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GrahamK 15th Aug 2008 18:13

Then of course, they've got tomorrows NCL-SFB to contend with.

Gonna be a nasty one, hope Tommy Cook et al have enough food vouchers for the pax :ouch:

CEJM 15th Aug 2008 18:15

Mr A Tis,

Just a bad summer for tech delays and not a lot to do with tight scheduling.

Unfortunately, you can't forseen everything in life and to have a widebody on standby for the whole summer will cost a lot of money.

Very unfortunate for our passengers, but please rest assured that everything possible will be done to get people to their destinations as soon as possible.

Mr @ Spotty M 15th Aug 2008 20:38

The A300 that is operating the CWL-SFB will not be back until late tomorrow night, as he crew taking it out is night stopping and then they have to bring it back.
The A300 that is doing the NCL flight is a second A300, l think that the POP-CUN is not now leaving until Sunday, but l might be wrong by a day.
MON has been using a DC-10 this last week covering the A330 that has been tech, the final icing on the cake was yesterday when damage was found by the pax door on the other A330, which requires a skin repair before going back into service.
Mon hope to have one back in service Sunday, if all goes well, but as it has been said nothing is going well this summer with the A330 fleet.:{
Yes TCX had a A330 out of service for a couple of weeks as well, as l understand.
CJEM is correct, schedule no tighter than last year, just bad fortune with tech problems on the same A330 these last two months.

BYALPHAINDIA 16th Aug 2008 02:00

Can't see the point of going Long Haul - to sit on an Aircraft for 8 hours or more with 'potential' idiot Pax.:ugh:

As much as I love flying & all that, I am happy to land after 4 hours in TFS.:D

You can be in ALC, PMI, AGP etc in over 2 hours, That's good enough for me.;)

Just can't see the appeal of Long Haul.:zzz:

Don't envy the NCL - CUN pax at all.

RingwaySam 16th Aug 2008 04:45

I see theres 2x A300s due into Newcastle today. 1x Gatwick and 1x Manchester - Theres also a 767 arriving into Manchester from Amsterdam apparently - MAN will have 2x 767s, they are filed to fly to Catania and Verona in the morning. Wouldn't it have been easier to send the 767 to Newcastle to cut the tech stops out and keep the 1x A300 at either LGW or MAN...

hapzim 16th Aug 2008 07:43

only problem is the 76 has 50 odd seats less than the 330 or 300. you can cover a shorter trip with 2 smaller airframes.

im going in 16th Aug 2008 07:43

RingwaySam

Good point about the 767, what would we do with the 49 pax left behind?

RingwaySam 16th Aug 2008 12:00

Good point :O

OltonPete 16th Aug 2008 12:44

G-OZBS
 
The ex easy/GB 321 was registered with the CAA yesterday per the CAA site G-INFO.I trust that this is a spare until one of the existing fleet leaves for pastures new?At least another frame into the fleet and might help cover tech aircraft once it is in service.Pete

Mr @ Spotty M 16th Aug 2008 14:05

Not due in service till the 26th and not exactly a spare a/c.
I understand that changes to the flying program have been made till the end of the season.
This l am told enables ZBS to be used on a program next month flying for Ford Motors around Europe for it's new Fiesta launch.
The Mon fleet reduces by 4 a/c during the winter season as 4 B757 leave.

EGNT 17th Aug 2008 10:09

Anyone any news to what aircraft will be operating the two delayed MON flights into NCL this morning?

lukeylad 17th Aug 2008 12:04

An A300 operated the inbound Orlando.
Dont know whats happening with the Cancun yet.

BYALPHAINDIA 17th Aug 2008 20:23

Spotty M, Did you say 4 x 757 to leave in winter 08??

Now that would leave ZB short....

I thought only NB & NE were leaving.

Think alot of ZB's problems have been because they are running a very tight schedule.

Must be costing them a Fortune.

Don't forget the 787's are 18 months late.

There was talk of either, Keeping the A300's or acquiring 2 other 767's??

Think ZB'S planning dept needs to 'rethink' it's Logistics after this summer.

Regards.:ok:

Mr @ Spotty M 17th Aug 2008 20:50

Yes "BYALPHAINDIA", 4 B757s to leave fleet this winter, NC & ND to be parted out.
A300s are at this time due to be around for 6 more years.
B787s are not going to be 18 months late, MON is not expecting first one till 2013.
One difference this summer is we do not have a spare a/c, we had a B757 spare all last summer, this year it's been sold to operate in DUB.
The other difference this year is the A330 was F***** July to Aug, where last year it was June to July. So this year it happened more in our peak flying period and not so easy to cover.

BYALPHAINDIA 17th Aug 2008 21:09

cheers, Sad to hear NC & ND now going.

2013, That's a way off.

I would think ZB will need at least another 767 for the LH routes.

The chances of acquiring other A300's are quite slim.

Are you sure they can manage - less 4 757's without acquiring replacements.

That's a big gap to fill.
Best Regards.:ok:

Ops Guy 17th Aug 2008 21:35

Whilst on the subject of Monarch. Did they advertise the 16 day holiday to Cancun for the price of a 14 day holiday or not?? :E:E:E

fl dutchman 17th Aug 2008 22:33

Or the 13 days for the price of 14 !!

TSR2 17th Aug 2008 23:29

Monarch (Tim Jeans) announced some months ago that their first B787 would be 'at least' 30 months late and would be delivered in 2013 'at the earliest'.He also announced that Monarch are working closely with Boeing to find an interim solution to the problem.

Several weeks after the announcement by Monarch, an article appeared in a major aviation journal which said that Boeing was conducting a feasability study into ramping-up production of the B763 as a possible interim solution for the airlines hardest hit by their B787 production delays. However, no decision is likely to be announced before the end of the year.

CentreFix25 18th Aug 2008 06:29


I would think ZB will need at least another 767 for the LH routes.
It was mentioned that MON would not be operating long haul routes out of NCL next year, so that would lessen the strain on the LH fleet.

TartinTon 18th Aug 2008 21:48

"Anyone know more?"

Yup. Not a chance.


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