Airline routes have the iceland flights operated by an 319. So will the next aircraft being.based be a 319

RE : Air Canada at Manchester
 

Air Canada are forming a low cost division (a la Air Transat / Canadian Affair). They haven't announced any routes yet but have confirmed that there will be European destinations.

They plan on using 767's from the mainline, two for 2013 and then more to me moved over when their 787s arrive.

It will be more than welcome seeing as I'm from the midlands but live in Ottawa now!

Can I be the first to suggest a name for this new canadian
offshoot:

AirCanada ZOOM !!!

MM

There plan is to transfer for some European routes first and if they are only using 2 767's for 2013 then I can't see MAN starting as Dublin and Barcelona are operated daily and would imagine that could be all for 2013.

The decision was nothing to do with the train franchise as it was being worked on for some months before the announcement of the loss of the train franchise. It was sparked off by the fact bmi was taken over by BA and there would be no competition on LHR - MAN anymore. And Branson always likes the opportunity to take a pop at BA :)

Rumour has it that following the franchise debacle that Virgin have been offered an extension of 1-2 years for the rail franchise operating as a management contractor for the Dept for Transport whilst the franchise business is sorted out. So I think that means that DfT will set the parameters for fares, frequency etc and Virgin will operate the trains for a fee.

Suzeman

I think the last minute hokey cokey all over this suggests it became a priority when Virgin lost the trains franchise. They are clearly not unrelated, the left hand ought to have some idea what the right hand is doing.

Unless you are the late departed Abu Hamza.....

Re Virgin LHR/MAN
 

l was speaking to a senior guy in Air Canada at LHR who said they had approached VS regarding a domestic link to Manchester from Heathrow as soon as knew they would loose the Star Alliance link with BMI to connect with their flights in LHR. Apparently they estimate that 200+ pax per day from MAN connect in Heathrow on AC flights to Canada, and they wanted an alterative to British Airways MAN/LHR.

Surely IF 200 people a day fly AC from MAN via LHR, then they deserve a direct non stop flight to Canada.(?)
I certainly wouldn't entertain flying via LHR to access an Air Canada flight, but might consider AC if it was non stop.
In the meantime, it's Air Transat or KLM via AMS for me, depending on schedules.

I am sure its not 200 all going to the same Canadian destination, plus its 200 out of one of their LHR services

That may be true but a %age would be going to Toronto and a %age of the rest would maybe transit YYZ rather then LHR, add in people using other airlines/routes it would suggest a direct service could be viable.

Easyjet - New MAN routes showing on the easyjet mobile app: Antalya, Mykonos, Santorini and Venice.

Ivor

Disappointing if true, more Greek/Turkish bucket & spade routes. Venice already has over capacity from Monarch & Jet2. Vienna, Moscow and maybe even Seville would have been more interesting.

I have to disagree with you Mr A Tis. Mykonos is a route which has been served for a number of years from Manchester and with Thomson dropping the route next summer it provides an ideal opportunity for Easyjet to start a route which has proved popular for many years. It is not unusual to see fares on the Gatwick to Mykonos service at over £500 return per person and certainly this summer last minute flights on Thomson were not reduced to their normal price levels indicating 'possibly' a high usage service. Also both Mykonos and Santorini are not your traditional 'bucket and spade' destinations. A quick look at any hotel website will show a high percentage of the accommodation is high end and pricy meaning generally that customers are not afraid of spending a few bob to get to their destination. The flight times from London Gatwick do not permit easy transfers from the rest of the UK and most of the time mean an overnight stay. I applaud Easyjet for continuing to provide services which allows people from the midlands and north of the country to have access to routes which without it would mean a number of Greek islands, not just the islands the airport is on, would be much more difficult to access.

Mykonos & Santorini are good choices in my opinion. Antalya & Venice are already served by other carriers so might be a bit competetive but we shall see. Hopefully EasyJet will announec even more routes.

I hope Vienna will also come onto the Map. Hopefully someone like Austrian or Niki will start it soon.

North West today
 

Manchester Airport's propaganda machine/mouth piece namly North West Today/Tonight is at it again, christ I've just watched absolute ****e, an advert on the BBC for the Airport/Easyjet which lasted 50 odd seconds, christ it even showed a route map, and all this for eight flights a week, but nice see me licence money being used for adverts.

Ouch! it must of hurt

Ian

My point was that it was basically an advert, I think they did report Liverpool in the negative I while back which is par for the course for this Manchester based/biased shower when Ryanair reduced their fleet at LPL.Manchester is very lucky to have a giant mouth piece batting for them.

