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Skipness One Echo 25th Feb 2012 21:05


Newcastle to NY to be announced Monday ?
The only possible US option would be if the merged CO / UA had decided to add to their regional portfolio a la Continental rather than focus on LHR like United.
American are in banruptcy
Delta
have pulled both JFK-EDI and JFK-MAN and are closing LGW in April to focus on LHR and MAN.
US Airways don't hub in New York.

The realistic option would be a P2P charter with Jet2 over the summer / Christmas. Sounds like a fantasy though.

HH6702 25th Feb 2012 21:16

The news we have all been waiting for yeah!!!!

Was going to say is this not going to be the JET2 charters we have yearly??

I would be nice to see JET2 have a much bigger programme this winter say for 6 weeks 2x weekly to NYC then the airport could take the load figures to a US based airline on the hope to getting the route at least 5x weekly or summer only maybe??

however he maybe right. lets look at some of the facts....

It was stated in the media that the airport had first started talking to EK 7 years ago that 2 years before we go the dubai route,

The airport have been talking to many of the US based airlines for longer and american even put the flights on sale.
However it was stated that the airport have asked for funding to get the new york link up and running and they say it could bring in upto 1 billion for the north east.

COULD this money have been already given and the press have just got hold of the story hence the annoucement this coming monday??

i hope it is UA/CO but think it will be our yearly winter flights with JET2 but hoping for more flights this winter

ncleflights 25th Feb 2012 22:37

If any NY service is announced it would only by the LS annual shopping trips but based on previous years normally not released this early.

If and its a big if a NCL - NY route is announced I would imagine this would be for a Summer start and aren't we a bit late for this, bearing in mind its already nearly March. Sales should be up and running now. No airline is going to start a regular scheduled service to NY with a Winter start up date.

However I know that CO have been monitoring EK performances and yields from NCL for a while now.

If this had been two weeks ago then this rumour may have had some credibility as for one day on the CO route map NCL kept appearing and then disapearing as a direct route from Newark. However when a manager at the airport was asked this was dismissed out of hand.

I think its safe to say no such announcement on Monday though.

Jamesair 25th Feb 2012 22:40

You never know, roll on Monday.

Ages ago there was some talk of Emirates extending their flight to New York and talk of Continental or maybe Jet2 is going to extend their Xmas only flights or realistically, nothing will be announced.

We shall live in hope:ok:

HH6702 26th Feb 2012 09:39

New York
 
Could be a few people with egg on their face if this becomes true on Monday.

We all know its a case of WHEN THE ROUTE STARTS......

i agree march start is too early but i could see the route starting 1st june or july.....

a few other questions
1, Why would BHX5DME post on the NCL group if not true?

BHX have CO for there NY so they maybe in the know if he works at the airport down there??

2, Why did NCL show on the CO website a few weeks ago then disappear again once the airport management found out?

3, A team from NCL went to the US to speak to an airline back in October and they stated they were sure to be able to get a un named airline to start the route?

4, Delta is to announce new european routes on Monday....

The north east needs this route.

EI-A330-300 26th Feb 2012 12:56


2, Why did NCL show on the CO website a few weeks ago then disappear again once the airport management found out?
CO offer connections to EWR via LHR which is why its on the CO website. Its still there.

EI-BUD 26th Feb 2012 13:01

NYC....from NCL.. Is it AerLingus Regional via Dublin Hub?
 
Once upon a time when Gill Air were the only operator on NCL DUB and they folded, Aer Arann announced they would fly the route x 3 daily, until Ryanair followed their plans and Aer Arann retreated.

Will we see Aer Arann in the guise of Aer Lingus Regional operate Dublin - Newcastle x3 daily with ATR42 and offer a range of options between NE England and USA via Dublin...?

Would like to think so...

SWBKCB 26th Feb 2012 15:34

Same thought crossed my mind - at one stage EI operated NCL-DUB with Fk.50's and promoted the transatlantic connecting flights - think a 330 operated at least one flight as a promotional effort for travel agents etc

Jamesair 26th Feb 2012 15:45

Maybe even a NCL - DUB - JFK...is that possible? with US Immigration handled in Ireland, that could be popular.

CabinCrewe 26th Feb 2012 16:28

...and who, pray-tell, is going to operate that particular gem...?

Jamesair 26th Feb 2012 16:45

"Aer Lingus" it's just a fantasy :E After they merge with Flybe:confused:

skyman771 26th Feb 2012 16:47

NCL - NYC

Well once again a myriad of posters, all looking to grab some snippet of a "dangled thread" every :mad: time this is mentioned.

:yuk:YAWN:yuk:

Jamesair 26th Feb 2012 16:51

Skyman.....a bit of speculation brightens up a Sunday...who knows we might all be shocked by the unlikely announcement tomorrow.

Ops Guy 26th Feb 2012 19:10

New York direct ................ doubt it.

Aer Lingus - likely.

Great news on the 777 and yes the stand can take a 777.

We'll see tomorrow though :ok:

ncleflights 26th Feb 2012 19:48

EI-A330-300 - yes your right NCL does show on the CO route map as a connecting flight however it actually did show as a direct route and not a connecting one on the route map a couple of weeks ago. Infact it has done at various times this afternoon.

Whilst I doubt very much an announcement of any sort of direct route is due tomorrow I agree with Jamesair, this whole speculation has brightened up my weekend if nothing else.

fl dutchman 26th Feb 2012 20:07

How about EWR NCL BHX NCL EWR or EWR BHX NCL EWR or something similar 3 times weekly.

JKKne 27th Feb 2012 09:29

*If* anything happens I'd assume it would be announced to a favourable US time, so probably when Wall Street opens?

CentreFix25 27th Feb 2012 09:36

Can't stand the excitement, announcement must be any time now! :ugh:

Most of the people who continue to flog this subject to death can be found Monday to Sunday standing on a fence at the end of 25.

Get real.

ncleflights 27th Feb 2012 12:06

New York - Not Again
 
centrefix25 - yes your post may well be true up to a point. The problem is that unlike many other regional airports NCL Management do, at every conceivable opportunity, whether it be in the Newspapers, on the Radio and TV bang on about how important it is to secure a direct scheduled New York Route. Indeed last year I think I lost count at how many times it was mentioned in interviews by Mr Mason.

I have said and continue to do so, that this whole fixation with New York has to a certain degree and I must stress in my opinion resulted in senior managers missing out on possibly securing other important, while admittedly with less prestige, routes. Whilst New York would be important to NE businesses other routes which also would be important to the NE could possibly be achieved. Germany is the true economic and political power house of Europe now, however as a region we are very poorly served with routes to that particular country, Frankfurt springs immediately to mind.

I remember when I started working the the aviation sector in the 1980s my manager at the time said that the sign you had made it as a regional airport was when you got a scheduled route to New York. Newcastle still seems to be in this 80s mentality and unfortunately the world has moved on while the USA is important and still the worlds largest economy it is not as important as it once was, a global shift has been to the East in the last few years which is why the Emirates route with it onwards connections does well.

To sum up as long as the airport management, the local media and now politicians go on an on about how important a New York route is to the region then the topic will continue to be raise it heard on this thread.

Sorry to bang on

Call Established 27th Feb 2012 14:15

There is some kind of press event at BHX today with Eastern, don't quote me on this but I am sure New York was mentioned and they were feeding into NCL or similar.................... probably totally wrong though!


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