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adfly 25th Jun 2013 18:51

Interesting, I always thought one of the plans for the Ex BMI A319's was so they could operate the mentioned routes more effectively than the 734's!

BAladdy 25th Jun 2013 19:08

I flew to ACE with BA in late April. The flight was showing as being operated by a A319 until a couple of days before. Then it was changed to a 734.

The crew said that it there had been a number of flights to PFO, TFS and ACE operated by the ex BD A319's that had encountered weight restriction problems.

From ACE a number of flights were required to make a tech stop on route to take on fuel and on the PFO this has meant on occasion a number of bags have been left behind.

adfly 25th Jun 2013 19:36

The A319's must take quite a hit from their configurations then, supposedly they have a range of ~3600mi, ~1900-2200mi sectors causing problems seems very odd.

Tagron 26th Jun 2013 08:28

The reason for the difficulties with the A319 on the Canaries and Cyprus routes is most probably the certificated MTOW. Like the original BA aircraft these ex BMI A319s are only certificated to 64 tonnes except just two aircraft which are 68T. (Data is from G-INFO) It is only these latter aircraft that would stand any chance of operating full load on these routes and even then adverse winds could be enough to cause a fuel stop.

A319s can be certificated to much higher MTOWs such as 75T on the Germania aircraft which would have no problem operating longer routes. The reason for restricting MTOW is usually to reduce landing and en route charges. Manufacturers brochure figures are best ignored in assessing the capability of an individual operator’s aircraft since customer specifications can vary widely. I am surprised BA had not identified the problem before assigning these aircraft to those routes.

OltonPete 26th Jun 2013 09:26

787's
 
The first BA 787 is registered with the CAA but I understand this is where the good news ends and the first delivery flight has not taken place with rumours the second is delayed as well.

Whether or not the financials have taken place I am not sure.

Pete

WHBM 26th Jun 2013 09:34

Are there structural differences between the various A319 MTOWs, eg beefed-up landing gear, or is it just a documentation issue, principally to get lower landing fees based on MTOW ? Obviously the Air Canada A319s that operate Heathrow to St Johns, Newfoundland, well over the distances being quotes here, westbound against the prevailing wind, and with no opportunity for a fuel stop, are perfectly OK.

Another issue can be the commercial team selling significant air freight loads, something that the charter carriers tend not to do as much, for example substantial loads of agricultural products inbound from places like Cyprus to the UK. Leaving pax bags off, as described above, with all the timewasting and gross disruption to life for the pax when this happens, just because the carrier has not got a grip on the capabilities of their aircraft, is unacceptable, and the regulators should identify this and deal with it.

airsmiles 27th Jun 2013 05:54

I see the first 787 G-ZBJB is on its way to LHR as BAW787. According to Flightaware it's due to land at 11.54BST.

cuban missile 27th Jun 2013 08:47

787 to mexico
 
hi all, does anybody know when the 787 is going to be used for Mexico:)

BAladdy 27th Jun 2013 09:31

As far as I know BA have no plans to use the 787 on flights from LHR-MEX in the near future.

TOM - On the other hand will operate it's first 787 to CUN from GLA on 8th July

ib26uk 27th Jun 2013 10:52

British Airways announce their 787 routes

Toronto from 1st September and Newark from from 1st October

British Airways reveals first Dreamliner routes | Buying Business Travel

Planeaddict 27th Jun 2013 11:06

Just popping in and thought I'd share a take-off and landing from inside a BA 767.

Take-off: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paKvDk0lpSU
Landing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8mm5wqkdKk

Courtman 27th Jun 2013 19:44

Here is my shot of the first BA Dreamliner landing at Heathrow today at 12:10.

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2813/9...44cf717d97.jpg
British Airways 787 first delivery by Adrian Court, on Flickr

Flightrider 27th Jun 2013 20:31

Any update on whether BA is going ahead with the extension of one of the LHR-SIN services to Jakarta from this winter? Seems to be in the plans....must be years and years since they last served Jakarta, and you have to wonder if it's a coincidence that Garuda is (re-)starting Gatwick at the same time?

Tom the Tenor 27th Jun 2013 23:38

Nice pic, congratulations on a good catch!

champair79 28th Jun 2013 00:12

Flightrider,

It is on the cards but has been denied due to slots. Whether it is something the company pursues from late 2014 onwards, I have no idea.

jabird 1st Jul 2013 19:38


The first A380, G-XLEA, is due on the 4th July.
Anyone got an advance on timings? BA website just says mid-morning.

sbradley737 7th Jul 2013 12:26

Would anyone who has access to British Airways flight loads be able to give me an idea what the loads are like and non-revs listed on BA 2203 LGW-CUN on July 14th? Thinking about getting a ZED ticket for the flight if the loads look reasonable (or finding another option if not). Thanks in advance!

Bmi-fan 14th Jul 2013 10:39

BA835 ex DUB cancelled 14 July
 
Anyone know why the BA835 isn't going from Dublin today?

Hangar6 14th Jul 2013 12:06

Ba Dub
 
No crew ex LHR , systems issue again same as last Sunday , no issue with seats on later flights but customers are upset ! Couple even ended up in BHD last nite due another disrupted BA flight

Bmi-fan 14th Jul 2013 14:07

British Airways - 2
 
Thanks hangar6, figured it was nothing to do with the Ethiopian 787 dramas from Friday still affecting things.


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