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T2 lounges
I realise with only Flybe left there was every reason to close the Business lounge and I noticed last week that they will not accept Priority Pass (understandably).
Any inside knowledge of a change of policy or will us PP SLF FF have to wait till a on " non budget" Airline moving to 2 before the lounge reopens and carry on using the bargain Boots £3.49 for a sandwich,snack and drink! ps. (great news that EK will have their dedicated lounge in 1-well overdue!) |
A few questions with regards to the lounges; according to the BHX homepage, it states that AF and KLM passengers now have their own lounge in T1 now theyve moved over. Does anyone know where it is located, as T1 has only ever had an Aviance and Servisair lounge for as long as I can remember?
Which lounge do Swissport premium passengers use? Do they have an agreement with either Servisair or Aviance? Also, does anyone know where in the international pier the EK lounge will be situated, and will this be availible to any other passengers, or purely opened for two flights? Cheers |
Ryanair winter 2009/10
It seems the existing bhx routes are now loaded with exception of Pisa
which at the present time is a Pisa based aircraft. The rumour is 5 - 6 based this winter but the reality at the moment is four some days but only work for three on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays. I have only checked one week in November and things have to be taken with a pinch of salt. At the moment compared to last winter: - Dublin - one flight less a day Biarritz - the same at 2 a week Perpignan - suspended - loss of 2 flights a week Bologna - 2 a week same as last year Pisa - Not known Malaga - four a week from daily Alicante - four a week which is the same (daily at present) Murcia - three a week which is the same FUE - none compared to three a week until 31/1/09 Palma - suspended compared to three a week (nil some weeks in 08) Reus - three a week down one from four Girona - four a week up one Bratislava - three a week, the same as last year (none in Feb/Mar09) Krakow - three a week down from four (nil some weeks in 2008) Katowice - three a week down from 3/4 Gdansk - two a week down from three BZG & RZE stay at two which are the same Szczcin - nil down from two Kaunas - the same at two a week Stockholm NYO - three a week down from four Oslo TRF - three a week same Billund - three a week the same Weeze - four a week down from six (four already) Hahn - four a week the same Shannon - daily the same Weeze, Hahn, Girona, Shannon and two Dublin's are operated by non-based aircraft and possibly Pisa. Possible schedule: - Monday 1) DUB ??? BZG 2) ALC PRG AGP 3) KTW LDY OPO 4) KRK BIQ BLG Tuesday 1) DUB BTS TRF 2) GDN BLL ??? 3) REU LDY MJV No flights for a fourth Wednesday 1) DUB LDY RZE 2) ALC PRG AGP 3) KRK KUN 4) ??? NYO ??? Thursday 1)DUB BTS TRF 2)REU BLL ??? 3)KTW LDY MJV No flights for a fourth Friday 1) DUB NYO BZG 2) ALC PRG AGP 3) ??? LDY OPO 4) KRK BIQ BLG Saturday 1)DUB BTS TRF 2)REU BLL ??? 3)GDN LDY MJV no 4th aircraft Sunday 1) DUB LDY RZE 2) ALC PRG AGP 3) ??? KUN 4) ??? NYO ??? Usual winter suspensions - PIS, MRS, TRS, TPS but Palma & Perpignan have been added this year assuming they come back. Just one increase and that is Girona! Pete |
RYR
No wonder they have made one of the Dublin flights BHX based, it is to give them something to do.
Without the addition of some other routes the programme is very thin, you could almost fit that into 3 aircraft with some rescehduling. Winter BHX pax figures awaited with baited breath. Centre cities |
Ops1978
I cant see a 4th H/A coming in just to handle 1 airline that more than likely will collapse within month. Just doesnt make sense.
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Aegean MAN-ATH
StoneyBridge Radar wrote
...but via BRU with a Flybe connection. Daza |
There's a rumour that the BHX Runway Extension has been put on the back burner with the completion date now a distant 2016!
