736 can easily reach the Canaries, don't know where you got that from.

Regards

Mike

All routes released so far fit into one based aircraft. Whether that means timetable for aircraft 2 is yet to be released, or it isn't coming, I don't know.

Here is the timetable for aircraft one:-

MON - AGP, PMI
TUE - FAO, JER
WED - AGP
THU - PMI, ALC
FRI - TFS, JER
SAT - PMI, AGP
SUN - FAO, ALC

Today's Evening Gazette posted front page story about potentially losing the Heathrow link.

The web link below also has a news story video and interview with airport manager Hugh Lang about it:

http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/te...4229-19633918/



Who leaked the story then? :D

There's gonna be an article on bmi-LHR being under threat on BBC Look North in 10-15 mins, but I think it's to do with landing fees rising by up to 70% as opposed to bmi wanting the slots for transatlantic routes.

Well the article has just been on and it would seem that a lot of people are doing all they can to keep the service, and they're not gonna let it go without a fight.

They really do not have to do much, either buy more tickets or put up some cash. If it cannot be operated profitably then it cannot be operated at all. It really is that simple.
YS

DTVAirport, how you can say that Mahon and Jersey are the weakest I don't know as your 'meeting' with Aviance was before both of them started. As for Jersey, it was a very strong service when bmibaby operated it, even in the winter!

As for next summer, everything fits into one aircraft so far, but why would Palma go from 2 to 3 a week in early July? Unless we are to get a trial route (Geneva maybe from January continuing into June?) that would cover the initial period until the extra Palma starts.

Yea it was before both of them started but Aviance are still informed of how the routes are selling, plus, I'M not saying that they are the weakest, I'm saying AVIANCE are saying they're the weakest, what Aviance says and what I think are two different things entirely! Scott man, you're supposed to be an ally not an enemy! Quit fuelling the fire!

He's not fuelling any fire...were just trying to make out what your saying and what you actually mean because sometimes they can be two different things! :ugh: Plus, sometimes you have no idea what your talking about no offence :) Aviance maybe just telling you that, they may not always tell you the truth...come on, think about it!

BMI of course !:ugh:

I doubt the leak would be BMI, far more likely one of the local government ,civil service jobsworths on the periphery, trying to drum up a bruhaha against the CAAs proposed new charges.Its the usual North/South divide issue.
Turning to GSM whats happened to the Pula, Nice, Minorca and Ibiza flights next Summer?.They appear to be missing from the article in tonights local rag

Evening all,

I've just discovered some old MME timetables in my room, covering the Summer 1999 season, through to the Summer 2001 season, so I thought it would be a good idea to compare back then, with todays flights.

Instead of using the number of weekly rotations on a particular route, I've used the number of flights, i.e. outbound/inbound, so if you want to know the number of rotations instead of the number of flights, half the number of flights displayed, for example, Aberdeen in Summer 2000 had 38 weekly flights, meaning 19 rotations.

I compared each route for each season, and took the one with the most flights and/or larger aircraft and put them in the lists below. For the scheduled routes I combined the winter/summer seasons, for the charters, I kept winter and summer separate.

Scheduled:
Aberdeen (S00) 34=SH60 2=AT42 2=AT72
Amsterdam (S99) 40=F100
Belfast Intl (S99) 28=AT72 (2 departures via NCL, 12 arrivals via NCL)
Dublin (ALL) 14=B732Adv
Jersey (S99) 6=S340 2=E145
London Heathrow (S00) 86=B735/F100
Manchester (S99) 4=JS32
Norwich (S00) 2=AT72
Paris CDG (S99) 24=AT42

