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EK77WNCL 19th May 2013 11:40

I flew RYR from NCL-BGY with family and although I was young, I'm pretty sure that the flights were quite full...

I also flew on Jet2 LBA-BGY alone last August and on the flight out I was sat next to a geordie who happened to live merely a mile away from me and he was travelling in a large group of family and friends consisting of about 10 people and I don't know how many were on my flight but I heard quite a few north eastern accents around LBA and then on my flight back to LBA I was sitting next to another couple who used to live, again about 1 mile away from me and who now live in Durham.

So there's definately some demand there from NCL and LBA and although both flights were easily 90-95% full (again, shows nothing of yeild), unfortunately the inevitable has happened and LS has surrendered the BGY route to RYR. Unfortunately due to their, for want of a better word, parasitic nature I cannot see this being the last example of this. Therefore I cannot see Milan being restarted just from NCL although there would be no competition and anything can happen... We'll just have to wait and see.

Madrid, I'd like to see it but I would be doubtful again. Berlin I think could work although using Schonefeld might put some people off especially businessmen, however the low fares could balance that out. Finally, Funchal I'd like to see however could Newcastle support two flights leaving on the same day within an hour of each other? Maybe/maybe not, but Jet2 holidays and Thomson cater for different markets.

All we can do is wait and see, however I think that if Jet2 do up themselves for 2014 (as they were supposed to this year) to 2 757's, 4 733's and 2 738's, we can see some new routes... Now just to get rid of this bloody APD.

VickersVicount 19th May 2013 11:43

"I flew RYR from NCL-BGY with family and although I was young, I'm pretty sure that the flights were quite full..."
That's what we like, good hard statistically significant facts....;)

alex207 19th May 2013 12:15

I have family in the area around Milan and the North-East of England is loved by the locals and Italians with the coast and there favorite is Hadrians Wall and Milan a big economic city. It obviously has the market lots of UK airports have Milan links so why cant NCL have one!

EK77WNCL 19th May 2013 16:23

@VickersVicount, hahahaha I'm a very statistical person ;)

I do have a horrible feeling that Jet2 might be reaching it's NCL peak just as Easyjet, Flybe and to a lesser extent Thomson and Thomas Cook have.

SWBKCB 19th May 2013 16:28


It obviously has the market lots of UK airports have Milan links so why cant NCL have one!
Perhaps airlines look at the fact that RYR tried NLC-BGY in better times than now and then dropped it.

Similarly Berlin has been tried and dropped before from NCL.

Jamesair 19th May 2013 19:25

Berlin, I recall, was operated daily by Easyjet.....2 or 3 weekly might be a better proposition.

HH6702 20th May 2013 01:02

Berlin, Milan and Funchal
 
Both Berlin and Milan had good loads and these routes did work at the start.
What went wrong with these routes were the timings of these flights.

Having the flights leaving NCL late in the evening was never going to work
However if JET2 could do the following these would work

say a 7am dept to Milan arriving back lunch time and an early afternoon to berlin and these flights would work and im sure that they could get the loadings required.

Funchal would only work if they had Thomas Cook and Thomson taking a seat allocation on the flight and the flight operated say on a Thursday.

That way Jet2 can offer a weekly flight but it would also give Thomson and Thomas Cook holidays the option of offering 10 nights along with the 7/14 nights currently offered. its a long shot of that happening in the next few years.

Zante could work along with other greek/turkish resorts

Could Jet2 pick up on Paris as another city break option not daily but say 3 x weekly??

deltahotel9 20th May 2013 14:51

For passengers at least the problem with Berlin in the end was timing, very late evening arrival was no use to anyone, by the time you got to the centre it was midnight. I'd like to see this restarted too but very little chance before the new Brandenburg International opens, so don't hold your breath, in very untypical German fashion it's already over 3 years late in opening and still no date confirmed but not before April 2014!

EK77WNCL 20th May 2013 16:39

I think Jet2 or easyjet could make a killing on a Paris flight. I know EZY didn't work at what? Almost 2 daily... But if they were to do maybe a 4-5 weekly flight, timed correctly, they really could make a lot of money because Air France cannot be described as anything other than extortionate now that they have the monopoly. Either that or I don't know if Air France upgrading to E190/A318 could bring prices down a little?

If Jet2 were to start a FNC flight it would either be on a Tuesday or a Friday, my mistake earlier thinking they flew on Mondays, (which is the 1 main UK changeover day on Madeira) I think that Jet2 and Jet2 holidays could themselves sustain a weekly 737 300 to Madeira alongside TOM's 738 flights. They appear to have done well with their x1 weekly 733 (now 738 and occasional 752) from Leeds and their x2 weekly 733 (again, now 738 and occasional 752) from Manchester. They have also now announced Funchal from East Midlands from April next year on the 737 300.

As I've already said, with the substantial expansion at GLA and EMA. I do fear for LS at NCL right now, unless something big happens this winter.

fl dutchman 20th May 2013 17:49

I think you will find Easyjet to Paris was never more than daily. Only in recent years has the frequency been reduced to less than daily. Was it not one of the first Easyjet routes from NCL nearly 10 yrs ago. So it must have worked at some point.

I understand the AMS (Easyjet) will be a slightly reduced frequency next winter vs this winter. I also understand the KL loads to AMS have held up well and that the AF loads to CDG have not changed significantly since Easyjet dropped the route.

apaul 20th May 2013 18:17

EasyJet to Paris was twice daily for a short period.

fl dutchman 20th May 2013 18:47

Cant remember that. Must be loosing it.

macuser 20th May 2013 21:36

NCL- JER
 
Anybody know how pax figures are to JER now there are two operators on the route?

fl dutchman 20th May 2013 21:50

NCL-JER
 
2033 pax used the route in April. dont know the split Flybe(once a week) and Easyjet (twice weekly).

Falcon900LX 20th May 2013 22:23

I wonder why people wish new routes on here. No offence but I'll never understand, Airlines analyze numbers, figures and website searches for places people want to fly too, ect.. They know a hell of a lot more than the majority of people proposing new routes on here, most of them have been tried or failed, it's pointless saying "well I know people who want to go to America and only want to fly from Newcastle" obviously the place has been deemed unviable or else you'd have your daily link with the Yanks; C'mon guys be realistic. Don't plan out routes that ain't going to materialize it's just pointless and time wasting why not make a makeshift spotters area or something idk.. lol

macuser 20th May 2013 23:16

Fl d
 
Thank you

Seems a good start to the season

M

Charlie98 21st May 2013 07:00

Many said Emirates wouldn't last at NCL :} so we'll never really know -APD is a huge player

skyman771 21st May 2013 21:54


Many said Emirates wouldn't last at NCL
Here we go yet again same old record round & round ! yawn!, yawn! yawn!, give it a rest !!!!:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

Falcon900LX 22nd May 2013 17:48

Agreed with the above comment, I'm sick of the sight of a triple 7 too! :ugh:

EK77WNCL 22nd May 2013 19:44

Falcon900LX, I don't think the point was that they were sick of the 777... I think the point was that people keep saying "people said EK wouldn't work from NCL"

Also HOW can you be sick of a 240 foot long, 210 foot wide tank of an aircraft with two, hell raisingly powerful, 8 tonne GE90-115B's strapped under some of the best, most efficient and most beautiful wings ever constructed coming into NCL every day!?!? Haha

You'd never guess I'm actually an Airbus man ;)


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