Delays
 

The 757 is only doing one SFB a week so how can it build up to a 6 hr delay ?

The 757 has flown direct to SFB without a fuel stop as passengers on here have confirmed.


How do you know what GSM is doing regarding its ETOPS or are you just guessing ?

GSM Scot

From the end of this month there will be fri-sat consectutive flights with short turns. In march there will be thurs-fri-sat flights, again with short turn

These are the flights people are worried about and rightly so. Unless you or the company can shed some increasing light on the ETOPS debate and replacement A/C that can get to SFB in a signle hop then there will be at least 6 hours delay on the saturday flight. And yes, that is a guess:hmm:

Unfortunately GSM wont confirm anything so guessing is all pax have at the moment and so far its been remarkably accurate.

Using nothing more than common sence, some 'guessing' and a PC I posted a schedule about a week before the last 2 flights left Glasgow. No need to tell you how close it was as you've no doubt found it by now. Same math, same plane, same route until April and it adds up to delays.

Personally I hope my sched is a mile out and the flights are on time but without changes in the next few weeks I know which one I'd put money on being closer.

If you have more info that will prove every negative post wrong, please let the world know. Not only will we start singing Globespans priases :uhoh: we might even look forward to our holidays.

We wait with eager anticipation. :hmm:

GSM SCOT - I would like to thank you for keeping us up to date on the GLA - SFB route. Your info has been very useful.
We are flying this next Saturday and I just hope and pray that we don't have a fuel stop as my missus hates landing/taking off and the only reason we booked this with GSM is because we did it last September in the NEOS 767 with no probs at all. If she knows it will be a 757 next week and possibly a stop in Bangor (she has bad memories of the last time we stopped there!) then it's not going to make for a good holiday!
I've always stuck up for GSM, even with a 5 hour delay going EDI - BCN on business last year but my patience is wearing thin.
All this buying/leasing planes which results in customer dissatisfaction can't be good for business and to be fair, if we get mucked about next week then that's it for me with GSM.
I know it's out of your hands but surely something should be done about customer care before it's too late?
Also, I heard a while back that GSM were launching an EDI - SFB route. This never came off which was disappointing as EDI is much nearer and easier than GLA.
Thanks again GSM SCOT, let's hope the 757 makes it in one hop!

Here here Fiffio & mm0wkj

oops, entered same post again....deleted.:rolleyes:

757 - 767
 

The reason the GLA - SFB is operating on a 757 is because the 767 which was to operate the flights this month was damaged by a ground handling truck in GLA. When the 767 is back from MAN it will then operate as planned so there should be no delays due to fuel stops on route

GSM Scot you say it will be a 767 and was once back it will that going forward, can you now explain to us all how the seating plan both myself and les booked seats on months before the 767 accident is for a 757? ie 3-3.

.......

So it might still be possible that the 767 will be back in action by next Saturday?
Fingers crossed!

If you booked and the seating plan was 3x3 then it was planned to be operated on the 757.

With the 767 coming back from Caracas as the contract was pulled by GSM the SFB was then changed to the 767 but then the aircraft was damaged so its back to the 757 till the 767 is repaired.

OAG Cargo Schedule is showing....

Fri Feb 22 757 BFS BGR
Fri Feb 29 757 BFS BGR
Sat Mar 01 757 BGR
Fri Mar 07 757 BFS BGR
Sat Mar 08 757 BGR
Thu Mar 13 757 BGR
Fri Mar 14 757 BFS BGR
Sat Mar 15 757 BGR
Tue Mar 18 757 BGR
Thu Mar 20 757 BGR
Fri Mar 21 757 BFS BGR
Sat Mar 22 757 BGR
Tue Mar 25 757 BGR
Thu Mar 27 757 BGR
Fri Mar 28 757 BFS BGR
Sat Mar 29 757 BGR
and 757's until end of May
767's take over Sat May 24

I would think the 767 will be back sooner though!

HTH

So what happens if the 767 is back by 24.4.08, we have paid £200 to pre-book seat that we choose, if its the 767 we wont get those seats as different layout, would we get the £200 refunded to us!!!! or put into the emg exit seats on the 767

You'll get nothing, and after months of phonecalls and letters you'll be told to read the small print terms and conditions.
First Choice or Virgin (obviously on another date) might have been a better bet.....