Someones jealous Ryanair/Easyjet have seen more potential at MAN which is a) a bigger airport and b) has a much bigger cachment area

Build a bridge and GET OVER IT thats life.

LPL has had great success with the amount of service they have had considering the proximity to MAN so i applaud for how well they have done but it was always gooing to be a matter of time before MAN swallowed its pride and bowed to the LCCs.

Regards

For some reason my previous post seems to have been deleted.

The point I was trying to get across, with a heavy dose of sarcasm I admit, was that whenever the BBC report a good news story about a city, town, business, tourist attraction, you name it, in the North West, it is not a deliberate swipe at another part of the region.

Whenever we have a good news story for aviation North West, we inevitably get cries of foul, not fair, favouritism and why not us?

Please stop this inward looking resentment. It ain't healthy and it reduces normally educated debate into bar side barracking and sniping.

Fact is, a new based aircraft anywhere in the region is GREAT news for the region, not just Manchester. Candidates for the jobs reported will be drawn from the ENTIRE region, and for that reason, the story was absoutely newsworthy.

I would understand your anger had the report mentioned the fact Easy were reducing by 2 frames at LPL, BUT THEY DIDN'T !. :ugh:

The fact your bitterness and antipathy towards anything Manchester permeates your posts on here, says more for you than for the reporting standards of the BBC.

Let's ALL embrace the fact SOMEONE is investing in the region.

It's all good. Let's move on and look forward positively.

How can the region AS A WHOLE move forward with its aviation strategy?

Regards

I recall a long running series 'Airline' which was a 30 minute advert (a good or bad one could be debated) each week for Easyjet and heavily featured Liverpool and the routes from there.But to complain about that would be churlish in the same way to complain about new services from the region because it isn't from the airport you wish it was, works both ways.

Agree absolutely.

The irony is, this stupid MAN/LPL spat is exclusively between anoraks and enthusiasts.

Some might be amazed to learn that, in 'the biz", relations between all the northwest airports are remarkably cordial.

Let's cut the rivalry crap and focus on aviation, eh?

jeez the sanctimonious patronising claptrap spouted in here gets worse by the day.

Airlines, Airports & Routes Topics about airports, routes and airline business.


i.e. there is a spotters forum elsewhere.

Ivor

According to Airline routes..Biman are to out of MAN and wont be returning.

Crikey wish theyd make up their mind after the second restart :sad:

BIMAN Bangladesh Airlines Oct – Dec 2012 Europe Operation Changes | Airline Route – Worldwide Airline Route Updates

Nigel

Stick to the topic. Winding up people is a fruitless and annoying pastime. The thread WILL be closed if the topic is ignored and gives way to personal agendas.

Mods

Northwest business news article this morning predicts Easyjet will expand
rapidly at Manchester
News**/**easyJet expecting further Manchester growth THEBUSINESSDESK.COM




NO-frills airline easyJet is expecting to continue its rapid recent growth at Manchester Airport, and is confident its switch to allocated seating will woo more business travellers.
UK commercial manager Ali Gayward told TheBusinessDesk.com that from next February its operations from Manchester - which it has served for just four years - will be on a par with Liverpool John Lennon, where it has had a base since 1997.
She said: "We always knew Manchester's potential, so the growth here does not surprise us at all. I am sure before much longer it will be bigger than Liverpool, but it is a bigger city and has a much larger catchment area, across to Yorkshire and down to Stafford, and of course corporate infrastructure.
"Manchester is the second-largest aviation market in the UK and there remains a huge opportunity for us here."

Manchester's growth would not come at the expense of Liverpool, she stressed: "We have just flown our 30 millionth passenger there, so it remains a strategically important airport for easyJet, which as the country's largest airline wants to grow its presence everywhere.

Ian

MAN-VCE from 14 February -2-4-6-
MAN-AYT from 26 March -2--5--
MAN-JMK from 20 April --3--6-
MAN-JTR from 15 May --3----

Quote: “The decision was nothing to do with the train franchise as it was being worked on for some months before the announcement of the loss of the train franchise. It was sparked off by the fact bmi was taken over by BA and there would be no competition on LHR - MAN anymore. And Branson always likes the opportunity to take a pop at BA”

Quote: “I think the last minute hokey cokey all over this suggests it became a priority when Virgin lost the trains franchise. They are clearly not unrelated, the left hand ought to have some idea what the right hand is doing.”

