Regarding the news re: Fr at Bhd. Didn't we have a BBC reporter outside Bfs about 3 years ago telling us that Fr were about to do a deal at Bfs. The difference between them was a few pence in pax handling charges. What happened to that?

Also, these new routes to the continent that are being mentioned. As the runway at Bhd is shorter than Ldy and Fr want it lengthened, how will that work at Bhd? Or will Bhd want to make a longer runway there as well to please Fr?

True Blue

Why would Ryanair use BHD with restrictions that are there in place at the moment. They have tried for years with 'both' airports without securing a deal. Now it seems strange that they would operate from Belfast with routes such as Katowice/Warsaw (Wizz at BFS) EMA (WW at BFS) BRS, LPL, Paris, Rome (EZY at BFS) - Barcelona (Jet 2 at BFS).Why not BOH, Stockholm, Frankfurt... etc. really these routes apart from Riga, Brussels are not going to benefit the traveller in the long run. To me its simply that EI are maybe about to sign up at BFS and the only option open to FR is BHD, and its kind of a warning to BFS/EI. Now with falling numbers at BHD they may well try and do a deal with Ryanair, but they may well upset BD/BE as a result. (Bhd may not be happy with the way things are going with relation to BE delays/cancellations). But beware BHD look at BRS only weeks after announcing a new base and they were threatening to leave if the charges rise.

cessnarocket,

What are your thoughts on EI at BFS.

909,
If you can get a pair of those glasses Ill take a pair,and i agree until it arrives dont believe all the hipe! LOL:D

SPACE for FR
 

I think bhd will have to renovate the old terminal building, due to no check in limited gates etc., and stands which could cope with 1 or 2 b737 if it can fit 2 were will the GA go?

Pfffffft! What a lot of tosh.

FR won't operate into BHD - not enough tarmac for their high speed taxying antics. :}

Besides, just how many stands at BHD can take a 738? Hmmm? You really think BMI are going to be given the elbow to make way for Ryanair? Exactly.

As far as i know 4 and 5 can only take the 738. And we know 4 is BMI exclusive.

Well until the new lounge at Gate 16 at BFS is opened.....:E:E

Well until the new lounge at Gate 16 at BFS is opened

So is BMI now rumoured to be moving up the road.... where does all this end. Can I make something up. BA is re-introducing Concorde exclusively to operate from Gate 22 at Aldergrove, to New York, Washington and Sydney..... This thread has gone mad!!!!! beyond rumour

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Could bhd not create a new stand capable of Fr 738 at the GA area (old terminal) with space still for GA. It does seem unlikely for fr to come unless bhd extend the taxiway so it runs paralell down the whole length of runway.

Ok lets get the facts as i see them EI still a strong poss for belfast bfs if this happins bmi will stay at the city ryan air will not be operating from the city due to rwy lengths etc the city will not have them due to the low yeald passangers compared to bmi or flybe if by some strange weird bad managment the city let them in, airberlin and flybe would leave with only bmi and the ryans remaning lets not forget there passanger cap folks

maybe some spotted teenager called ryan is settin up a base with his cessna 150 at bhd :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

In my mind its rediculous to think that FR are setting up at BHD, but the fact is that it was reported in the tele. They ran it on the front page and the business paper, so their source must be reliable. I can remember that in Sept/Oct 2001 after BD had announced their move to BHD (which in its self was stupid and time has proven so) the Belfast telegraph announced the head line BA to axe LHR/BFS and move the remainder down the road. Now that was not an official announcement it was 'speculation', proven correct shortly afterwards. At that moment and I thought no way rubbish, why would they do that now with no competition at BFS on LHR. So I would take the current story quite seriously.

Gate 22

I agree with you and your point. However, please see my post no 23 re BBc and Fr at Bfs before. Also, some of the routes do not add up, with the runway lenght at Bhd and don't Fr use de-rated engines which is the cause of their problems at Ldy?

More questions than answers at the moment.

On another point, I was disappointed that WW on the winter timetable didn't increase flights to Bhx, thought they might have went to 4 daily, route does well and they could attack Flybe at a time of weakness. On the Man route, last dept ex Man is about 5pm. First out of Bfs is 8.40am. Could they be positioning for a night stopper at Bfs to Man?

True Blue

True Blue,

last dept ex Man is about 5pm

Seems quite possible as 5pm is too early for the day return, and WW mentioned lately in the press that 40% of their BFS traffic were business travellers, they also didn't rule out a night stopper. As for BHX WW could do better.

EZY are very quiet, are they just going to let BFS slip away, I think they could expand AMS, CDG to 2 daily, and Rome/Berlin Daily. I mentioned before recently about Malaga was not up to UK standard with scheduled passenger numbers last year, however with the introduction of J2 the figures have caught up. Therefore the justification for an increase across their network from BFS as mentioned above would work well I think. (or they could just sit around and wait for FR to arrive then waken-up)

The ideas being floated that BHD should reinstate the old terminal for Ryanair are a non runner. The new terminal was granted planning as a 'replacement' not an additional facility. While I don't profess to know the technicals I would imagine that operations from a runway shorter than at LDY, particularly to the destinations stated in Eastern Europe would be problematic.
Sounds to me like a journalist running with a story running with a story with no substance. We may be faced with the high prices, limited network and unreliable services from the city for some time to come.

I know that it's been remarked that I know nothing about aerodromes, but would somebody explain runway length issues as follows.
1. Why does FR want LDY runway to be longer-FCA use A320 to Palma, there are flights to Faro (possibly A320) thats quite a range from LDY-are there only a certain number of passengers allowed on these flights.
2. If BHD has a shorter runway than LDY how come the A321 was used for LHR (was there a restriction on seats as well). I think last year the A321 was used for Malaga as it was a 'W' pattern from BFS with BD on Thursdays.

So basically if FR were to use bhd would the runway need to be lengthened or would they just restrict the loads, which would seem like a waste of money.

Very much appreciated if somebody in the know would outline these issues

Thankyou

Gate 22

BHD 1,829m

LDY 1,852m

Any more proof needed? BD 321 BHD-AGP I wouldn't have thought so.

Regards

Mike

I have heard from my end at EMA that Ryanair wish to open a route between EMA and Belfast City and drop Derry.

Why not?

ZB were going to use it on the BLK AGP route form BLK which has a similar length before they messed with the flight times and ended up cancelling the service.

Also, LS use the 752 on the BLK-TFS route. AGP is perfectly possible with thw A321.