GSM Scot.


'With the 767 coming back from Caracas as the contract was pulled by GSM the SFB was then changed to the 767 but then the aircraft was damaged so its back to the 757 till the 767 is repaired'.

Thats excellent news... but why, if that is the case, has another Globespan employee already stated that as soon as the 767 is repaired it is off on another contract?... Yet again we have conflicting information. Does the left hand know what the right is doing at Globespan or are even they 'guessing'?

All we want is confirmation of when and how GSM will get the finger out and show they can and will sustain a regular service ON THEIR OWN. If you are so certain of the 767 coming back, ETOPS being reinstated and all the current rumours and misinformation going away then give us dates... When will it happen?????

The summer season you mentioned could be May as far as the company is concerned but there are a lot of flights with a lot of passengers going before then.. Will they be affected, can the passengers start looking forward to their holidays in the knowledge it will be OK on their flight dates....Can they start enjoying the planning of their holiday instead of checking their insurance small print to see if they can salvage any of it?.

Until someone gives us all dates and we see it happen then we can only assume it 'guessing' by you and its business as usual. No ETOPS, 757 until A.N Other's planes are leased and delays. PROVE US ALL WRONG

It does now, wasn't there when I booked before the flight times were changed.

For 'unlikely' read 'probably', for 'brief' read 'at least an extra hour'.

Of course if you book by phone (as you are required to do if you have a passenger with special needs), you don't see any of this anyway.

Are you saying that the 767 would have been operating all the GLA-SFB flights if it hadn't been damaged the other week?

I do thank anyone who can keep us poor pax updated, I do understand that you guys can only work with what you are given. Still waiting for any positive news. I would really love to be on here in a few weeks making use of the applause smiley and saying our flights with Globepan were the best ever. :D

You guys are dreaming if you think a 757 with ANYTHING like a normal load can make SFB without a tech stop.

Since the aircraft landed at MAN, it has been parked up. It is not in the Thomas Cook hanger, being worked on.

Les - If you are lucky enough to be on the 767 then consider yourself lucky. I would think the seat allocation would be of no significance so I don't know what you're bothered about regarding pre-allocated seats.
Just be thankful a 767 doesn't need a stop in Bangor

dicannio10 - I would rather have a stop in Bangor than lose £200, maybe not a lot of money to you but it is to me.

p.s. before anyone says why pre-book seats when all this uncertainty I didnt know anything about the uncertainty, possible plane changes, delays etc when we booked, it was only a month ago or so I found all this out, if I had known then what I know now I wouldnt have parted with more hard earned cash to pre-book seat that I might not even get if it is not a 757.

757manipulator

Don't bother wasting your time and effort with informed advice. Some on here are convinced the 75 will routinely go GLA-SFB non-stop. :ugh:

What is most shocking is that many on here who claim it can and will are GSM staff. :=

Show them facts, figures & hard evidence and they react like I do to my phone bill - "I don't believe it...it can't be!" :rolleyes:

Ostritch, sand; you get the picture...? ;)

Stoney

GSM SCOT
'The 757 is only doing one SFB a week so how can it build up to a 6 hr delay ?'

Well it managed 3+ hrs delay GLA- SFB on the 15th and 4+ on the return with no one running into it, breaking a window, loosing a wing or getting lost in the toilet so 6hrs should be easy on multiple flights per week

GSM SCOT
'The 757 has flown direct to SFB without a fuel stop as passengers on here have confirmed.'

Very true. But they were on an ETOPS routing, low load or favourable winds. Go non ETOPS and you are landing.. Whether it be to refuel or to scrape it off the ground, its coming down before SFB.

GSM SCOT
'How do you know what GSM is doing regarding its ETOPS or are you just guessing ? '

Yes we are guessing. Unforunately is based on the information posted all over this and other forums as Globespan are trying to keep it very quiet... So far everyones guessing its been very accurate. More accurate than anything GSM have provided to the contrary.


