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I see no commercial movements today at all so far....
Time Date Flight To Status
0650 16AUG10 BE211 EDINBURGH DELAY : NEXT INFO 1200
0700 16AUG10 BE371 MANCHESTER DELAY : NEXT INFO 1200
0710 16AUG10 BE301 GUERNSEY / JERSEY DELAY : NEXT INFO 1200
0720 16AUG10 BE705 NEWCASTLE / HANNOVER DELAY : NEXT INFO 1200
1005 16AUG10 BE1425 MALAGA DELAY : NEXT INFO 1200
1020 16AUG10 BE303 DUBLIN DELAY : NEXT INFO 1200
1040 16AUG10 BE1525 RENNES DELAY : NEXT INFO 1200
1130 16AUG10 BE1503 PARIS DELAY : NEXT INFO 1200
1225 16AUG10 BE532 GLASGOW DELAY : NEXT INFO 1200
NOTAM'd CAT 3 fire cover since first thing and until 1700z at the moment apparently due to a u/s fire appliance? Happens to the best but surely a loan machine off the council would suffice or is it down to training and different SOP's for the fire service....must be chaos?
Time Date Flight To Status
0650 16AUG10 BE211 EDINBURGH DELAY : NEXT INFO 1200
0700 16AUG10 BE371 MANCHESTER DELAY : NEXT INFO 1200
0710 16AUG10 BE301 GUERNSEY / JERSEY DELAY : NEXT INFO 1200
0720 16AUG10 BE705 NEWCASTLE / HANNOVER DELAY : NEXT INFO 1200
1005 16AUG10 BE1425 MALAGA DELAY : NEXT INFO 1200
1020 16AUG10 BE303 DUBLIN DELAY : NEXT INFO 1200
1040 16AUG10 BE1525 RENNES DELAY : NEXT INFO 1200
1130 16AUG10 BE1503 PARIS DELAY : NEXT INFO 1200
1225 16AUG10 BE532 GLASGOW DELAY : NEXT INFO 1200
NOTAM'd CAT 3 fire cover since first thing and until 1700z at the moment apparently due to a u/s fire appliance? Happens to the best but surely a loan machine off the council would suffice or is it down to training and different SOP's for the fire service....must be chaos?
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i cant see why some of these BE services cant operate ex NQY until the vehicle or vehicles are fixed?
obviously no point with the domestics but surely with the:
GUERNSEY / JERSEY, HANNOVER, MALAGA,DUBLIN ,RENNES & PARIS
couldnt aircraft be positioned into NQY or BRS from somewhere else in the network if they arent able to lift at all from EXT, would save the customers lots of hassle!
cs
obviously no point with the domestics but surely with the:
GUERNSEY / JERSEY, HANNOVER, MALAGA,DUBLIN ,RENNES & PARIS
couldnt aircraft be positioned into NQY or BRS from somewhere else in the network if they arent able to lift at all from EXT, would save the customers lots of hassle!
cs
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TOM late afternoon flight to Bodrum operated from Bristol according to the Exeter Airport web departures page. BRS arrivals also show a mid afternoon TOM inbound from Funchal, presumably diverted from EXT and the aircraft for Bodrum.
Local ITV teatime news carried a short account of Exeter's woes and interviewed some passengers who had been brought from Exeter to Bristol by coach but it broke down en route, adding considerable time to the journey north along the M5/A38 - hope they didn't buy a lottery ticket today.
Their intended flight wasn't mentioned so far as I recall but no doubt it was the Bodrum.
Local ITV teatime news carried a short account of Exeter's woes and interviewed some passengers who had been brought from Exeter to Bristol by coach but it broke down en route, adding considerable time to the journey north along the M5/A38 - hope they didn't buy a lottery ticket today.
Their intended flight wasn't mentioned so far as I recall but no doubt it was the Bodrum.
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Why couldn't the aircraft have gone to BRS and NQY and then pax sent via road to meet the aircraft there. The 195 went out crew only, as did some of the Dash's. The bus to BRS which broke down was for the BE AGP pax. BE wise only the AGP and RNS were operated from other airports, the TOM Bodrum went from BRS and everything else was cancelled.
