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spinnaker 14th Jul 2008 08:57

Anyone know when the sentencing is due?

Facelookbovvered 14th Jul 2008 09:10

An aircraft failing to comply with the MEL prior to despatch invalidates the C of A,
 
Thats why there is a court case, nough said, lets await the outcome.:eek:

webby1919 17th Jul 2008 14:17

Summer 09 Florida Flights Released

Weekly BFS flights
4-5 weekly GLA flights

The A/C might be used for another longhaul route the other 2 days.

CabinCrewe 17th Jul 2008 16:37

Summer once weekly LAS would be a winner. The previous shelved plans of year round twice weekly flights to LAS were doomed as predicted from the start.

webby1919 17th Jul 2008 16:44

Might be the one to fill in the gap. They were going to try LAS but AI came around.

MMS 18th Jul 2008 14:47

Whenever this forum becomes quiet, it is infact good to see, because it generally means that things are running smoothly at GSM......hope it stays that way.

CabinCrewe 18th Jul 2008 16:46

I wonder if the punters who had over 2 hours delay on their departure to Sanford yesterday think things are running smoothly...:confused: ;)

GoEDI 18th Jul 2008 17:15

Or all the pax who have endured massive delays of 5+ hours on atleast 3 occasions this week at EDI primarily due to the ever reliable B736 fleet.

DAVYDAY 18th Jul 2008 18:50

Routes
 
Think about this Continental (GLA) have just passed 1million pax in 10 years to Newark....why not do JFK....££££

Also San Fran and L.A ...never been done.. yet there is a big market
as most have to go via Newark? Scots travel to LHR/MAN/LGW or even AMS just to get flight..lets give them direct from GLA & EDI

GLA-JFK-LAX
EDI-JFK-LAX

Go on try it..if they take a million in ten years just from GLA to NY
What you going to do..

My application is in the post .:D

CabinCrewe 18th Jul 2008 19:22

Im sure those with direct access to confidential figures on transfer pax arent ignoring any potential goldmine. Its not necessarily about pax numbers but what price punters pay. It appears that business class is a weak earner from Scotland and thats where the money comes from. If ORD couldnt work on a summer only and all those before that, do you really think West coast would...?
Rather than submitting an application...I wouldnt give up the day job;)

Facelookbovvered 18th Jul 2008 20:03

Business class joke
 
Some seem to forget that the people with serious money have only the people that they wish to be on the aircraft with them, do you really think the likes of Rod S want to travel with the likes of flyglobespam even if they are the Scotlands fav: airline, dream on...........


Unless its BA first its always cattle class, BA spend more on their business lounge than Globespam spend on aircraft maintenance......and then some

4567 24th Jul 2008 11:48

See Jet2 have made a profit of around 11.8 million hopefully next year GSM will be on the up instead of 13 million loss.
For all the rumors that go round i doubt the Dart Group will want to touch GSM and i don't think TD is up for selling.

Anybody know if they are at the moment on the way to profit or making more losses?

MUFC_fan 24th Jul 2008 11:50

DART GROUP made £12m profit, not Jet2. Jet2 made £300,000 - less than VLM.

colsie 24th Jul 2008 16:35

" Think about this Continental (GLA) have just passed 1million pax in 10 years to Newark....why not do JFK....££££

Also San Fran and L.A ...never been done.. yet there is a big market
as most have to go via Newark? Scots travel to LHR/MAN/LGW or even AMS just to get flight..lets give them direct from GLA & EDI

GLA-JFK-LAX
EDI-JFK-LAX

Go on try it..if they take a million in ten years just from GLA to NY
What you going to do..

My application is in the post .:D"

Davyday do Globepsan not go to Vegas from Glasgow? or did that pipeline idea not get very far?

MUFC_fan 24th Jul 2008 16:38

They wouldn't be able to compete with CO and DL. Remember, all you have to do is change plane in JFK or EWR and you get to your destination.

A lot of the passengers using the NYC services will already be transitting and that is how they can hold a daily flight where others cannot. ie) LPL-JFK.

GSM is best to focus on it's main routes for the time being until we see the industry turn around and start to grow again.

silverstreak 24th Jul 2008 20:28

MUFC FAN

...GSM is best to focus on it's main routes for the time being until we see the industry turn around and start to grow again...

Couldnt agree more. GSM should concentrate on the Air India, OmanAir, MOD flights etc etc as thats whats keeping them going, and subsequently, all they really are interested in...

