EXETER
 

I see no commercial movements today at all so far....

Time Date Flight To Status
0650 16AUG10 BE211 EDINBURGH DELAY : NEXT INFO 1200
0700 16AUG10 BE371 MANCHESTER DELAY : NEXT INFO 1200
0710 16AUG10 BE301 GUERNSEY / JERSEY DELAY : NEXT INFO 1200
0720 16AUG10 BE705 NEWCASTLE / HANNOVER DELAY : NEXT INFO 1200
1005 16AUG10 BE1425 MALAGA DELAY : NEXT INFO 1200
1020 16AUG10 BE303 DUBLIN DELAY : NEXT INFO 1200
1040 16AUG10 BE1525 RENNES DELAY : NEXT INFO 1200
1130 16AUG10 BE1503 PARIS DELAY : NEXT INFO 1200
1225 16AUG10 BE532 GLASGOW DELAY : NEXT INFO 1200

NOTAM'd CAT 3 fire cover since first thing and until 1700z at the moment apparently due to a u/s fire appliance? Happens to the best but surely a loan machine off the council would suffice or is it down to training and different SOP's for the fire service....must be chaos?

i cant see why some of these BE services cant operate ex NQY until the vehicle or vehicles are fixed?

obviously no point with the domestics but surely with the:
GUERNSEY / JERSEY, HANNOVER, MALAGA,DUBLIN ,RENNES & PARIS

couldnt aircraft be positioned into NQY or BRS from somewhere else in the network if they arent able to lift at all from EXT, would save the customers lots of hassle!
cs

TOM late afternoon flight to Bodrum operated from Bristol according to the Exeter Airport web departures page. BRS arrivals also show a mid afternoon TOM inbound from Funchal, presumably diverted from EXT and the aircraft for Bodrum.

Local ITV teatime news carried a short account of Exeter's woes and interviewed some passengers who had been brought from Exeter to Bristol by coach but it broke down en route, adding considerable time to the journey north along the M5/A38 - hope they didn't buy a lottery ticket today.

Their intended flight wasn't mentioned so far as I recall but no doubt it was the Bodrum.

Why couldn't the aircraft have gone to BRS and NQY and then pax sent via road to meet the aircraft there. The 195 went out crew only, as did some of the Dash's. The bus to BRS which broke down was for the BE AGP pax. BE wise only the AGP and RNS were operated from other airports, the TOM Bodrum went from BRS and everything else was cancelled.

As WingoWango says the airport is a joke, I'll be interested to see if this makes any difference to the managements attitude...doubt it.

Only the proper regional airports like Exeter have to put international in the title so people know!!
Ever heard of heathrow/gatwick international ???

How do you propose the aircraft themselves get from EXT to BRS/NQY to operate the flight if no movements are allowed out of Exeter International?

It was only downgraded to Fire Cat 3, as I said the 195 and several of the Q400's did get out of Exeter, flight crew only though. Not sure where they went as I'd left by that time...

FL370 Officeboy

I see the logic in your name

You are obvioulsy not a Pilot and cannot read other threads

Any A/C can depart from an un licensed Airport under the Private Catergory i e No Pax Crew only as long as the company has insurance cover to operate from an un licensed Airport


Fly Be did as was stated postioned A/c out to other Airports to operate certain flights However Crews do have Duty Hour Regulations to comply with.


If all the crews for the first departures 0700 onwards reported on time which I am sure they did they propably did not have sufficent time to fly to say Bristol wait for the pax and fly to ???? andthen return to Bristol

CAP 360 tells all but I am sure you dont have or have knowledge of this document

Airlines dont cancel flight willy nilly they have a reputaion to live u to

Stop Knocking everthing that goes wrong its Life

:D:sad::oh:

learjet50

Leave the lad alone, if you knew anything about aviation you'd know CAP360 doesn't exist any more.

The documents you want are CAP 768 and JAR-OPS Subp P (Where the old CAP360 is covered) :ok:

Thanks Coffin, just to defend a friend also...

Even CAP 768 has now been superseded by CAP 789 and the FTL limits found in CAP 371 are as follows:

Table A Two or more flight crew - Acclimatised
Local time of start Sectors
__________1 __2___ 3___ 4__ 5_ 6___ 7__ 8 or more
0600-0759 13_ 12¼ 11½ 10¾ 10 9½ _9 __9
0800-1259 14 _13¼ 12½ 11¾ 11 10½ 10_ 9½
1300-1759 13 _12¼ 11½ 10¾ 10_ 9½_ 9 __9
1800-2159 12 _11¼ 10½ _9¾_9 __9___9 __9
2200-0559 11 _10¼_ 9½_ 9__ 9__ 9___ 9 __9

Just to counter the above argument; for example the Exeter-Edinburgh-Exeter-Rennes-Exeter flights could have be covered by a single crew 0550-0720/0745-0915/0940-1040/1105-1200

I am assuming a local report of 0605 (45 mins being the minimum and avoiding the issues with consecutive earlies and following days off etc.) so what would be a 4 sector day would have a max flight duty of 10¾. Extending this by one sector (the taxi back from Bristol would not count) only reduces this by 45 mins.
Therefore theoretically it would have been possible to do a positioning sector and rely on bus transport to either BRS/NQY (not a stupid suggestion). The transfer times are roughly 1.5 hours from check in to ramp and once the flight had left with the original delay the pax would then be bussed at close of check in each time and arrive at approximately the same time.