As WingoWango says the airport is a joke, I'll be interested to see if this makes any difference to the managements attitude...doubt it.
As WingoWango says the airport is a joke, I'll be interested to see if this makes any difference to the managements attitude...doubt it.
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Why couldn't the aircraft have gone to BRS and NQY and then pax sent via road to meet the aircraft there.
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It was only downgraded to Fire Cat 3, as I said the 195 and several of the Q400's did get out of Exeter, flight crew only though. Not sure where they went as I'd left by that time...
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FL370 Officeboy
I see the logic in your name
You are obvioulsy not a Pilot and cannot read other threads
Any A/C can depart from an un licensed Airport under the Private Catergory i e No Pax Crew only as long as the company has insurance cover to operate from an un licensed Airport
Fly Be did as was stated postioned A/c out to other Airports to operate certain flights However Crews do have Duty Hour Regulations to comply with.
If all the crews for the first departures 0700 onwards reported on time which I am sure they did they propably did not have sufficent time to fly to say Bristol wait for the pax and fly to ???? andthen return to Bristol
CAP 360 tells all but I am sure you dont have or have knowledge of this document
Airlines dont cancel flight willy nilly they have a reputaion to live u to
Stop Knocking everthing that goes wrong its Life
I see the logic in your name
You are obvioulsy not a Pilot and cannot read other threads
Any A/C can depart from an un licensed Airport under the Private Catergory i e No Pax Crew only as long as the company has insurance cover to operate from an un licensed Airport
Fly Be did as was stated postioned A/c out to other Airports to operate certain flights However Crews do have Duty Hour Regulations to comply with.
If all the crews for the first departures 0700 onwards reported on time which I am sure they did they propably did not have sufficent time to fly to say Bristol wait for the pax and fly to ???? andthen return to Bristol
CAP 360 tells all but I am sure you dont have or have knowledge of this document
Airlines dont cancel flight willy nilly they have a reputaion to live u to
Stop Knocking everthing that goes wrong its Life
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Leave the lad alone, if you knew anything about aviation you'd know CAP360 doesn't exist any more.
The documents you want are CAP 768 and JAR-OPS Subp P (Where the old CAP360 is covered)
Leave the lad alone, if you knew anything about aviation you'd know CAP360 doesn't exist any more.
The documents you want are CAP 768 and JAR-OPS Subp P (Where the old CAP360 is covered)
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Thanks Coffin, just to defend a friend also...
Even CAP 768 has now been superseded by CAP 789 and the FTL limits found in CAP 371 are as follows:
Table A Two or more flight crew - Acclimatised
Local time of start Sectors
__________1 __2___ 3___ 4__ 5_ 6___ 7__ 8 or more
0600-0759 13_ 12¼ 11½ 10¾ 10 9½ _9 __9
0800-1259 14 _13¼ 12½ 11¾ 11 10½ 10_ 9½
1300-1759 13 _12¼ 11½ 10¾ 10_ 9½_ 9 __9
1800-2159 12 _11¼ 10½ _9¾_9 __9___9 __9
2200-0559 11 _10¼_ 9½_ 9__ 9__ 9___ 9 __9
Just to counter the above argument; for example the Exeter-Edinburgh-Exeter-Rennes-Exeter flights could have be covered by a single crew 0550-0720/0745-0915/0940-1040/1105-1200
I am assuming a local report of 0605 (45 mins being the minimum and avoiding the issues with consecutive earlies and following days off etc.) so what would be a 4 sector day would have a max flight duty of 10¾. Extending this by one sector (the taxi back from Bristol would not count) only reduces this by 45 mins.
Therefore theoretically it would have been possible to do a positioning sector and rely on bus transport to either BRS/NQY (not a stupid suggestion). The transfer times are roughly 1.5 hours from check in to ramp and once the flight had left with the original delay the pax would then be bussed at close of check in each time and arrive at approximately the same time.
