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Sorry PoP, It has to be done. How can 1 small charter cause so much animosity. Why does a small minority want to put 30 pilots and 150 cabin crew on the dole. It does not matter for the flight deck as there are lots of jobs out there for qualified people, but what about everyone else. Cabin Crew, Ops, Engineering, etc. Is it too much to ask that a hardworking coalface in any company be left alone to prove themselves. 95% of the people in this industry do it cos they luv the flying. certainly not the wages. So what is wrong in supporting each other. And I am sorry, bu if you dont agree you need to get the F#ck out of flying and follow another path, like nose picking or gonad scratching.
Can everyone on this site have a very Happy and Safe New Year.
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Well it certainly took a while for another Flyjet post to be started, thought it would of happened a bit sooner.

All of us in flyjet, I fear, are part of a sinking ship! The new management are no better than the old and all they think is silverjet silverjet silverjet. No interest is shown in flyjet and they haven't even given it a chance to prove itself in the charter market. Come october next year, I fear flyjet will be gone!!:ugh: Afterall both 757's will have gone by then!

There seems to be a lot of negative talk regarding Flyjet, but what facts do those of you inside the company know. Has anything being said. If nothing has been said then how do you know that they are not going to invest in the fleet, get more aircraft, newer aircraft etc. I remember reading something that said that they have a chance to prove themselves and make money, is that not a fair chance to prove yourselves.
The SJ takeover has to be positive otherwise it appears Flyjet would not exist at this moment in time.
The only thing I would add is that if nothing has being said one way or another, then staff become uncertain, rumours become common place, a lot of negative talk occurs and staff can lose interest, thats what we are seeing at the moment. Therefore surely its in SJs interest to tell the staff its plans for this airline. Goodluck Flyjet.

Winter 2007/8
looking at the xl website flights are shown as XLA TBA from NCL.
nowhere does it have FJE?

I argee with lgwechobravo......all of us at LGW feel like this is the last few months of the base,the company havent told us anything about whats happening to LGW....but it doesnt look good as there isnt a flying programme and no aircraft from april....everyone is fed up and worried about their jobs!....most people are looking for other jobs...so good luck to everyone its been a pleasure to work with you all.

Not blowing flyjets trumpet but we do have some of the best crews I have ever worked with at Flyjet, at LGW, NCL and MAN. Good luck to all, stinks what management are doing and I would have been proud to help create a decent niche charter airline at Flyjet - given the chance! There is potential at LGW, with MAN and NCL keeping the company going presently, shame that writing is on the wall after the summer. And NCL only been operational for a year! Waste of investment really???

Do you feel that the management are deliberately keeping you in the dark, in order to create this unrest and hope that most people will leave on their own before they have to pay people off (if the company will cease)?
If so thats not a nice way of rewarding people!

...and by all means that that trumpet as loud as you can!

Shame if Flyjet do cease operations, they have made quite a concious effort up in NCL, with average OTP, although they still did come last in the league tables overall, however they have very rarely suffered from major delays at NCL. Pax reactions seem positive and the airline has provided extra jobs in the region. They make a nice change to the based charter units, usually NCL gets third rate airlines such as Scandic, Hola, Islandsflug etc

Good luck all at flyjet, hope everything works out!:cool:

They seem to be doing prity well for themselves atm, im sure there making lots of cash doing flights out of cph on EA, and still doing NCL flights on EB.

Manchester has a summer program starting in June, which is a busy program.

Im guessing but i would have thought that NCL wil be the other base rather than LGW. One reason for this could be its alot cheper f0r slots out of NCL than it is out of LGW.

In November we shall see if the a/c get sold on or there lease is renewed, tbh I think they will get rid, but they might replace these a/c with 737-8/9 ER's, although this is just me hoping they do get rid of EA/EB, us outside Flyjet/Silverjet will have to wait and see.

Here's GL for 07 for FlyJet! :ok:

Slots at NCL may well be cheaper, but is it not the charterer that pays for the operation? Not really sure how the arrangement between XL aviation and Flyjet is organised. Staff were under impression it was for 3 years, not 18 months when 757's EA and EB will be returned!!!!

As much as we all want FJE to suceed and last, new a/c is highly unlikely!

Are they to be retured? Or are the a/c avaiable to be re-bought, Or are they going to be broken up?