NO regard for the passenger going on holiday - the grass-roots of the GSM empire! My they really do have short memories up at Collinton.

:mad: :ugh:

mary_hinge 24th Jul 2008 20:40

Errr 4567, with a name like that people would have thought that you were OK with numbers. You say "hopefully next year GSM will be on the up instead of 13 million loss, I thought that a profit was declared back in June this year!

luvly jubbly 24th Jul 2008 21:46

4567 was correct with the numbers,

Flyglobespan heads for profit after £13m loss - Times Online

LJ

4567 24th Jul 2008 22:02

Thank u LJ

Don't have a clue were you got that from Mary Hinge Flyglobespan posted a loss of 13million so hopefully we will see a return to profit!

mary_hinge 25th Jul 2008 11:14

My mistake 4567 and LJ. I know they posted a loss last year but thought they had made a profit this year. Any one know when the figures are due?
Thanks

webby1919 25th Jul 2008 13:11

They are in profit already this year. SFB route is doing really well and all shorthaul routes are filled to capacity on most days, or near 90-95% capacity. W08 selling well too.

Copenhagen 25th Jul 2008 14:51

With every other low cost airline in Europe expecting profits to fall dramatically this year (FR, U2, SkyEurope, etc), why on earth do people here expect Globespan to increase profits? Globespan lost £13m in '07, so we should expect a higher loss in '08....

Or, will we continue to bury our head in the sand? :ugh:

luvly jubbly 25th Jul 2008 15:05

Why an increase in profits?

Because we haven't had 4 engine changes this year!

Jimmy Riddle 25th Jul 2008 15:10

And when was the last time you checked you wage slip and allowances LJ ....any chance of an increase in salary and a reduction in these hours...they're killing...and we will continue to lose people unless something is done about them.

webby1919 25th Jul 2008 15:29

The profit was obliterated in 2007 with the number of engine changes that they had to make on the B752ERs. This year they won't have that problem. Also, this year they have been flying long-served routes so no high start-up costs. If the B752s did not require engine changes and the Glasgow Airport Attack did not happen then they would have turned a £3m profit for 2007.

This year it'll probably be expected to return to around £3-4 million.

diesel36 25th Jul 2008 15:30

Webby so you have access to the books do you

No i didnt think so, dont think they are in profit already this year

Just your wishful thinking, doesnt matter if the flights are full or not

what are they selling the seats for to bribe people to travel with them..

Wasnt so long ago on here that some routes were been reduced, maybe

thats why the flights are full reduce them and throw them all onto 1,

you know how the customer service is at GSM .. non existant..

Facelookbovvered 25th Jul 2008 15:33

And Jimmy its good to see a reduction in.......................................................... .....dots already, with regards to profits you can not say they are in profit already, you can say year to date they are profitable, but winter cometh and very few make money at that time of year. I expect a number of airlines including Jet2 & Globespam to chop crews costs before October by laying off new starts and unpaid leave. Picking crew up in the spring will not be a problem and it might help them get thro the winter. BTW good to see the good people of Glasgow East have come to their senses........after 87 years, so there's plenty of time for Globespam to sort their problems out before they get the boot from the Scots (with a little help from Manchester engineers!!)

Copenhagen 25th Jul 2008 15:38

Luvly - does $140 oil not ring a bell?

With every 767 to Orlando costing about $50k more per return trip just in fuel bills, Globespan profits will be even thinner this year in comparison to last...

Ryanair and Easy reducing yields ex Scotland to spain also reduces revenues and loads.

But, then, we can always cover our ears, and not read the newspapers... :ugh:

luvly jubbly 25th Jul 2008 16:15

I guess we will find out next May when the figures are released.........

GSM SCOT 25th Jul 2008 17:02

Profits
 
Most of our fuel for this year and the winter has been hedged at well below $140 a barrel, so the SFB route is very profitable, same for the canadian routes.

GSM will make a profit this year with no need to bride passengers to fly.

Facelookbovvered 25th Jul 2008 19:22

Bride- Scottish for bribe

Deeko01 25th Jul 2008 21:31

FWIW l had a great flight with GSM on Tuesday in DLCH, on time, great cabin crew service, nice to see you again RW, glad you are doing well, look forward to the return flight.

Would have no hesitation in booking GSM again for another trip, wish them all the best for the future and hope the dissenters give up praying for there demise, if it was going to happen it would have been before now!!

colsie 25th Jul 2008 21:39

Sorry from my experience with Globespan I would not fly with them again.

