Ryanair - 3
 

Was just wondering if any of you in the know (MOL if you're listening) have heard if Ryanair (or anyone else) plan to open a DUB-AHO route in the future? AHO-STN is a very popular route, and I'm sure with so many Sardi living in Ireland it would be a viable option? I'd certainly use it anyway! :D

Grazie :ok:

Ryanair - 3
 

Ryanair's latest announcement of more new routes from Dublin has shuffled things up a bit. Most noticably the start date for Madrid is being brought forward. Currently Ryanair have 15 aircraft based in Dublin, and they are going to increase this to 19 aircraft to facilitate the new routes. Looking at the schedules for the new routes we have:

New Aircraft December 10
1234567 Madrid 0705-1245
1-3-5-7 Tenerife 0600-1505
-2-4-6- Fuerteventura 0600-1505
The timings don't make sense. Either the timetables of existing routes have been moved around, or else something like Madrid being moved to a later time of 1555-2135 will happen before the routes take off


New Aircraft December 19
1-3-5-7 Tampere 0730-1435, Oslo 1525-2015
-2-4-6- Friedrichshafen 0610-0925, Olso 1200-1650, Grenoble 1715-2210
Turin also starts December 20th, --3--6- 0650-1200, but I believe its introduction will come at the expense of existing routes. Regarding the scheduling of this aircraft, there certainly seems to be gaps on 1-3-5-7 and room for retimings on -2-4-6-


New Aircraft January 23
1-----7 Vitoria 0615-1105, Billund 1130-1600
-2---6- Seville 0730-1355, Almeria 1445-2115
--3-5-- Vitoria 0615-1105, Billund 1130-1600, Rzeszow 1650-2330
---4--- Seville 0730-1355
A good few gaps in the schedule here


New aircraft February 8
1---5-- Bologna 1335-1940 Alghero 1555-2215
-2-4-6- Malta 0705-1520, Pula 1335-1940
--3---7 Bologna 1335-1940 Trapani 1555-2315
Right now the timings don't make sense... They'll probably be changed, but at first glance it seems that there couldn't be any significant gaps with the frequencies/sectors involved.

So we can expect further new route announcements for Dublin I say. Or maybe the gaps will be used to increase frequencies on existing routes and a general reshuffling of various schedules. And don't forget Ryanair have also promised 7 more weekly flights for Berlin, 7 more for Rome, 3 more for Malaga and 4 more for Faro, as well as a new Stockholm route!
I'd expect a 20th aircraft will be necessary, with a schedule something like:
1234--- Malaga, Stockholm, Berlin
----567 Faro, Stockholm, Berlin
with maybe a new Rome based aircraft going to do the extra Rome flights.

Interesting times ahead: Dublin airport is gonna be jammers!! :ok:

I see the Canary Islands have been sqeezed into Ryanairs route map.

Charlie Roy & Virginblue,

Humblest apologies - I got my Bremens and Dortmunds confused.:\

Ryanair expand GRO base?
 

There is a rumors about next announce of expansion of Ryanair GRO base for next week.

GRO will pass from 3 to 5 plane based and will be new routes within Spain mainland and to Canary Island.

Anyone have more news?

Ryanair needs more space in Tampere
 

According to Finnish press (Tamperelainen), Ryanair is pushing for the development of Tampere Pirkkala Airport. Airpro, the subsidiary of Finnavia (the authority maintaining Finland’s network of airports and the air navigation system), has already prepared plans for the envisaged expansion of Pirkkala's Terminal Two, being used by FR only, but didn't actually put them into action. Wilhelm Hamilton, Ryanair's head of Nordic operations wants to speed up this process. - "In a few years we want to operate from here to some 20-25 destinations - he says. - "We do not need any sophisticated new buildings, but we need more space, particularly boarding gates there.

The local authorities say they have been waiting for the Ryanair's initiative before making some important decisions - "But we are very happy to hear from Ryanair as we too think there are more good airports in Finland, not Helsinki only. We want to act energetically". Ryanair and Finnish partners (Airpro, Finnavia and the authorities of Tampere and local district) are going to meet shortly to make the faster progress.

At present Ryanair flies to Tampere only. It is not interested in Helsinki-Vantaa. - "I just wonder how they can make a very costly renovation (in HEL) while the aviation business is in trouble. The marble floors and hardwood ornaments could become a memorial grave of 'old time' air travel - says Hamilton.

Thursday possible press conference of Ryanair at GRO, should be announced the expansion of Girona base.

One route should be announced is GRO-PSR.