If true, CEO Paul Kehoe should take the time to explain just what is going on and, particularly, whether the reason is lack of finance or second thoughts on the requirement for the extension. After all the hard work and energy expended on finally getting the Planning Permission approved in full, it would be a tragedy if the project was allowed to lapse by a policy of kicking it into the long grass. :uhoh: |
Aegean/FR
If you check the Aegean website the flight is operated in codeshare with SN Brussels not Flybe. The flights have SN and A3 codes As for FR no surprises there, despite all their positive PR spin and bluster they are being affected by the economic slowdown especially as a lot of their pax are discretionary travelers. With the strength of the Euro as well its no wonder there are route cutbacks. Aircraft number five at BHX by Dec, I very much doubt it and am not even sure about next summer either unless they have a major trick up their sleeves or there is a major improvement in the economic situation. Considering the route cutbacks at some other airports, best be thankful for what we have got. |
I think trying to get £25 million from the local council would have had the rate payers up in arms at a time when very large cuts in UK public spending are coming our way, it will have no effect (no runway length increase) on the only area that BHX has seen growth = Ryanair
I would not be surprised if BHX revenue from airlines has fallen this past year with a number going bust or reducing based aircraft and Ryanairs start up sweetheart deal. A big increase came from our Eastern European guests, but anyone knows they spend nothing on board the aircraft and even less in the terminal, the massive increase in medium and longhaul flight APD will deter many from flying long haul from the UK, its now far cheaper to fly from AMS/CDG and will be come more so as the APD is due to rise further and the pound should start to pull back against the Euro. |
Hellinic Imperial birmingham post today:
Birmingham Post - New Jeddah airline link announced |
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I think trying to get £25 million from the local council would have had the rate payers up in arms at a time when very large cuts in UK public spending are coming our way, it will have no effect (no runway length increase) on the only area that BHX has seen growth = Ryanair As far as other remarks are concerned regarding frowth in the immediate future, then I can only concur - the West Midlands is not an inbound tourist destination - Visitengland, or whatever they're called these days has seen to that - they think that England is basically London, plus, at a push Stratford and York!! Therefore passenger traffic relies on business travel, which will be depressed in todays economy, and leisure, and with sterling languishing against the euro combined with the recession the latter is going to struggle. |
All we need now is for our Regional Development Agency, Advantage West Midlands to hand over their promised £25 million and we're off.
Could the Minister call in the application for a revue at this late stage? The above was a quote from some weeks back There were a lot of projects floated off the back off the back of Blairs Fantasy land "things will only get better" that will not now happen and i think a longer runway at BHX is one of them, like wise F1 at Donninton Park |
US Air PHL
The first flighthas arrived and departed.
BHX article states over 70% full on the outbound. 2009 Press Releases Good coverage in the local press. It has a very short time to prove itself with 5 a week and a seasonal end date of late September. If nothing else it should pick up a lot of BHX Florida pax. Pete |
Originally Posted by INKJET
(Post 4924614)
All we need now is for our Regional Development Agency, Advantage West Midlands to hand over their promised £25 million and we're off.
Could the Minister call in the application for a revue at this late stage? The above was a quote from some weeks back There were a lot of projects floated off the back off the back of Blairs Fantasy land "things will only get better" that will not now happen and i think a longer runway at BHX is one of them, like wise F1 at Donninton Park |
Extension
Does anybody out there know how long planning consent lasts.
Just my opinion but the reaction to the granting of the extension by BHX was not what I expected, seemed a little luke warm Centre cities |
Centre Cities
I read somewhere that work must begin within 4 years from the date a planning application is approved. I agree with you about the reaction to the granting of the extension application being somewhat low-key but at the time I put it down to the on-going redundancy programme taking precedence - now it looks as if Paul Kehoe's priority may be the bottom line rather than growth. :( |
Just because Hellenic have a fleet of B747s for their ACMI work, doesn“t automatically mean that they intend to operate the type on their planned schedules to Birmingham, Casablanca and Jeddah. I would imagine they will buy or lease suitable equipment for the job.
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I have asked Mr Chowdury personally - the guy who is behind the hellinic - jeddah route. He said that the 747 will be used on this route.
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And the 747 is on the slot requests with ACL
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It is definetly four times a week BHX - Athens with with a 747, two of the flights connecting to Jeddah
There are meetings from people from BHX in Athens today. BHX5DME |
April Passenger Figures
716965 - up 1.5% Rolling 12 months - 9487706 up 2.1% |
Official HT Schedule
ACL to be changed, if not already - all local:
DAY 6 ATH 18:20 BHX 20:00 HT269 DAY 6 BHX 22:00 ATH 03:00 + 1 HT270 DAY 7 ATH 05:00 JED 0800 HT341 ACFT THEN DOES JED-ATH-XXX-ATH-JED DAY 1 JED 10:00 ATH 13:20 HT342 DAY 1 ATH 15:20 BHX 17:00 HT269 DAY 2 BHX 22:00 ATH 03:00 HT270 May change subject to bookings after months. Lay over in BHX Day 1 No connection BHX-ATH-JED |
What awful timing for a long weekend in Athens!
Who wants to arrive in Athens at 03.00 (unless you are transferring to Jeddah!) At least Turkish have day flights both ways to IST. |
1st. Athens airport is used to get to other destinations in Greece, Mainly the islands and thessaloniki so it is actually good to arrive at 3.00am for morning flights.