First of all it was an old classic 737-300. It was of course beautiful to look at, but not for the flight between Glasgow and Faro. It felt too small for the 3 hour or so flight.

Secondly the Cabin crew failed to give a good performance as such during the flight. Many walked around looking rather depressed throwing on a rather forced smile form time to time. We only had one stewardess from Glasgow, the rest being English and personally I find the Scottish flight crew's to be funnier and friendlier.

Thirdly the flight cost a bomb shell.

I would however comment on the nice piloting skill. The Captain extended the route several time's to avoid turbulence. Or according to the captain anyway.

The interior was rather shabby and the age of the crfat was showing baldly.

DAVYDAY 26th Jul 2008 01:23

Love Em
 
Why all the sad stories.?
This summer is the best yet.

At GLA & EDI You have - A real engineering company, a real handling company and over the last 3 years the best performance ever.

Call me a sado but I do look at overall performances for airlines,handling companies and engineering.

Ok Catering could be better and Cleaning needs adressed but overall
you are 64% better than last year at GLA.
and 72% at EDI.

I dont know why your compalining.

I wish I was on your tream.

As for the drivers (Pilots) hahaha you have a profesional job to do
and it looks like your doing it very well indeed.

You should pat yourselfs on the back chaps.:D

Copenhagen 26th Jul 2008 09:03

Davy, what planet are you living on? The Facts say the exact opposite.

Globespan is the least punctual Low Cost Carrier in the UK.

FLIGHTONTIME.info - Low Cost Airline Delays & Punctuality in the UK


What about Which magazine?

Research Finds British Airlines Fare Badly With Their Customers (from The Herald )

<i> Scottish airline Flyglobespan comes near the bottom of the table, with an overall score of just 37%. Of 42 long-haul carriers rated by subscribers to Which?, Scotland's largest airline ranked 38th, with in-flight entertainment and the company's ability to deal with delays singled out for particular criticism. </i>

But yet again, we can ignore the facts, and live in our own 'arent we great' bubble. :ugh:

silverstreak 26th Jul 2008 19:20

Have been told that the Europe Airpost B737 is by far, a superior aircraft to any of GSMs own B737-300s to fly on as a passenger.

Ive had a look inside and to be honest, looks alone, I would agree.

(It was in pax config when I looked inside ;))

scotsunflyer 26th Jul 2008 20:25

Fun and games again today

GSM471/472 EDI/AGP/EDI operated by the YHM B752 from GLA, GSM561 EDI/LPA operated by B73H from GLA, return flight will operate to EDI.
YHM passengers to/from LGW ferried to/from GLA on B736. GLA-YHM delayed over 4 hrs due to B752 being 3-4hrs late.

GCEJO was to go to EDI after maintenance, but never went into service today, hence the shortage of aircraft.

THe B733 which was based at EDI is now based at GLA, with a B73H based at EDI. (EDI base now 1xB73H, 1xB73W, and 1xB736)

One of the B736 is due to leave the fleet soon.

gflynorw 27th Jul 2008 07:43

"Have been told that the Europe Airpost B737 is by far, a superior aircraft to any of GSMs own B737-300s to fly on as a passenger.

Ive had a look inside and to be honest, looks alone, I would agree.

(It was in pax config when I looked inside ;))"

Bearing in mind it sits on the cargo ramp all day - hasn't done half as much as our 733's have done, which I'd say are workhorses.

Our's aren't that bad! they've served us well!

Deeko01 27th Jul 2008 22:01

Also love the fact you dont mention that Jet2 have 21 B733's, GSM have 2 and must actually have one of the most modern fleets around!

Gimme a break please with the GSM bashing its getting boring now.

firstchoice7e7 27th Jul 2008 23:19

flyglobespan has an average fleet age of 6.1 years, Out of the 16 UK airlines ive included GSM is 3rd.

As a comparison

Palmair has 34 years

Jet 2 has 20.5 years

Loganair has 18.1 years

Air Southwest has 16.4 years

bmi baby has 13.3 years tied with Eastern also at 13.3 years

Monarch has 13.1 years

British Airways has 11.4 years

First Choice/thomsonfly has 10 years

Astraeus has 7.9 years

Virgin Atlantic has 7 years

bmi has 6.3 years

FlyBe has 4.9 years

Easyjet has 3.3 years

Actually the youngest is 2.8 years with Ryanair (though as thats an irish company i havent included it)


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