This relies on communication from the airport to the operator that the airport is going to be closed all day for the appropriate plans to be put in place. I know ASW did very well during the closure of NQY but this took months of planning. There are many reasons why Flybe could not have arranged the above and I am not arguing that they should have, with 3 hours spare on the above duty (including the extra sector)(excluding commander's discretion)(excluding the possibility of splitting multi-sector duties and using STBY crews) my comments are towards anyone being Fu**ing patronising on here.
I am sure it was a very frustrating experience for everyone involved and lessons will have been learned by all.
C
Even CAP 768 has now been superseded by CAP 789 and the FTL limits found in CAP 371 are as follows:
Table A Two or more flight crew - Acclimatised
Local time of start Sectors
__________1 __2___ 3___ 4__ 5_ 6___ 7__ 8 or more
0600-0759 13_ 12¼ 11½ 10¾ 10 9½ _9 __9
0800-1259 14 _13¼ 12½ 11¾ 11 10½ 10_ 9½
1300-1759 13 _12¼ 11½ 10¾ 10_ 9½_ 9 __9
1800-2159 12 _11¼ 10½ _9¾_9 __9___9 __9
2200-0559 11 _10¼_ 9½_ 9__ 9__ 9___ 9 __9
Just to counter the above argument; for example the Exeter-Edinburgh-Exeter-Rennes-Exeter flights could have be covered by a single crew 0550-0720/0745-0915/0940-1040/1105-1200
I am assuming a local report of 0605 (45 mins being the minimum and avoiding the issues with consecutive earlies and following days off etc.) so what would be a 4 sector day would have a max flight duty of 10¾. Extending this by one sector (the taxi back from Bristol would not count) only reduces this by 45 mins.
Therefore theoretically it would have been possible to do a positioning sector and rely on bus transport to either BRS/NQY (not a stupid suggestion). The transfer times are roughly 1.5 hours from check in to ramp and once the flight had left with the original delay the pax would then be bussed at close of check in each time and arrive at approximately the same time.
This relies on communication from the airport to the operator that the airport is going to be closed all day for the appropriate plans to be put in place. I know ASW did very well during the closure of NQY but this took months of planning. There are many reasons why Flybe could not have arranged the above and I am not arguing that they should have, with 3 hours spare on the above duty (including the extra sector)(excluding commander's discretion)(excluding the possibility of splitting multi-sector duties and using STBY crews) my comments are towards anyone being Fu**ing patronising on here.
I am sure it was a very frustrating experience for everyone involved and lessons will have been learned by all.
C
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Can any of the locals give me an idea how much a taxi/cab from Exeter St. Davids railway station to the airport is? Was surprised to find out that the bus operates rather infrequently on weekday afternoons.....
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The shortest route is around 6 miles, he quickest route is 12 miles.
This may sound a bit odd but the quickest route is all via A roads and part of the motorway, the shortest is in a straight line via the city roads, there's about two minutes difference.
Either way at current rates it would cost you about £25 one way (as quoted by a major Exeter taxi firm).
This may sound a bit odd but the quickest route is all via A roads and part of the motorway, the shortest is in a straight line via the city roads, there's about two minutes difference.
Either way at current rates it would cost you about £25 one way (as quoted by a major Exeter taxi firm).
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Working in Exeter I find £25 excessive - I think the taxi's would be cheaper as the journey takes about 20-25 minutes in good traffic when going through the city. Unless this is about average price for a journey of this length it has been a while since I used the taxi myself so I may be out of touch!!!
Failing that you could always get the bus to either the Holiday Inn or Park & Ride and taxi it from there. I am certain that would save a few quid as it is only a few minutes from the airport!
Failing that you could always get the bus to either the Holiday Inn or Park & Ride and taxi it from there. I am certain that would save a few quid as it is only a few minutes from the airport!
Capital Cars (cheapest operators I've found in Exeter) will do it for about £18. They've an office near St David's, but AREN'T the cars parked immediately outside the station.
The excuse I've been given for it being so expensive is "we have to drive all the way to the airport, then all the way back into town again". Crazy.