Probably linked to the fact that VS had leased out 3 slots pairs but has to use them to be eligible for the ABZ/EDI that BA has to lose, hence 3 daily LHR-MAN.

GLA next?

This was probably devised from the time that BA took over BD, and so pre-dates the event where Virgin Trains lost the franchise.

VS and Virgin Trains are also completely different organisations

Quote: “l was speaking to a senior guy in Air Canada at LHR who said they had approached VS regarding a domestic link to Manchester from Heathrow as soon as knew they would loose the Star Alliance link with BMI to connect with their flights in LHR. Apparently they estimate that 200+ pax per day from MAN connect in Heathrow on AC flights to Canada, and they wanted an alterative to British Airways MAN/LHR.“

Does this put VS one step closer to joining the Star Alliance?

How is EK doing? Any need for a possible 4th daily flight to be started next year or a 2nd daily A380?

EK
 

Seljuk22

No idea in respect of yields but load factor was around 79% for July & August but both were affected no doubt by Ramadan and it appears that August was a record.

September's figures are due out Monday.

August was still 61827 up 11% by far the best of the UK stations percentage wise. Looking back through libhomeradar, August saw 13 x 489 seat aircraft (per planespotters.net), 15 x 517 seat aircraft and three 77W's again assuming the data is accurate.

This has helped load factor and the same can be said for July with 9 x 487 seat A380 used. However EK have done this on a lot of their routes and they seem very flexible whether it is an A380 or two/three class 77W or two/three class A332.

The last 12 months per the CAA are as follows: -

August 61827
July 57691
June 51698
May 43590
April 54993
March 61528
February 57588
January 59468
December 55148
November 50612
October 52502
September 59853

The annual figure for 2011 was 637866 and for 2010 it was 565575 giving an increase of 13% per the CAA

Other UK airports for 2011 - LHR +6% (all airlines), BHX +1%, GLA +2%, NCL flat and LGW -2%.

In terms of "bums on seats" it seems Emirates is more than holding its own. I believe load factors were much higher when the service was twice daily, which is understandable and EK didn't suffer such an adverse percentage drop as Qatar when they increased to double daily. However Qatar's figures now that it is at 10 weekly look much stronger.

Pete

I think we need to look a little bit closer on Emirates at MAN. Emirates has been been growing below the international scheduled segment average, and has even shown two months with negative growth this summer. The graph below is based on the CAA statistics for the Emirates number and the basis for the international schduled numbers came from the monthly traffic reports on the MAN webpage.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/23931688/Gr...AN_2012-08.jpg

LN-KGL

Your year has 17 months ?......The 17 month Int sch figures are still above 10%....ie: trending upwards.

How are Emirates doing at Oslo - all good I hope!

MM

The graph is showing the 12 month figures for the last 17 months, and as you see Emirates has a lower year around growth compared with scheduled international flights from June this year (Emirates is performing worse than the average). Between May 2011 and May 2012 MAN and Emirates had an almost identical growth. The rolling year curves are perfect to show trends.

If you look at monthly changes you see how well or bad each month performed compared with the same month one year ago. Emirates had two really bad months this year - May and July - both with a decline compared with the same months one year ago.

Since we are talking about an airline from a Muslim country we always have to look out for the Ramadan period. This year's Ramadan lasted from 20 July to 18 August and last year from 1 August to 30 August. The Ramadan period you will inevitably fewer passengers and a boost at the Eid ul-Fitr that mark the end of Ramadan. You can see the result of this both this year and last year.

We are of the lucky few without Emirates, but Qatar is doing it quite well. ;)

I believe August were the highest pax loads they have ever had

Ian

Thanks for the stats! Just asking cause in a while ago I read EK would launch a fourth daily flight on 1st June 2013.
Meanwhile capacity increases took place at LHR, NCL, GLA and DUB.
Don't know if an additional flight is necesary, maybe later in 2013.

Manchester increased in summer when the A330 in morning was replaced with B773

Ian

LN-KGL

I never had you down as an airline snob but will have to
change my opinion I see - from your last sentence.
You'll have a go at Ryanair next.....

Success breeds jealousy breeds snobbery - as they say.

MM

First I'm anal and now I'm a snobb - what's next mickyman?

LN-KGL pls tell us was is the matter with EK and we have QR and EY also so
no problem (well there is because EY has returned to Abu Dhabi with no arrival time showing at all)

Chaps

LN-KGL

Nothing is next - I enjoy your analysis (is this where you get anal from?)
and your reality check stats are always reliably fun.

MM