Yes.
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Ryan 787
 

did search but nothing come up.
It appears Ryan has ordered 787's to start services across the pond at the end of the decade

AUC report on mishandled baggage based on AEA data available from their site, here.

Ryanair claim 0.5 per 1000 (and it's not known how they arrive at this figure, it is simply a claim that appeared on their website) then it's a factor of ten below the best reported by the AEA (Air Malta, 4.4 lost per 1000. AEA average is 15.7).

Interestingly, Ryanair claim that the AEA "confirm Ryanair is No.1 for customer service", including baggage loss, punctuality and least cancellations (read it here). As Ryanair are not members of the AEA and do not report to them, claiming that the AEA have confirmed Ryanair as anything is a blatant lie. The AEA and AUC do not include Ryanair in their comparison with other airlines, other than mentioning Ryanair's unsubstantiated baggage loss claims in the context of expecting lower losses on point-to-point flights.

If you have specific knowledge of FR not following safety requirements, surely you have reported this knowledge to the relevant bodies, who will no doubt act upon this knowledge.

We have. They don't. Thats the IAA for you.

Didn't O'Leary call the AEA an 'unelected QANGO'?
If you can't beat 'em, make something up!!:D

I'll say it again. The ryr pilots file report after report after report of the safety breaches. The IAA do nothing. So the pilots query the lack of action. The latest official response that I have seen, from the head of the IAA, is that our claims our unfounded as we are (and I quote) "troublemakers."
Do this really have to be spelt out? The front-line troops, those in the position to see at first-hand the repeated safety breaches practiced by the company, report these to the safety regulator, who then, not only point-blank refuses to investigate the allegations, but resorts, in official communications to petty name-calling.
So yes, I have specific knowledge of ryr safety breaches, as do the rest of my colleagues. I have reported these, as you so helpfully suggest I do, and my safety regulators response is that I am a "troublemaker." Have you an other suggestions?
By the way, the IAA has recently been criticised by both the CAA and Italian AA for, respectively, tardiness with incident reports and for failing to investigate a serious incident.
Surely it's obvious to even the most blinkered ryr supporter that there is gounds for, at the very least, a very very thorough investigation of ryr by an independent body. Although it probably isn't obvious, as the armchair experts on this forum seem to know the situation better than any pilot. :rolleyes:

Ryanair are not shown on the list of potential buyers. There are quite a few aircraft allocated to 'unidentified' buyers. However, I cannot see FR being in there. Being 'unidentified' doesn't make the news. And we know they will do anything to be in the news, even if it's for the way they treat disabled pax. :D

Are Boeing still be prepared to sell them any new aircraft ? No doubt they will remember how MOL announced to the world how he shafted Boeing over the 738 deal ? :ugh:

Micko has ordered nothing. The trans-Atlantic story is, for many reasons, pie in the sky stuff for the moment. The announcement was to distract the media and everyone else from the real story of Mickos present: the fact that he's gotten himself into deep $hit with Aer Lingus. The investors were pis$ed at his egotistical solo run to begin with and the mood is unlikely to be improved by the costly failure it appears set to be.

Firstly, I think it was made quite plain thet any transatlantic venture would not be by FR but by a different entity.

Secondly, I doubt FR shafted Boeing, more a case of agreeing sales during a buyer driven market period.

Mini

Perhaps you a right. But it takes a fool like MOL to announce to world how he shafted Boeing. I guess he'll have to shaft Airbus next time. Nobody likes to get shafted twice :=

Don't know about shafting Boeing, at the time FR made their big order just after 9/11 you could argue that they came close to saving the company.

Attn mods

This thread should be lost, or merged with the FR thread.

Regards

Mike

If as Camelhair claims there are so many safety breaches at FR, then why is he still working for that company. Not to mention all the other pilots that he says are filing safety violation reports.

I seem to recall a senior exec of FR's main UK-based rival saying (after they'd chosen their new fleet) that, on the basis of the price they were offered, whilst they preferred on aircraft operationally, they pretty much had to go with the other one as they (the directors) would have been open to charges of not looking after shareholder value had they not gone with the cheaper deal. Again, maybe not what a manufacturer would like a customer to be spouting on with but such comments are clearly not confined to the Irish.