The excuse I've been given for it being so expensive is "we have to drive all the way to the airport, then all the way back into town again". Crazy.
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The excuse I've been given for it being so expensive is "we have to drive all the way to the airport, then all the way back into town again". Crazy.
Niknak, we'll agree to disagree.
Surely the VAST majority of taxi journeys are one way? Furthermore, many are not allowed to randomly pick people up off the street.
I can get a taxi from the centre of Derry in Northern Ireland to Derry Airport, about the same distance as St David's to Exeter airport, 7 miles or so, for about £13. Fuel costs in Northern Ireland are MUCH higher than in England, as is insurance, so the excuse given by the fine taxi drivers of Exeter doesn't rub I'm afraid, and nowhere else have I heard such an excuse.
For comparison, a taxi from Bristol airport to Temple Meads recently cost me £28, only a few quid more than the trip to Exeter airport. Despite the driver not ending up in the middle of nowhere (as is argued by Exeter taxi drivers), he was not allowed to pick-up a fare at the train station.
No, it isn't crazy and it's no different from asking any other transport operator of any sort to make a one way journey
I can get a taxi from the centre of Derry in Northern Ireland to Derry Airport, about the same distance as St David's to Exeter airport, 7 miles or so, for about £13. Fuel costs in Northern Ireland are MUCH higher than in England, as is insurance, so the excuse given by the fine taxi drivers of Exeter doesn't rub I'm afraid, and nowhere else have I heard such an excuse.
For comparison, a taxi from Bristol airport to Temple Meads recently cost me £28, only a few quid more than the trip to Exeter airport. Despite the driver not ending up in the middle of nowhere (as is argued by Exeter taxi drivers), he was not allowed to pick-up a fare at the train station.
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Passenger Growth
There was a piece in the main Exeter newspaper today concerning EXT's improved charter performance in recent months.
However, what struck me was the assertion by the airport MD that the airport could return to 1 mppa by 2012 and reach 1.5 to 1.9 mppa by 2015.
Bearing in mind that that the airport has seen a significant fall in passenger numbers over the past three years from just above 1 mppa (its best ever) to the current sub 750,000, to achieve the MD's projections would involve some truly spectacular growth.
Passenger numbers would have to increase by over 30% in two years to reach 1 mppa and between 100 and 150-plus% to rise to 1.5-1.9 mppa in something over four years.
Either Flybe is planning a huge expansion from EXT or another substantial player or players is/are coming OR of course it might an airport manager trying to get some local positive publicity for his airport after a disappointing period.
Any rumours or thoughts from anyone?
However, what struck me was the assertion by the airport MD that the airport could return to 1 mppa by 2012 and reach 1.5 to 1.9 mppa by 2015.
Bearing in mind that that the airport has seen a significant fall in passenger numbers over the past three years from just above 1 mppa (its best ever) to the current sub 750,000, to achieve the MD's projections would involve some truly spectacular growth.
Passenger numbers would have to increase by over 30% in two years to reach 1 mppa and between 100 and 150-plus% to rise to 1.5-1.9 mppa in something over four years.
Either Flybe is planning a huge expansion from EXT or another substantial player or players is/are coming OR of course it might an airport manager trying to get some local positive publicity for his airport after a disappointing period.
Any rumours or thoughts from anyone?
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Does anyone have a list of the S11 charter movements (a/c, day, destination etc)?
With the exception of the weekly DUS I cannot see any more new routes from Flybe so will be down to the tour ops and IT flights. With ECA out the picture what will happen with the Sunday LCA and could we see it actually operate on time this year??
With the exception of the weekly DUS I cannot see any more new routes from Flybe so will be down to the tour ops and IT flights. With ECA out the picture what will happen with the Sunday LCA and could we see it actually operate on time this year??
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New name for Exeter?
I spotted this in the Plymouth Evening Herald. A contributor is suggesting Exeter could rebrand to be more inclusive of Plymouth (as it's airport sadly seems to be sliding into oblivion). Could we see Exeter Plymouth Airport or Devon International?