'With the 767 coming back from Caracas as the contract was pulled by GSM the SFB was then changed to the 767 but then the aircraft was damaged so its back to the 757 till the 767 is repaired'

And that could be some time by all accounts as the 767 has been in Manchester since it was pranged with no repairs being made..


GSM SCOT

ETOPS

'This will be restored in the near future but to be honest it isn't a big problem right now as there is only one flight per week that would use etops. It will be in place before the summer session starts though.'


And by 'near future' do you mean May per chance?

And you try telling the passengers on the upcoming flights who will be delayed 'it isnt a big problem'. Maybe not for GSM, but it sure as hell is for those passengers. You really havent been reading the posts have you?

And let me 'guess'... Summer Session... May again?

C'mon, give us some positive and accurate info and keep the company morale boosting tosh for those who will believe it.

767 probs
 

Yeah...you shouldn't be too worried about the 767 coming back soon-nobody wants to touch it with a barge-pole(just hi-loaders)LOL!Anyway,once it's fixed,who's to say that the same accident won't happen again?let's hope not!!Still,reading the recent posts,it looks as though GSM might be in for another rough summer:uhoh:.Good luck to all the passengers,the handling agents and the crews-if what's gone before is anything to go by then you're all going to need it!!!

Northwest Airlines -Detroit -Frankfurt 4161 miles- regularly operates non-stop on a 757
From airliners.net
"The longest route I have flown on the 757 was a non-stop flight from Orlando to Manchester, with a full passenger load on an Air 2000 757 in 1993. We also has full fuel tanks but it's wasn't really much of a struggle for the plane. The flight time was 7h 41min but we had 9 Tonnes of fuel left on landing out of the 35T we took off with, so plenty of endurance left "
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...da+757#ID66904
" remember once flying a Monarch 757 on a Manchester - Bangor - Orlando then home via the reverse route on a 757. On the way back the tailwind was such that we were able to make it back without the stop "
"Our longest B757 route is the LGW to
CLE leg sched. to 9+15 block time. As I said earler
we have 10+10hrs of fuel on board. So most of the time
it can be made without the fuel stop."
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/pri...ad.php?t=67860
"Yesterday's routed via BGR then down to SFB, 6hours to Bangor then another 3 to SFB but the return flight went non-stop to Glasgow in just under 8 hours. "

You wonder why these people feel the need to lie about the so called phantom direct 757 routings.

I think non-stop return legs are more common due to prevailing winds.

Your non stop examples are all ETOPS & with a following wind.
Can you be certain GSM will resume ETOPS ?

GW76

Thanks for proving my point. :ugh:

Give up mate. :cool:

Everyone knows the 75 can very occasionally do SFB-UK non-stop.

You were deliberately selective in choosing to quote CO's LGW-CLE as an example. How many GSM 757s have just 174 seats on them a la CO ? Even with that kind of load, quote"most of the time it can be made without the fuel stop."

I suggest you do a trawl around and see how many OSL or TXL - EWR 757 rotations have dropped into Goose or Gander over the last 12 months. You'd be very surprised.

Also you will find CO block a number of seats out of the 175 total so pax numbers are reduced thus lowering the load. The is prevelant during all winter sked ops.

BCNEWR is 757 ops with a block to block time of 09:30. Todays flight time planned is 08:36

GW76..with regards to your post....
The most fuel I have ever seen loaded in my 4000hrs of flying 757's was 34.2 tonnes...and that was at a fuel temp of about -20C.

Because GW76, they are talking crap.....

Heres a simple bit of maths
757 MTOW 113 tonnes
subtract 34 tonnes...which gives you...79 tonnes....now subtract the dry operating weight..which is generally about 60 tonnes..which gives a usefull payload of 19 tonnes or so:ok: so around 190 punters:ok:
At that weight, and at optimum altitudes the fuel burn AVERAGES 3.8 tonnes per hour, which means tanks dry in around 8hrs and 50 mins.
Got all that?
Now a DIRECT track to SFB ASSUMING no SID's or STAR's is 3566nm, prudence means you plan on 85% of mean winds and further assume an economic cruise mach of .79 or .80 which gives an average ground speed in the region of 420 kts.
420kts/3566nm= 8hrs and 29 mins....before we factor in ANY climb or descent restrictions etc etc.
Therefore you cannot legally operate the flight as you can't carry JAA reserves.
I haven't even considered NAT track restrictions, being assigned an uneconomic cruising level, weather avoidance or NON-ETOP's routings.
An educated and experienced guess tells me that you would need to restrict your payload out of GLA by around 8 tonnes to make the flight even remotely possible.
Hence my comments that you guys are dreaming:ok:

