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Flight canceled on Christmas day 2012
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HOWEVER it doesnt really tell you much apart from that there is a decrease of 1.5 million pax over a 5 year period.... The percentage drop at NCL and EMA during the first recession was significantly greater than BRS and LPL, why? Then the period afterwards at NCL and EMA was flat where BRS has had year on year growth, why? There are many influencing factors, but could it be as simple as the people pulling the strings not doing as good a job as their counterparts in other parts of the country? profit margins are less at these airports.?? |
"From the travelling publics point of view I'm not even remotely interested in what their margin is. I want cheap flights and more choice, other airports are doing a better job of this than NCL, why?"
Well, as a local council tax payer, I am more interested in the mgmt at NCL strengthening the financial position of the airport, based on sustainably profitable air services (and they seem to be achieving that). The previous volume growth to over 5m came during a period of management that saddled the airport with huge debts (and gained the management personal fortunes), that has required a substantial re-financing at council tax payers expense and revenue loss. |
There are many influencing factors, but could it be as simple as the people pulling the strings not doing as good a job as their counterparts in other parts of the country? The North East has always been one of the poorest areas of the country and the economy has been hit here harder and longer, so the dip at NCL has been harder and longer than at comparable airports. The relative performance of the respective airport managements might have a marginal effect, but it basically comes down to how much money people have to spend. I recall reading some time back that to support all the concessions at NCL then pax no.'s of c. 5M pax were mooted. It can only be a matter of time before sustained reduced no.'s at nearer 4M begin to impact on the pax experience. Independent holiday operators used to use there own planes at NCL 5 years ago. over the last few years these charters have disappeared and they have chartered seats on TOM,TCX etc. However this summer see's the start of these returning. We have A3,OHY and others this summer and hopefully this will cont in the next few years to come. what did BRU carry 5 years ago compared to the last 12 months of operation at ncl?? also can we get the figures for DXB and LHR, AMS for the last 5 years. EK is doing very well... |
I am more interested in the mgmt at NCL strengthening the financial position of the airport Each to their own, I want my flight to be cheaper then I'll fly more. I suspect that will be the general consensus of opinion on Northumberland Street too. NCL has been harder and longer than at comparable airports. |
Hi all. Quite new to pprune so try not to kick off.
With regards to the falling pax numbers and airlines pulling out, here's a few ideas of mine: 1) El Al - maybe a 3 times weekly flight, 738? I know a few Jewish people who live in the Gateshead area, and they say their community are crying out for a direct link to Israel. 2) EK twice daily - saw on here that EK want to go 2x daily NCL. Either a 77W/A350 combo or both flights A350 with the 2nd flight arriving around 1800 and departing at 1945. There's obviously demand for the flight since its doing so well. 3) USA flights - We need a USA link. I know AA scrapped it, but that was due to poor advertising. Maybe a UA flight to Newark, possibly 763? If that's to big maybe a 752/753? Thank you MNJ1 |
Here is some good news regarding the KL AMS services they have added a additional service between NCL and AMS!! Nice to see the AMS route going from strength to strength! Hopefully AF will upgrade to a A318 sooner or later?
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Story from the Journal:
NEW flights between Newcastle International Airport and Amsterdam have been announced for the summer. KLM Royal Dutch Airlines will operate the route, boosting its number of flights to 35 a week to the Dutch capital. This comes in addition to 19 weekly flights already offered by Air France between Newcastle and Charles de Gaulle airport in Paris. Henri Hourcade, general manager UK Ireland at Air France and KLM, said: “Air France and KLM have a strong presence in Newcastle and this additional frequency is a direct response to customer demand. “Despite the challenging economic climate, we’re committed to giving travellers greater flexibility and widest choice of medium and long-haul destinations. “For us, it is about supporting regional aviation so we can make travel easier and more convenient.” Passengers travelling on any of the linking 54 weekly flights connecting Newcastle to the rest of the world will experience hassle-free and fast connections via convenient hubs in Amsterdam Schiphol or Paris Charles de Gaulle airports. Schiphol was voted Best Airport in Europe at the Business Traveller Awards in 2012 for the 13th consecutive year and Paris Charles de Gaulle Airport started an action plan last year called Hub 2012, which include terminals refurbishment, new buildings, and branding improvements. |
Hi, Mnj1
All of what you have said are good points. 1. El Al, due to most of them being orthodox Jewish, most will likely only fly El Al, however I think 1/2 weekly will be more likely, but not any time soon. 2. Simple case of when, not if, considering Emirates said that if NCL keep growing like it is until year end, they will go 2 daily in 2015. I would expect a 77E(if they still have them)/77L or even A345 to start and then we'll probably end up 2 daily A350 by 2018-ish. 3. Again, when not if, however this one has been a bugger for the airport. If we get it, our only chance will be a x4/5 weekly 752 from UA, which is probably for the best as they have the best transatlantic 757 experience, AVOD etc. A TK service has also been speculated, but unless you can hold your breath until about 2015/16... I wouldn't. Our next new routes will more than likely be from Jet2. Hopefully they keep their promise of expansion to 8 based A/C next year. I can't see EZY expanding although I'll be more than happy to be proven wrong and finally, what NCL needs is more EU city routes... plenty of potential for both LS, EZY, BE etc etc etc there |
Absolutely correct re AMS, the 35 flights is just the 5 x daily summer increase the same as 2012.
