Yeah,,,,,of course they do. :ugh:

Redundances
 

I have been reading this thread for the past couple of weeks. But let us all put this into context. I am sorry that there will be some redundancies what ever system is used it will be unfair. A case of not being able to please all of the people all of the time. But please spare a thought of those people at EAAC and Flightline none of them have a job now at least the majority at BHX and the other bases still have a job.

Ps i do not work for any of the airlines mentioned but have suffered redundancy in the past and perversly i was meant to have a position at a start up using EAAC a/c in West Africa

To all of you facing the axe: good luck, something will come up.:ok:

FWIW LIFO looks like the only straightforward and transparent way to do this - it's what happened in mainline in 2001 and anything else is open to all sorts of potential abuse.

Hudson - I pity the next outfit to suffer from your self-centred, under-talented mediocrity. Just PLEASE don't apply to come back. We're fine without you.:rolleyes:

This made me laugh. Was just looking back through some of HB's posts as i've nothing better to do :{ and found this little jem:

HB showing commendable consistency

:rolleyes:

Hudson Bye
 

Hudson,

Gosh you must be so good, since you believe it so much.
I wish I was you - young, agressive, despise authority, probably a James Bond lookalike.
But none of these will help you, as you are on your way out.
I for one will not be missing you.
Good riddance pal!

Hudson,

We know who you are. Quite simply you are insignificant and do not merit further comment.

Notwithstanding the bad news that some folks are likely to be losing their jobs involuntarily, what is truly saddening is the 'mob mentality' which seems to be prevalent on this thread, and probably within much of the company.

So someone expresses an opinion which is at odds with the 'majority' view, not necessarily offensive but perhaps understandable considering the anxiety and fear for one's own mortgage/family/Christmas etc. facing the potential redundant person. The last few pages have increasing been along the lines of 'I hope I never fly with you', 'we know who you are', 'I hope you get the sack' etc etc, all the while insisting on the need for unity.

You should be ashamed.

Doggy,

Problem is, he hasn't advanced any meritorious reasons for his opinion, and he is, by all accounts, inconsistent.

As such, it appears his vitriole betrays a more sinister motive...which isn't really helpful at this point in time.

Whad'ya expect if you yank the tiger's tail?

He certainly hasn't studied his NOTECHS document though has he?

;)

Hey Dog E -

You are entitled to your opinion like everyone else is.
The guy Hudson is an :mad: and defending his mental illness is
quite mental in itself in my opinion, he's even dangerous I'd say.
The thrust of this thread is how the company may have lost sound judgement about whom to dismiss/keep on, so your defence of the :mad: is not particularly appreciated right now.
Maybe later - one day, not now!

P

I agree, Dog E.Stile - This is getting into a 'PAF' = Personal Attacking Forum.

Posters should, Just accept what views other Posters have, And not take it Personal.

I have also been under 'Personal' attack in another Thread!!

Back to WW, Think it was a bit 'Sly' of FR to launch the advert into the public theatre?

Other posters have their right to post what ever they please. If they should personally attack more senior pilots by referring to them as fossils and that all ex British Midland pilots and trainers should be up for the chop then they will raise an eyebrow..or 2!

If they were not in agreement with the collective agreement that the company had approved with BALPA then perhaps they should have considered this BEFORE they joined.

This is not a time to play Devils Advocate...there are people within the drop zone that the collective agreement states that are quite rightly very worried and perhaps are trying to improve any offer of redundancy that may come.

The Devils Advocate amongst us that, may I say has upset a vast majority of the work force, has no reson to for the purpose of seniority..they are safe! But maybe it suits them if pilots above them were to move on.....command potential and they would be more senior? I suggest that maybe now it is time to support our pilots....hard times ahead. Good luck

I commute every week from BHX to EDI and have done for 3 years now. One aspect I've found regretable is that all ground handling services are contracted out, such that it's difficult to speak to staff at the airport and there's often an attitude of 'couldn't care less' that pervades all dealings. I compare this to the attitude and service received when I used to fly this route regularly with BA then BA Connect. However, this is an industry wide issue and even BA doesn't have in-house ground staff outside London now.
With regard to many people's comments on punctuality, whislst some flights have been delayed for no seemingly good reason (or none given anyway), I find that most flights arrive within 15 minutes of the published times. To my mind this is fair enough and I don't have a great problem with it. There's often a general problem at BHX on Monday mornings with congestion in the sul-de-sac at Terminal 1. Unfortunately as the BMIBaby stands are furthest from the runway it suffers more than other airlines using Terminal 1 (Lufthansa, Monarch etc).
With regard to on-board service, with few exceptions I've found BMIBaby staff to be polite, helpful and good humoured. I notice that people's service is often proportionate to the attitude they bring on-board (i.e. snotty passengers won't see the best side of a steward(ess) - am I still allowed to say 'steward(ess)' these days? I do sometimes wish the on-board staff could get together and agree what the rules are regarding mobile phones/blackberrys/flight-safe mode - announcments vary between anything goes if its in flight-safe mode up to everthing is vorboten at all times.
In recent weeks I've noticed a number of on-board staff happily passing frank views to customers regarding the company and it's position - interesting stuff. All in all though I hope BMIBaby continues to flurish and maintain a sizable hub in BHX and other UK locations. It derserves to on its own merits.

The ground handling at EDI is contracted to bmi and this is where the main problem is. The staff are trained to bmi standard but baby have their own set of rules which they ensure are enforced to the letter, therefore where staff are allowed to use discretion when delaing with a bmi situation, when it comes to baby, they are told EXACTLy what they can and cant do and if any decisions are made to the contrary they better be prepared for a backlash. The couldnt care less attitude comes from the rules being changed on a regular basis and taking fees for everything from check-in to excess, the job is like being a debt collector these days. Just wait till you hear what they want to happen next whilst boarding 140 pax in a 25 min turnround !

Do you mean the screening of handbaggage at the gate, checking in thereof and taking money for same?

It's already going on at MAN. Same situation there bmi staff checking in baby. No discretion, no rule bending, drives me mad!

Can we expand on what is meant byThanks

Great example of the descretion operated by BMI and not BMIBaby is that at EDI the check-in staff will give anyone the extra leg-room seats - as long as they aren't already booked. But if you're at BHX or onboard hell will freeze over before the BMIBaby staff or Aviance allow you to have an extra leg-room seat unless you've paid extra.

I'm a CM for baby at EMA and here are the official rules regarding the above.

Mobile phone ok to use unitl doors closed then totally switched off, not to be used in flight mode at all! also shouldnt be used when walking from/to aircraft/terminal via the ramp (i.e no airbridges as at EMA)

Blackberrys as above however ok to use only in flight mode and only when seat belt sign switched off! (when sign is on it must be completely switched off)

I hope that clears up what we SHOULD be doing at baby. i know some crew think they can make up their own rules when it suits! :rolleyes: :ugh:

Just for clarification is that exclusively Blackberries or are other smart-phone devices allowed to be used as well? Any of the Nokia N series phones or the iPhone, several Samsung and SonyErricsson devices,etc have the same functionality as a Blackberry and similar "flight safe" mode.

Brian.

blackberry paid to get their devices approved by the CAA, all other makes are still waiting for CAA approval