Some bells ringing about a large antipodean carrier crowing about the deal it got on some 738s in late-2001, also.

Err...money?
Food?
Shelter?
:ugh:

Mike, thanks, the thread will be reviewed shortly.
For the moment.. members may continue to post.

Thank you
AA&R Moderators.

In before this thread gets "moderated".

Back to the original point of the thread, although the chances are pretty slim of this happening, I wonder how would FR sell these flights.

Euro 0.99 + Taxes and handling charges?
50 Euro per bag?

Erm, because there aren't any other airlines who recruit pilots, pressumably?

Please, can we just move on from this pointless debate? If you dislike FR so much, move jobs, fly BA. However, for some of us, (the naiive ignorant ones), Ryanair has revolutionalised our travel patterns and provides us with something the legacy carriers never did before.

Agree to disagree? No doubt we'll have this same debate in a few months and I'll bloody well look forward to it!! However for now, shall we get back to the old rumours and news?

Perhaps posters should read MOL's remarks before getting too carried away.
He said he planned to launch a seperate entity AFTER he quits FR in 3 years time. Nothing has been set up, no orders placed AND it's dependant on hull unit costs dropping after the current surge in demand andthe Open Skies deal being finalised and ratified.
Interestingly MOL rules himself out of the CEO job for the new entity if it ever happens and he talks of no interlining and operating a premium business cabin which is very different to the current beast.

Wrong again!

Ryanair didn't revolutionise air travel, it was SouthWest Airlines boss Herb Kelleher who did that. And he at least did it with grace and good humour by all accounts. His passengers and staff are happy with the service and treatment they get.

Your problem is you actually believe your own propoganda!

What O'Leary did was to filch the SouthWest LoCo model and turn it into a pointlessly nasty and relentlessly exploitative get rich quick scam.

What you really mean to say is 'I only want to read good news and positive spin about FR please'. :D

Well BA soon dropped GO airlines, The worst thing they ever did
and I would rather get back to the main thread as Ryanair have
just announced another Three routes, by the way how many new
routes has BA announced in 2007 ????

Dropped three routes at the same time.

hmmmmm, in some other threads you or your friends claimed that they get no money or not enough money. In this thread you claim that FR fly unsafe and you need the money (that you do not get, referring to the other thread).
What now?

where's leo these days? I miss his rants.:confused:

No, I am not wrong. I said Ryanair has revolutionised our travel patterns, meaning this side of the atlantic. As all my recent comparisons have been against BA, this was surely obvious- Southwest offers a slightly different model and operates only in North America- you can clearly see I am not from the US (neither are most people in this discussion), hence it is FR and NOT Southwest who have revolutionised OUR travel patterns.

And please stop it with the conspiracy theory, propaganda idea. Lower fares for me, the consumer, in return for less assistance when a flight is cancelled and a lower standard of in-flight service is a good trade-off. This is hardly propaganda, this is what customers want. The option of the full-service carriers is still there and people still have the choice to fly such carriers, however people like myself have voted with our feet (excuse the horrid cliche). You simply can't argue with recent passenger growth! This can only indicate that FR are providing SOMETHING consumers want in the industry.

Are you currently seeking another job at another carrier then, Maxalt?

Ryanair-5
 

Wrong again, Maxalt. It was neither Ryanair nor Skywest who revolutionised air travel.
It was Freddy Laker.

All wrong it was the Wright brothers

So how many new routes have BA announced so far
in 2007? I must have mist your reply:hmm:

"British Airways is to start new routes from London Gatwick to Port of Spain in Trinidad and Tobago, Dresden in Germany and Sarajevo in Bosnia and Herzegovina from March 2007."
Plus several from London City.

Ah, so safety is "pointless" now. Please explain why this is so?

This old chestnut yet again. If I move, I merely postpone the day that ryr's low standards come to get me, as others are forced to adapt to compete. So now's the time to stay and fight for an improvement which will benefit all. Do you always run away yourself when the going gets a bit tough?

Touche.

What exactly do we disagree on? Do you disagree that ryr is less safe than other carriers? If so, do you disagree that safety breaches occur with monotonous regularity? Do you disagree that the IAA are unable to regulate with the robustness required? Or perhaps you simply disagree as you don't like what you're reading?
The only thing I'm agreeing is that your head is in the sand. If you want to continue to support a poorer safety culture and a poorer record than most other western carriers, that's your decision. However, don't try to imply that those who know and care are wrong.