Bearing in mind this route is now premium economy or business class, no cattle class, that should cut down the number of pax I would have thought. Therefore, less weight (pax and bags) so not as much fuel burnt.
Clutching at straws of course, but just a thought.:rolleyes:

Quote from 757manipulator:
'At that weight, and at optimum altitudes the fuel burn AVERAGES 3.8 tonnes per hour, which means tanks dry in around 8hrs and 50 mins.'

Memo to GSM flight planning: Must get a set of those winglets on the 757.

They would add around 30 minutes to the range for a given payload.

Adding winglets wouldnt matter to GSMs no ETOPS route... Just means they'd push it to Baltimore or somewhere in VA for fuel as opposed further north.

BTW GSM's flight planning have just mastered peeling a banana with their feet. Dont over stress them with technicalities. ;)

757manipulator. Excellent post:D:D detailed and accurate. GSM Scot should take a leaf from your book.

The GSM planners are obviously not a patch on the flight-simmers in here....

GW76.. Now now, that was uncalled for................ Lowering simmers to that level is pushing the bounderies of decency.:E

GW76...for the benefit of those of us in the industry who operate this aircraft..please feel free to enlighten us with your insight:ok:

Cos your dreaming if you think it will do it upwind....

GW76,

As a B757/B767 pilot - Ditto with 757manipulator:ok:

Reduced payload only. Not commercial sense for a low-cost operator. But then is never ceases to amaze me of the amount of times GSM aircraft are scattered around GLA during the day...???

To JB007 and 757manipulator, I refer you honourable gentlemen to a comment I made some moments ago........

"Don't bother wasting your time and effort with informed advice. Some on here are convinced the 75 will routinely go GLA-SFB non-stop. :ugh:

What is most shocking is that many on here who claim it can and will are GSM staff. :=

Show them facts, figures & hard evidence and they react like I do to my phone bill - "I don't believe it...it can't be!" :rolleyes:

Ostritch, sand; you get the picture...? " ;)
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Now, don't harangue old GW76 any more, for I fear he may throw what's left of his toys out of the pram. :E

Would love to see their C.V. entries for the past 18 months...Intentionally left blank....perhaps? :p

Stoney

Ive have no real knowledge of 757 operations either way, but just enjoyed creating controversy based on nothing more than a quick google search. I predicted those who would bite- and they didnt let me down. Ill leave it there,good evening :)
Oh and the implication that I was in some way connected with GSM is a little far off the mark. Something else to raise a chuckle none the less:)

A BIG Congratulations to Globespan this morning. GSM 725 to SFB (via BFS) Left its stand BANG ON SCHEDULE at 09:15. http://www.thedibb.co.uk/forums/imag...lies/2beer.gif

One in the eye for me as I predicted todays flight wouldnt leave until 09:30. http://www.thedibb.co.uk/forums/imag...ssed_smile.gif

Good on you GSM, lets keep up the good work...

Now watching the arrival time in SFB.. Due 15:40 and I predicted 17:10. C'mon GSM, even I'm rooting for you to win....

It's come to this, some are now publically congratulating Globespan for an On Time Departure ...hilarious, they'll be so chuffed!

We are looking to fly to Sanford from Glasgow next Feb/Mar 09. I contacted Globespan to find out when they will become available to book and I was told to sign-up for their Newsletter (which I have done) and I'll get notified by e-mail.

Can anyone tell me when they are likely to be on sale.

Cheers,

PD

JB007

'It's come to this, some are now publically congratulating Globespan for an On Time Departure ...hilarious, they'll be so chuffed!'


Its such a rare occurance on their US route it should headlining tonights news...:)