2nd.I don't think this route is aimed at people who want a long weekend. 3rd.Why are you comparing it to Turkish? |
I would have thought that 5 years was the maximum period Permission can be left without use and then it expires.
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HT
Caveman - These times quoted are they just slot applications? I see that BHX-ATH is just two days a week, (Mon and Sat) is it still confirmed as 747 or is another a/c type to be used?
PS What does ACL mean? |
What does ACL mean? |
Hellenic's booking website going live on Monday
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Gayfriendly:
Just read on another forum flights now on sale on the carriers website confirmed as a B747, they have no other acft and have no plans to lease in i hear. BHX-ATH BHX-JED |
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Helenic Airways
Amazingly flights are now on sale!! Lets hope it is successful at least its only twice a week and the service is very reasonably priced. First inbound ATH-BHX on Saturday 30 May 09
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Mahan Air
Im not sure if this has been posted but here is the schedule for the return of Mahan Air to BHX on Wednesday 1st July 2009. All times are at BHX.
Wed 1045 0900 W5 5019/20 313 Thu 1130 1000 W5 5019/20 313 Sat 1045 0900 W5 5019/20 313 Sun 1130 1000 W5 5019/20 313 At least airlines are still showing interest in BHX!!:ok: Daza |
315GBP for the cheapest web return with Hellenic to Athens - not cheap in my opinion but if you do the journey I suppose its better than the trip via LHR? Fingers crossed all works out with this operation, isn't it ironic that in one of the toughest years for the aviation business BHX bags flights to IST, PHL, THR and now ATH & JED, someone in the BHX marketing team is doing something right......:ok: Lets hope the AI rumours are correct too just to finish off with a bang!
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Bhx-ath
Gayfriendly, I do travel regularly from UK to Greece and unless you travel Low Fares (I include Olympic their service can be terrible) remember with the multitude of add-ons this bumps up the "reasonable" headline price. I like to take hold baggage and have an allocated seat then you have to pay at least £290-300 plus. Plus I wont have the added cost of travel to London.
As you say I have been amazed how many new airlines have seen BHX as a viable option in this present climate. As I have previously posted BHX vastly under serves our region and maybe the locos add ons and long car journeys are just too much for cash strapped travelers. Maybe people are now willing to fly from an airport near where they live? Daza |
Thanks Daza for the info, when you put it that way then yes Hellenic are offering a good price, I had no idea that others charged that much - then again I can fly to Muscat for not much more and its twice the distance. If the price is as competitive as you say hopefully it will catch on - what worries me is how many travelers to ATH (or indeed other destinations served from BHX) will still fly via LHR or MAN because they are not told or are not made aware of a BHX option. OK, schedule and price are deciding factors, lets hope its promoted properly.
I fly three times a year to/from Muscat and when asking some travel agents in my home town (Kidderminster) for flight times and prices I have to specify BHX otherwise they offer MAN or LHR first even though they are aware that EK serve Brum! :ugh: Does BHX do much in the way or direct marketing to Travel Agents I wonder? |
Is there really that much leakage of pax to MAN? The biggest hinderance for BHX is LHR; when AA stopped the BHX-ORD service, I seem to remember one BHX business passenger who used it quite regularly bemoaning the idea of having to go to LHR when it would be have been as convienient to use MAN-ORD?
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As GF says, the biggest problem is that people just accept the fact that they can't fly to wherever from BHX. When given a flight from MAN or LHR they just accept it.
Even a transfer in Paris or Amsterdam is preferable to the trip down to LHR etc. More publicity would help, from both the airlines and the airport..... |
Gayfriendly
I fly three times a year to/from Muscat and when asking some travel agents in my home town (Kidderminster) for flight times and prices I have to specify BHX otherwise they offer MAN or LHR first even though they are aware that EK serve Brum! Me too-but the EK connection is awful -arriving in MCT at 03.45 and it is more expensive, generally, than daylight flights changing at BAH with GF. My ideal ( other than flying out from BHX) would be a day flight without plane change both ways. Perhaps Oman Air and BA could do code exchange or maybe, as Oman Air are looking to open up new routes with their new A330's thay should look at BHX!:) |
Well, if Hellenic Imperial are really intending to operate the ATH-BHX-ATH sectors with a B747, I have grave doubts that the route will ever be profitable. Consequently, I for one, wouldn't risk parting with my money to advance book with them. I'd be too worried they've already quit the route by the time my departure date comes up, and I wouldn't be too confident that I'd ever see a refund! But, good luck too them! I won't make any excuses if they prove me wrong and are still flying the route (with B747s) two years after they begin service.
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