If the press really want to write a newsworthy article they should pick up on the possible loss of the Gatwick route. |
What about TOM launching some new holiday routes as well.
1) Maldives - MLE is only served by 2 UK airports on a not so regular scale. Maybe a 1 or 2x weekly 767 service in the summer, with the potential to upgrade to the 787. 2) St Maarten - I absolutely love St Maarten. The only issue is that there is no direct service from the UK, you have to do it on a expensive full service airline via AMS or CDG. So for the summer season, similar to the above, why not try a 1x weekly 767 service on a saturday, again with 787 upgrade potential. |
1) El Al - maybe a 3 times weekly flight, 738? I know a few Jewish people who live in the Gateshead area, and they say their community are crying out for a direct link to Israel. 2) EK twice daily - saw on here that EK want to go 2x daily NCL. Either a 77W/A350 combo or both flights A350 with the 2nd flight arriving around 1800 and departing at 1945. There's obviously demand for the flight since its doing so well. 3) USA flights - We need a USA link. I know AA scrapped it, but that was due to poor advertising. Maybe a UA flight to Newark, possibly 763? If that's to big maybe a 752/753? What about TOM launching some new holiday routes as well. 1) Maldives - MLE is only served by 2 UK airports on a not so regular scale. Maybe a 1 or 2x weekly 767 service in the summer, with the potential to upgrade to the 787. 2) St Maarten - I absolutely love St Maarten. The only issue is that there is no direct service from the UK, you have to do it on a expensive full service airline via AMS or CDG. So for the summer season, similar to the above, why not try a 1x weekly 767 service on a saturday, again with 787 upgrade potential. I know that shy bairns get nowt and God loves an optimist, but a lot of this reads like a trip round Fantasy Island. :ok: |
Think you will find Thomsons are pulling out of Maldives as hoteliers have become greedy. As for St. Maarten dream on if you think can be done from Newcastle as if it won't work from LGW/MAN it won't work anywhere else. A number of people on this thread do no need to smell the coffee and be more realistic about what can be achieved in this market at present. Newcastle has done very well given its catchment. KLM is an increase in capacity this summer with more EMB190 aircraft I believe with restoration of the summer fifth daily flight. Certainly very busy on my recent trip.
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A number of people on this thread do no need to smell the coffee and be more realistic |
So for the summer season, similar to the above, why not try a 1x weekly 767 service on a saturday, again with 787 upgrade potential. St Maarten is niche, any UK service would start with a London link which is lacking, so NCL has no chance. |
Re the KLM story in the Journal... I'm going off on a tangent here , but this is part of a wider problem where a lot of what we read in newspapers -especially local ones - these days isn't actually news but PR (big difference). Instead of going looking for stories they are quite happy to be spoon fed stories by the PR departments of large companies. The co I work for is a good example.
Any regular reader of the Journal & Chronicle could be forgiven for thinking that not a single route has been dropped from NCL, ever! Anyway, rant over. I'm off for a lie down. carry on;) |
Unemployment figures
There's are answer
BBC have just reported that unemployment in the north east has risen again. It states that the northeast is now one of the HIGHEST unemployment rates in the uk with 1 in 10 people out of work!! |
Emirates said that if NCL keep growing like it is until year end, they will go 2 daily in 2015. I would expect a 77E(if they still have them)/77L or even A345 to start and then we'll probably end up 2 daily A350 by 2018-ish.
The only reason Newcastle now have the 77W is because Emirates are retiring their Airbus 340/330 fleet (as you probably know). Now if you look at the figures for Newcastle compared to all the other Aerodromes, you can see why they waited as long as they could to 'upgrade' it, Why would they wait 5 years to put the triple onto NCL when they could've done it after 2 or 3? 220 PAX (average) for both flights EK35 and EK36 is poor the average, should be nearing 500, if you want to start calling the route successful. The only reason I could see Newcastle ever getting a second daily is because of Cargo, PAX for EK out of Newcastle is simply extra commission, Trust me. That is why they wouldn't ever send a 777F, Choose between cargo or PAX, or have both, A lot of people around NCL seemed to have this brainwashed idea that Newcastle Airport is the be all and end all, but Hey ho that's my opinion what can I say afterall You don't get to see figures like I do. Thanks Falcon900LX |
Jet2 S14
In addition to Reus and Ibiza frequncy increase, Alicante increases to 10 x weekly, double daily tuesday, thursday and saturday. Palma also up to 10 x weekly. Still a lot to be uploaded I guess though |
Grahamk
Thanks for the update yes I'm sure that jet2 have more too add Hoping they may add Bulgaria ? Thomson and Thomas cook both adding flights too Small increases each year is what we are after. |
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