New a/c might not be as far as you might think, with Silverjet money behind them, they may let the lease run out on the 75's but this maybe because there are planning to get some 'newer' a/c. This from me is heresay, I wouldnt mind someone from flyjet, (maybe fje1 :ok:) to hopefuly ask the question to someone and then hopefully shead some light. As this thread as usual is all abit down atm.

Weve been told at Flyjet that both EA and EB are being returned at the end of the year,as they are being turned into DHL cargo planes,and about time too!!

well if they've told there staff EA and EB will return, thye must hav said whats going to be happening to fje in the future or else why wud anyone with the right mind stay with the company?

NCL1 - It would be nice if we WERE told something, however communication seems to be seriously lacking at the moment.

The last official communication we had was in November, to inform us that the offices were relocating to Luton. Since then nothing, and, since we can no longer drop into LGW for a chat, cynics might say that this was quite an adroit move.

There has been a web site set up specifically for the purpose of keeping us informed, I would suggest to our new lords and masters (who confess to reading this site), that it is fast becoming a question of 'use it or lose it' - ie. 'use' the channels available to communicate with us, or 'lose' a significant number of pilots.

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There has been a web site set up specifically for the purpose of keeping us informed

I too work for FJE and have not seen this website? Is it any good??? :confused:

EA & EB upto now may return early and newer aircrafts will join a manchester hub of upto 4 757's. charter in the summer ski winters.
nothing official as of yet. will update when info becomes fiction.

Winter 2006/7 has seen long haul trips go well with EA now reconfigured and more legroom on the a/c and minimal a/c problems.
EB has been working with the charter out of newcastle again with minimal problems.
not much info at this stage...
ex EC has preformed its first flight today to New York with passengers...:D

You're not looking at those 2 ex-Atlas 757s that Jet2 seemed to be having then had a change of heart at the last minute are you? Anyone know what caused the change of mind there?

does that mean 4 a/c based at man, 2 at man, 2 at ncl or new bases? hope it is true! be sad to see the end of flyjet!

A hub doesn't mean the a/c will only fly out of there, im guessing that is where they will base there a/c as Manchester has a good boeing maintaince hanger and cheapish parking fee's.

Ive also heard that EA and EB might be getting turned into DHL a/c at the end of the lease.So if Flyjet want 4, they will need another 2 on top of the ex-Atlas ones.

I dont think they will drop NCL they have done very well out of there over this winter, never mind last summer.

LGW seems to be abit lost on Flyjet.

The Mancehster summer program is supposed to start in June, but thats a bit of hear say to :rolleyes:

from what I know EA & EB will leave the fleet shortly to be turned into cargo aircraft. As I said not much info to give at the moment on whats going to happen will update.
MAN summer program will start in May the same program as last year upto now.
If aircraft do enter the fleet then new routes and recruitment will commence ASAP.

Any news on flyjets supposed new a/c - all to be based at MAN?

Any news on the status of LGW and their crews for the summer?

What work do FJE propose on operating from MAN using solely upto 4 based 757 aircraft?

So many questions that staff want answers too or atleast an idea of what is in the planning!? So far discussions have led us to believe that the only safe place for FJE staff is MAN, but what about LGW and NCL? Fine, concentration has been on the start up of Silverjet, but now it is up and running surely emphasis needs to be placed on flyjet, if they are to succeed on a successful charter brand??

yep ur correct info does need to be released, and I don't have any to give you.
I will push for it and see what I can get but all is hush hush as usual.

FJE1 in one of your post it says if aircraft enter the fleet, then new routes FJE will have to recruit ASAP.
Will the recruitment be handled by FJE or Silverjet and what is the current start pay for a type rated F/O? I am guessing that the salaries are the same for both FJE and Silverjet. I also assume - as per lgwechobravo's post - money, company commitment, backing etc etc is all going Silverjets way, so would they be the better airline to apply for, and is there any cross fleet flying for the flight deck crew?
Thks

Surely with all the niceities and frills of the silverjet launch over and done now, there must be some focus on the charter 'FLYJET' operation. Its now february, the LGW programme finishes soon (not to be operated again next year by all accounts) and again no summer programme. Jst one question,

What is happening with Flyjet???????????????????????

All this talk of a hub at MAN with 4 aircraft, no LGW and no NCL and loads of new tour operator contracts - what a load of tosh!

All the flyjet staff want is the some communication and some honesty!

I think FJE would be 'Pushing' running 4 Aircraft out of MAN??

