff!

Manchester Airport chiefs forced to ditch

The article is bollocks. The body scanners are here to stay, indeed EDI just got one. Had a chat with a nice BAA security fellow at GLA recently, he showed me the stick figure they see, nothing more.
The specific issue at MAN is the type of waves used. It's not been cleared as there remain safety concerns about this specific type, whereas the ones being rolled out at other UK airports do not have this concern.

What MAN need to do, given all their US flights is fund a like for like replacement. Ouch, that's a hit!

easy jet
 

think servisair maybe doing easyjet come spring but it could be bullocks rummors again at ringway

It is not often I defend the MEN who do have a lot of articles full of bollocks but Skippy said

Whilst the article says

So to my tiny mind that means that there will be scanners - just different ones and from the description further down the article, probably the same type as those at GLA. I can't see anywhere where the article suggests body scanners in general will be withdrawn.

Suzeman

As ever, the headline is misleading.

BMIREGIONAL
 

BMI Regional
 

Probably the only new route ex MAN this winter

MTWTFSX 0700 MAN-ANTWERP 0920 / 0950 - MAN 1010
MTWTFXS 1650 MAN-ANTWERP 1910 / 1950 - MAN 2000

ERJ35 12 flights a week.
Seems rather late to announce a new route with less than 6 weeks notice & no publicity.
Looks like the Lyon service remains unchanged too