Mr Mac,

EK changes for 2012

EK21/22 changes from A332 to B77w on 1st June

EK19/20 changes to 3 class B77W on 1st Sept.

Emirates website will confirm these changes if you make a dummy booking.

Are Ryanair going to base a 5 aircraft at MAN next summer? Had a look and on Mondays and Fridays a MAN aircraft departs fro BVA at 6.20 and returns to MAN at 3.25. There MAN schedule was full a few weeks so are they going to move things or base another unit.

It will be a "W" flight from MAN 06:25- BVA 08:35 then BVA 09:00 -VNO 12:30 and VNO 12:55- BVA 14:35 and then BVA 15:05 (14:05 UTC) -MAN 15:25.

Only 3 other early dept and 4 late arrivals that night too so 4 based A/C in MAN,Although there has been a delay on announcing it for sure.Ryanair had not finalized the number of a/c until recently I believe.

Thanks for that, VLC has being moved to VLC based aircraft to make way for the above changes.

Mr Mac, been there and done that as well. Was just trying to say that the GERMANS have more than small issues when it comes to getting passengers off aircraft. We at Manchester on the whole do OK, just a shame the diversions as a SLF you have to make to get "on the right side" for arrivals.

Pier Development:
Manchester Airport Terminal 1 Development | Aedas | Architecture | Transport | Manchester, UK

and it was supposed to be lower levels in the post i sent last week. I am a nutter it was just a typo error

Routes
 

From LH thread

4U (Germanwings) will fly STR-LHR (3 daily) from 20th February and STR-MAN (5 weekly) from 29th July. Taking over from LH.

Also not directly MAN news but may have implications on KLM flights (more perhaps) LPL is loosing its AMS KLM link in March 2012.

The news today from Liverpool and Teesside is perhaps an indication of the industry waking up to economic reality after a decade of madness. The North of England has been on a circular journey looking for what it always had. An international airport - at Manchester. Lo-cos will remain at Liverpool and Leeds providing direct services on popular holiday and local business routes, but there's only room for one airport outside London serving the major flag carriers and linking into the global networks. 53N 002W is about the best place for it. MAN already has good surface transport connections, and by the end of this decade will have improved road links (A555) and faster and more frequent electric trains from Liverpool, Leeds, and Scotland. And locally the Metrolink tramway.

This is not about Manchester vs Leeds or Liverpool, Manchester is the North's gateway airport, a national asset not just a regional one. For similar reasons Liverpool will always be the North's main sea port, with Port Salford etc. limited to a niche market.

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KLM still showing flights in Aug Liverpool - Amsterdam

BBC News - KLM scraps Liverpool John Lennon Airport services the UK general manager for KLM says it is being canceled.

Hopefully most well before the end of the decade.

Airport to Scotland should be electrified by Dec 2013. I understand new 4 car "350" style units will be used.

Airport to Liverpool by December 2014

Airport to Blackpool by December 2015

Airport to Leeds will be after that

Metrolink to the Airport by 2016 if they can solve the new Tram Management System integration by then.... :eek: That will link Eccles, Bury, Ashton and Oldham to the Airport although it will take some time to get from the furthest areas by this method! Running patterns not yet sorted - even for the extensions which should open in 2012....

And one day the A555 may at last be a reality.......heard 2021 mentioned for final completion :uhoh:

So access is slowly getting better, particularly for public transport. :ok:

Suzeman

Flybe to boost Norwich – Manchester flights
 

(from UK Airport news)

Flybe is increasing the number of flights between Norwich and Manchester in a move which will create 15 new jobs. The budget airline's franchise partner, Loganair, will base an aircraft at Norwich airport from March next year to offer a wider range of domestic air services, creating the new jobs for pilots, cabin crew and engineering staff.

The 31-seat fast Dornier 328 turboprop aircraft will be used to provide an increased schedule of Flybe flights between Norwich and Manchester, which will move to three return flights each weekday from March 5 next year.

Those Dorniers aren't cheap to operate - I can't image fares being too amazing. But good to see FlyBe increasing their MAN capacity on their own Dash's.

Roverman,

"but there's only room for one airport outside London serving the major flag carriers and linking into the global networks"


BHX has Emirates PIA,United, Air France, Swiss,SAS,Lufthansa,Brussels Airlines ,etc, etc, all doing well and connecting to major hubs !!!! ??? :confused:

Nigel

Very funny Nigel lol! knew you wouldn`t miss that one, but have to say when this express rail link is finished they are goung to rename Birmingham to London Birmingham

Ian

I think he means Gatwick? (Sussex / Surrey before you ask!) I mean Vietnam, Korean Air, Emirates, BA, Delta, Lufthansa all suggest he means Gatwick. What's this on the Manchester thread for then?

No, I meant Manchester. Ok, yes, BHX has a fairly good spread of flag carriers and serves the Midlands quite well, but it's really too close to London to be able to sustain a market for longer routes. Manchester is far enough away to be able to sustain a market in the North and some of the Midlands, due to existing volume and excellent (and improving) surface access. The Northern market is big enough for one such airport, but only one. If that market gets fragmented - as it has threatened to do in the crazy Noughties - the North will end up with a scattering of marginal regional airports, all struggling to sustain a meaningful route network. In withdrawing from Liverpool KLM have realised that serving airports 30 miles apart, except major hubs, is saturation rather than comprehensive coverage.

A strong MAN will provide a mini-hub, or at least a spoke on many networks, to compliment the London airports. It won't try to take passengers from the South, only those Northerners who might otherwise fly from London. That is why I call MAN a national airport - it serves perhaps half of the UK population across several regions and forms part of a national airport infrastructure. The 1978 White Paper got it nearly right - except for Prestwick. The 2003 'everyone grows' version needs binning - it was dreamland.

But let's be honest here - your previous posts have resonated with an almost religious zeal about how many passengers pass through MAN and its position in an entirely meaningless "league table" of UK airports. Are you really able to provide an objective and impartial assessment of airport developments in the last 10 years that have served to stunt the growth of MAN? I rather think not. I think what to you is "madness" or "dreamland" is probably viewed elsewhere as a massive success in introducing genuine competition and consumer choice into air travel in Northern England. Why would the typical man in the street, be he living in Manchester, Liverpool or Sheffeld want air travel choices to be at the whim of a monopoly provider.
Knowing some of the detail background of R2, I think the inconvenient truth here is that is that MAN's managers and shareholders in the 90s convinced themselves of a "no one will want to fly from anywhere else" story. In hindsight, maybe that's where the real madness was.

But at the end of the day there are two servicible runways
at MAN - available to anyone who wishes to use them.....and thats
always handy !!

Who cares if 'expectations' did not materialise...the capacity remains.

Perhaps the new airport slogan should be:

'Manchester - the Heathrow of the North'

MM

Consumer choice in the northern England market has been achieved at a number of airports by undercutting MAN, and making no profit. How will they now fund the investment they increasingly require to continue offering the consumer choice? Airport Development charges? - not really worked at Blackpool and DTV so far.

By 'madness' I mean unsustainable traffic growth which then goes belly up when asked to pay the real price. Fortunately we have MAN which ensures it makes a profit to reinvest and keep the lights on. The consumer has a choice - to fly to Madrid from MAN on Iberia, Ryanair, or Easyjet; to Oslo on SAS or Norwegian; and to many other destinations on a choice of flag carrier or lo-co, open 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 12 months a year.