They have had enough of a performance running 2!!

I would be sad to see FJE go onto the 'Shelf' As it is about time they had a 'Good' run of luck!!:D

It seems to me that Silverjet have 'buried' FJE without a service??:hmm:

Or they don't know (themselves) what is what....

Regards.;)

I could not agree with you more BYALPHAINDIA.

It does seem that the S'Jet management have forgot about flyjet and yes, it is about time we had some good fortune!

Most of the staff doubt the viability of 4 based aircraft at MAN, surely keeping NCL open with the current 3 year XL contract would make sense. As I've said before I think most of us at LGW have resigned ourselves to the fact, the end is near!

I think we all need to stop here and look at the fantastic job the NCL flyjet crews are doing. In my opinion they have kept the company going in the latter half of last year. Few delays and some good reports about them;

As ive said b4, and you either didnt read my post or understand it.

So if the a/c are doing nothing then Manchester is where they will be kept/based.

The start in NCL is to good not to carry on with, i think Flyjet know that.

O and no one has said that there wont be any flights out of lgw or ncl apart from yourself Lgwechobravo, although fje1 hasn't indcated that there will be any, doesnt mean that they wont be any...

As far as I understand all FJE flying out of NCL is for Excel. However, if you check out xl for winter 2007/08, the flight is operated by xl airways?

Have crews been told the base is closing or is it all rumour? If they haven been told, perhaps this needs clarifying

What a carry on!
 

It will be interesting to see if FJE will manage to crew the long haul trips to the end of the contract at the end of April. Crew are leaving by the coach load because we are fed up of being treated like mushrooms (kept in dark, fed on S**t). Silver Jet management promised that we would be fully informed with all developments, however we had two presentations to promote SJA but with no information about FJE, this just shows the way in which SJA treat people. We were also warned not to post on Pprune. The crew have kept to their word but have been let down by SJA who did not keep theirs - so we should see this as open season on SJA. Most of the FJE crew who have been interviewed by SJA have been refused a position with them. It appears that SJA had no interest in FJE esp LGW, they only wanted them to do the long haul contract which they were unable to get out of. The reason why they have not said anything to the LGW crew is because they realised if they say nothing most of the crew will walk so there would be very few of us left when the contract finished at the end of April (less redundancy)- How clever. Is this a way of treating people that have been loyal to the company, giving them no reasurance and frightening them in to handing in their notice as they are so worried about their jobs and paying rent/morgages after April? The few of us that are left will not stand for this any more and expect to be treated as adults that deserve respect - (Is this too much to ask for from SJA?)

sunny girl what else can I say to you but .... :D :D :D :D :D :D

The management have treated flyjet crews and staff like utter garbage!! Still to this day nobody knows what is happening. LGW crew are leaving by the shed load, as are NCL crew so I'm led to believe. No recruitment is happening, so the summer charter contracts are looking dodgy to say the least.

I thought (foolish I know) that SJE maybe wanted to make a go of a decent, well renowned charter operation. Well IMHO they'd have to change the name, it would be impossible to do it now. And 4 aircraft at MAN...please that will never happen.

FJE seem to have even given up on operating footie flights, subcharters etc - something we used to be heavily involved in! And the long haul, great for us crew - does it make money though?

sounds abit crap! What are the LGW crew going to be doing through the summer? is there to be a FJE A/C based at NCL and MAN through the summer? It does seem that they want to push you out before they have to pay you out, realistically why do they want staff based at LGW when there is no base there anymore, does seem a bit pointless, not that its the crews fault!
Best Of Luck, maybe its time to look for a new airline though! :bored:

Should be more or less the same with one a/c in Ncl and one in Man.

i was thinking that due to the a/c's but i read that there covering flights from xl at NCL so was wondering what this ment as in work wise or is it true about covering xl

I thought FJE had a union...and both FJE and SJE crews are on the same contract.

Flyjet advertising for cabin crew on Newcastle Airports website (taken from the brief description).

Flyjet seems to be a good charter airline. No major problems within the last 10 month that I can recall. Good luck to you all!!:ok:

WELL SAID SUNNYGIRL:ok:
You have said what the LGW crew are saying. GO GIRL:D

Upadte, EB back in MAN for some maintance. :)

Sunnygirl,

I have no idea of the background politics but as a Businessman i always ensure my staff are kept informed and well looked after. Threat them well and with respect and they (generally) will repay you.

Stick at it.