Charter (Summer):
Alicante (S01) 4=A320 2=B762ER
Barcelona Girona (S00) 2=B752
Bodrum (S99/S00) 2=A320 2=MD88
Dalaman (ALL) 2=MD88
Faro (S01) 2=A320 2=B733
Fuerteventura 2=B734
Ibiza (S00/S01) 2=A320 2=B752
Jersey (S01) 4=F100
Lanzarote (S01) 4=A320
Larnaca (S00/S01) 2=A320
Las Palmas (ALL) 2=B738
Mahon (S01) 2=A320 2=B752 2=MD83
Malaga (S01) 2=A320 2=MD83
Monastir (S00/S01) 2=MD83
Orlando Sanford (S00) 2=B763ER
Palma (S01) 8=A320 4=B762ER 4=MD83 2=A321 2=B752
Reus (S01) 2=A320 2=MD83
Rhodes (ALL) 2=A320
Tenerife South (S01) 6=A320 4=MD83

Charter (Winter):
Alicante (ALL) 2=A320 2=B752
Fuerteventura (W00-01) 2=B734
Lanzarote (ALL) 2=B734
Las Palmas (W00-01) 2=B738
Lyon (ALL) 2=A320
Palma (W00-01) 4=A320
Tenerife South (W00-01) 2=B734 2=B738 2=MD83

Analysis:
Of all the scheduled routes displayed above which still exist today, all perform better than todays except for Dublin which is about equal to back then.

Of all the Winter charters displayed, only three, the Alicante, Lyon and Tenerife South still exist today, with both Alicante and Tenerife at reduced frequencies. Also, other than those three there are no more this winter.

Once again, there are more Summer charters in the list above than there has been this summer, plus the ones above operated with larger aircraft, with Britannia practically basing a Boeing 767-200ER.

1999 seems to have been a very strong year for us, but after that, things started to slip - even before 9/11 - Aberdeen, Jersey and London Heathrow all suffered frequency reductions, Amsterdam was downgraded from 3x daily F100s to 3x daily FK50s, with Belfast Intl, Manchester, Norwich and Paris CDG all being dropped completely. Barcelona Girona could be our biggest single improvement, as we've gone from a 1x weekly B752 charter, to a 3x weekly B738W scheduled route. Fuerteventura is another route we've lost, as is Monastir, Rhodes, and Orlando Sanford - the latter was made direct for Summer 2000 after going via Glasgow Prestwick the year before.

Overall what we've lost in charter routes we're beginning to build back up in scheduled routes, mainly low-cost ones, but all that the above information shows, is something we all already know - there are lot's of proven routes which are no longer operated that should, and could be today.

One thing I don't understand is, today, with less flights and smaller aircraft, our annual passenger numbers are higher now than then? All I can think of is today we must have much higher load factors?

Regards,

Chris

Just a few note on your analysis.
1. The whole aviation industry was in a decline before 9/11. This was used as an excuse by most airlines to cuts routes and frequencies.
2. Gill Airways were the operators on the Aberdeen, Paris and the Belfast and I think the Norwich as well I think. Anyway these routes all went when they collapsed.
3. The load factors on these routes back then were probably lower, bear in mind though a return ticket to Belfast was around £150 return excluding taxes.

Would the passenger numbers include those on the now virtually daily big aircraft trooping flights. If so that would help to account for the increase in numbers

Would the passenger numbers include those on the now virtually daily big aircraft trooping flights. They finished in May.

EI-BTR
 

Yes I have seen your photo from EMA many times - great shot too.

I said does anyone have a photo of the OTHER aircraft - OO-TEH :=

I have photos of both OO-TEH and OO-TEK but they are unfortunately both prints and my scanner has taken a sicky:eek:

Great - well when your scanner is feeling better please let me know - it'd be great to see shots of those aircraft in BD colours again after all this time.

:)

Just seen on DTV website about the Fred Olsen doing a one off fly cruise package from DTV to Barbados in Dec 08, yes its a long way off and yes its only one flight but its good that a new company has chosen DTV to offer their services from the North East and have said its because of demand from NE based customers wanting such a service provided (guess they normally have to travel to MAN?) - it could lead to more I guess in the very long term!.

Aren't they offering a similar package from LBA?

I suppose not even Fred Olsen will know what airline/aircraft will be operating it yet will they?