This relies on communication from the airport to the operator that the airport is going to be closed all day for the appropriate plans to be put in place. I know ASW did very well during the closure of NQY but this took months of planning. There are many reasons why Flybe could not have arranged the above and I am not arguing that they should have, with 3 hours spare on the above duty (including the extra sector)(excluding commander's discretion)(excluding the possibility of splitting multi-sector duties and using STBY crews) my comments are towards anyone being Fu**ing patronising on here.

I am sure it was a very frustrating experience for everyone involved and lessons will have been learned by all.

C

Can any of the locals give me an idea how much a taxi/cab from Exeter St. Davids railway station to the airport is? Was surprised to find out that the bus operates rather infrequently on weekday afternoons.....

The shortest route is around 6 miles, he quickest route is 12 miles.
This may sound a bit odd but the quickest route is all via A roads and part of the motorway, the shortest is in a straight line via the city roads, there's about two minutes difference.

Either way at current rates it would cost you about £25 one way (as quoted by a major Exeter taxi firm).

Working in Exeter I find £25 excessive - I think the taxi's would be cheaper as the journey takes about 20-25 minutes in good traffic when going through the city. Unless this is about average price for a journey of this length it has been a while since I used the taxi myself so I may be out of touch!!!

Failing that you could always get the bus to either the Holiday Inn or Park & Ride and taxi it from there. I am certain that would save a few quid as it is only a few minutes from the airport!

20-25 GBP is what "limo"-services tend to quote you, so my belief was that a regular taxi from the taxi rank would be somewhat cheaper.

Capital Cars (cheapest operators I've found in Exeter) will do it for about £18. They've an office near St David's, but AREN'T the cars parked immediately outside the station.

The excuse I've been given for it being so expensive is "we have to drive all the way to the airport, then all the way back into town again". Crazy.

No, it isn't crazy and it's no different from asking any other transport operator of any sort to make a one way journey, if they have no guarantee of a return fare they have to charge you for the round trip otherwise it wouldn't be economically viable.

Niknak, we'll agree to disagree.

Surely the VAST majority of taxi journeys are one way? Furthermore, many are not allowed to randomly pick people up off the street.

I can get a taxi from the centre of Derry in Northern Ireland to Derry Airport, about the same distance as St David's to Exeter airport, 7 miles or so, for about £13. Fuel costs in Northern Ireland are MUCH higher than in England, as is insurance, so the excuse given by the fine taxi drivers of Exeter doesn't rub I'm afraid, and nowhere else have I heard such an excuse.

For comparison, a taxi from Bristol airport to Temple Meads recently cost me £28, only a few quid more than the trip to Exeter airport. Despite the driver not ending up in the middle of nowhere (as is argued by Exeter taxi drivers), he was not allowed to pick-up a fare at the train station.

Passenger Growth
 

There was a piece in the main Exeter newspaper today concerning EXT's improved charter performance in recent months.

However, what struck me was the assertion by the airport MD that the airport could return to 1 mppa by 2012 and reach 1.5 to 1.9 mppa by 2015.

Bearing in mind that that the airport has seen a significant fall in passenger numbers over the past three years from just above 1 mppa (its best ever) to the current sub 750,000, to achieve the MD's projections would involve some truly spectacular growth.

Passenger numbers would have to increase by over 30% in two years to reach 1 mppa and between 100 and 150-plus% to rise to 1.5-1.9 mppa in something over four years.

Either Flybe is planning a huge expansion from EXT or another substantial player or players is/are coming OR of course it might an airport manager trying to get some local positive publicity for his airport after a disappointing period.

Any rumours or thoughts from anyone?

summer2011
 

Does anyone have a list of the S11 charter movements (a/c, day, destination etc)?

With the exception of the weekly DUS I cannot see any more new routes from Flybe so will be down to the tour ops and IT flights. With ECA out the picture what will happen with the Sunday LCA and could we see it actually operate on time this year?? ;)

New name for Exeter?
 

I spotted this in the Plymouth Evening Herald. A contributor is suggesting Exeter could rebrand to be more inclusive of Plymouth (as it's airport sadly seems to be sliding into oblivion). Could we see Exeter Plymouth Airport or Devon International?

If anyone does agree to either of those names they need to reconsider their position in marketing :ok: I think if anything the airport should retain its simple Exeter name but its slogan could be changed.

At the moment I believe its "Flying you further from closer to home". This could be tweeked slightly to simply "flying you further from the heart of Devon" or "Southwest".