Janus,
Ryr don't pay enough money, but I need what they do pay. Running away won't solve the problem as everyone else will be undercut in time. The attitude of ryr management produces both problems: excessive greed which precludes proper pay and promotes corner cutting.

OK Mr donttellthepax, it's spelled "missed" and for those numpties comparing Ryanair and BA in this excuse for a willy waving contest, they should know they are comparing apples and oranges.
If you need THAT analogy explained to you then God help us all........

You can tell who the spotters are on this tread :p

I find all this more than interesting, keep it going:D

How can BA and FR be compared?

BA operates from the busiest interational airport in the world...FR have airports PAY them to serve there! (Derry)

BA offer complimentary in-flight meals with drinks, while FR charge rediculous prices for food and drink.

BA operate out of Heathrow and Gatwick, and therefore cannot start routes 'willy nilly' as the airports are slot constrained. FR fly to airports where they may be the only scheduled carrier, and can therefore pick times that suit their schedule.

Comparing a National Carrier and a foreign LC airline really isn't worth it.

Try FR v EZY:}

Ryanair and Wizzair
 

Last week, Ryanair announced that they are binning HHN-Krakow, which competes to a large extent with Wizzair's HHN-KTW.

Today, Ryanair announced that NYO - Gdansk will be dropped. Wizzair have been operating the route since the end of 2005.

As far as I can remember, Ryanair are not in the habit of dropping routes with direct competition (as Easyjet, Aer Lingus, bmiBaby, TFly and many others will testify). So what is going on here?

Have Ryanair finally found a rival who can compete on price? (Although I imagine that Wizzair's labour costs may well be lower, surely the current cost of leasing and Ryanair's greater economies of scale must tip the balance in their favour)

Or, is there something more sinister afoot?

Wouldn't that be ironic!

In their self instigated race to the bottom, FR may eventually be defeated by carriers that can operate in even cheaper environments then they do.

I shudder to think what the final result will look like, but at least O'Leary will get a poke in the eye. The image of FR being slagged off as bloated and wasteful by some future Chinese LoCo tycoon sure tickles me.:hmm:

Isn't Bonderman an investor in both airlines, perhaps Wizzair will be the new takeover target for Ryanair ?

Wizzair are the only low lost airline to stick to secondary airports, Charleroi, Beauvais, Skavsta etc. It would be just like O'Leary to confuse the whole EI takeover issue by lobbing in another takeover in the middle of it.

I think the unidentified order about 30 B787 is for AA! So we can be shure that MOL isn't involved into it :rolleyes:

Would be a good buy for FR, but there would be alot of alterations to do, especially with crew for the chane of Airbus to Boeing.

and continental,,,
which needs to be considered when looking at ryr going to the US because ryr is now the largest shareholder in aer lingus.
The European commission on fair trade has made it clear that they are unlikely to allow ryr to acquire aer lingus.
So now where does this leave MOL.
It leaves him holding a large amount of shares with his main competitor out of Dublin. So now what does he do. Support his arch rival and maintain the value of the share, shares that where purchased with money that does not belong to him, shares that where purchased without the knowledge of the board of directors and principle share holders in the US and London.But by supporting them he undermines ryr and thus but pressure on the ryr share price. so what else...
F*%k it he says lets off load them.
Well now Mick, me thinks you have a bit of a problem there. This would have to be done even more secretly
than when he purchased them, for the slightest hint that he intended to sell shares would send them to-wards where-st he came from. And even if he does keep it quite the fact that he is trying to off load 25% of the shares well,,,, if you where a share broker what would you offer him. oh i don't know lets say 75 cent,
so 1.4 billion spent on shares at the purchase rate 2.50 (i think) and sold at 75 cent. Do the maths folks,.
Mick has dug himself a big hole and there isn't anyone is gives a f*%k about him enough to throw him a life line..
RYR will not be going to the US. RYR will not be purchasing aer lingus and all that money that mad Micky boy has spent on aer lingus might as well have been pissed up against the wall.
And david bonderman had no idea he was doing it,,,,,,

Yet MOL is still one of the greatest CEOs in any industry of his generation.