IMHO I dont think a name change will make much difference to the airports status. I think traffic in and out of the Westcountry is good in the summer but not excellent and it dies off terribly in the winter - Flybe cut back their operation a lot last winter 2010/11. How the airport will get more passengers flying out I dont know but I guess a lot of it is to do with the airlines as well and the timings they offer for flights.

And neither will a slogan.


Like all regional airports.

TSR, if you cant add something useful or constructive rather than pick apart other posts please do not bother at all.

There is a post in the BOH forum that suggests easyJet is to create a 3-aircraft base at EXT.

On the face of things it seems highly unlikely and we've been there before - see link.

http://www.pprune.org/airlines-airpo...-base-ext.html

However, my post in this forum of 10 December 2010 (#21) pointed out that the EXT MD was forecasting 1 mppa by 2012 and up to 1.9 mppa by 2015 so is there more to this than an unsubstantiated rumour?

I very much doubt that Easy jet will create a base at EXT, for a start there's NO stand space available to park an additional 3 aircraft on nightstop's as all the stand's are taken with either Flybe a/c, Thompson(Air2000), plus 2 737's that operate on behalf of the Royal Mail.

Hmm that is interesting, I wouldn't rule it out especially considering some of their other moves. It could be a little hit at BE again as they did on the IOM and JER routes.

How many stands are there at Exeter? Currently there is 1 mail a/c that to my knowledge is flying at night so parked up during the day. There are between 3 and 4 nightstoppers from BE and the 1 TOM. I am sure that the airport would find space for a potential new carrier, maybe by moving the mail a/c over to where engine testing takes place (sometimes it is parked there anyway)

There was a time when not only did we have the TOM, but 3 Q400s and 2 Embraers so there must be some room?

TSR 2.....agreed!

Nothing so painful as the truth!

Exeter Airport has joined the growing ranks of regional airports that charge for dropping off passengers at the terminal , from today it will cost 1 pound or walk from car park 4 where you have 10 min grace

Thomson have cancelled the Antalya programme for next summer and replaced it with a another Palma series instead

I dont understand why airports have started to charge drop-off/pick up fees. They are a disgrace to customer service, as if the customer hasn't paid enough to fly in the first place. Cardiff has done the same, also now charging a non-returnable £1 for trolleys !

Just to put it into perspective lets take BOH, where they charge a frankly ridicules £2.50 for drop offs. If you look on Skytrax before the charge was introduced the reviews were typically averaging 3-4 stars with a few at either extreme. However EVERY review after the charge is introduced is either 1 or 2 stars, and they all mention the charge as being stupid, unnecessary and a deterrent to passengers. All these charges do is put off and anger passengers, resulting in fewer of them choosing to travel from the airports which charge for drop off fees even if they are nearest to them. This reduces the revenue further, making the whole idea of the extra charge pointless.

Thomson have also cancelled Madeira and Enfihda with effect from W11

Looks like Thomas Cook have cancelled there Turkey programme for next summer as bookings been on hold for a little while now and according to local agents at Thomas Cook they are having a major cull of smaller airports that duplicate there flights ie . Bournemouth , Doncaster and Humberside have all had flights cut

Palma remains bookable on a Saturday

These cancellations are not good, and I hope they are replaced by something else.

Exeter becomes a ghost town in the winter so its important that the summer programme remains reasonably busy. It is interesting that these routes/operators are reasonably new with the exception of madeira which has operated for years. I would be interested to know why the sudden stop, passenger numbers cannot be that low can they??

Exeter charges seem to be rather high and a passenger can save in the region of £200 by flying from Bristol or further afield. Maybe this is the problem

Ryan International
 

Does anyone know what the Ryan International Airways flights are later today (Sun) 0900 Gander and 1200 Reykjavik Iceland?

Also, who are OAI? Is it Tor Air - I notice whoever it is they are operating some special charters this week

Noticed an A330 on approach the other day, assume a Military flight?

OAI may be Omni Air International, along with Ryan International Airways are often seen on the US Army troop rotation flights. They probably do other charter work as well.

From wiki

A monarch A300 was there recently,and to the ops guy who was taking photos as it taxied in can he please pm me.
OAI I believe is Torair but I have heard it used by a Balkan holidays A320.

OAI is Small World Airlines,being operated by TOR Air into BOH,........chris

So it seems Tor Air are still operating some one off charters using a leased Balkan A320.

Today there are three flights from Las Vegas showing on the arrival boards - any idea as to what these are for as I have never known any troop flights coming in from this part of the world.

0600 5K672 Las Vegas Landed 0648
1430 NAO038 Las Vegas Expected 1615
1530 XLF901M Las Vegas Estimated 1730

the paras are out in mojave training. might have something to do with it.

French routes
 

flyBe to Start 3 New French Routes from Exeter in S12 | Airline Route


The airport has them as new routes and they are March April starts so
not bad really.

Airport News – Exeter International Airport

Pete