GRO expansion
 

http://83.175.206.50/2006-09-22/dinero/dinero9.htm
This is a link to one of many articles (in Spanish, use Babelfish) that says that Ryanair will announce GRO to TFN this week.

Thinking back to articles I read some weeks ago, OPO and SDR are also on the cards. Anyway, all will be revealed Thursday according to this Italian (use Babelfish) article about GRO to PSR:
http://www.primadanoi.it/modules/bdn...p?storyid=5940


And now that the Spanish labour market is fully open to the new EU member states' citizens I would expect at least one new Polish destination (WRO and/or KRK), probably RIX aswell, and maybe KUN...

A new route to BNX?
 

I read that a new route will be annouced in October betwwen HHN and BNX

I have consulted a friend of mine from Finland (he works in the aviation business). In his opinion Finavia you have mentioned is only theoretically an independent institution. In fact there are very strong links between them and Finnair. They didn't dare to oppose a costly project (an extension to the international terminal at Helsinki-Vantaa Airport) because Finnair needs it and that is clear. It will be Finavia’s largest ever investment and will cost at least € 143 million but there aren't any problems with financing, it must be done.

With Tampere, despite the fact that the costs involved there would be (probably) 40 times lower, the financing will be much more problematic. As my friend formulates it: Tampere's terminal (No 2) is the only one in whole Finland that is NOT used by Finnair & Co and that will make things very difficult. Finavia will be very friendly and co-operative but offering no money. Maybe he is wrong, let's hope, but his point of view has some grounds I'd believe.
As far as I understand the local authorities truely want to help as they appreciate the significance of FR for the local businesses. Don't be too optimistic though.

By the way. Finland has one of the lowest penetration of low-cost carriers in the entire EU. To illustrate it: being only 40% less populated than neighbouring Sweden, it has only one true lcc (and some middle-cost ones) with just a few connections. That also proves something.

Ryanair admits make internal flights in Portugal next three years
 

David Gering, Ryanair director of marketing and sales for Benelux and Portugal, said 18 September that the company can do domestic flights in Portugal.
See the notice in http://www.negocios.pt/default.asp?CpContentId=282252 (in Portuguese, use Babelfish)

Girona
 

Bristol, Durham, Doncaster and Newcastle are rumoured from Girona.

Buster, Doncaster was announced in late June, it starts at the end of October.

Verona Brescia will be 18ª base
 

Verona Brescia will be 18ª base
Verona Brescia has 2 routes presently (GRO and STN)
The new routes are:
CRL - Bryssel S. Charleroi
EIN - Eindhoven
HHN - Frankfurt (Hahn)
LBC - Hamburg (Lübeck)
PIK - Glasgow (Prestwick)
LPL - Liverpool
LTN - London (Luton)
NCL - Newcastle
TRF - Oslo (Torp)
BVA - Paris (Beauvais)
SVQ - Seville
SNN - Shannon
NYO - Stockholm
VLC - Valencia
ZAZ - Saragoça (the Pyrenees)


Can see there

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caja

This is a glitch in the booking engine. It happened at the start of this year I think when Milano Bergamo was closed for a few days and all Ryanair flights were operating in and out of Verona Brescia.

Well it was only a matter of time - they're starting a twice weekly (Fridays and Mondays) service from Feb 2007!

It's little stories like that that just help make my day. A new Ryanair route that makes travelling home for someone a hundred times easier and cheaper :ok:

Oooh, TAP and Portugalia will be happy. I think the OPO-LIS route is their cash cow. Multiple departures in the day and never for anything less than about £165 return. And these flights are busy. I've opted for the more or less three hour drive each way in a day a few times (And then half way back to Porto on a rainy night wished I'd parted with £165 :ouch: ).

On the subject of OPO what's the chances of a route from EMA in the next round of announcements?

Much more Boeing 737 800 for Ryanair
 

Ryanair announced the order of a further 32 Boeing 737-800 series aircraft. These 32 next generation 737-800 aircraft are due for delivery between September 2008 and June 2009 and will facilitate double digit annual growth from 42M passengers this year to 84M passengers in 2012.

Ema-porto
 

I'd say Porto will become an important destination for Ryanair in order to tackle TAP and/or Portugalia, so along with Faro, I suspect Ryanair are going to enlarge their services to/from Portugal in the near, near future. :)
Therefore I wouldn't be suprized to see a EMA-OPO route announced over the winter season, they may wish to test the demand for travel to northern Portugal from their existing bases before possibly opening a new base there?????Lisbon is pathetically underserved by LCCs and while Faro in the south makes up for it somewhat, I see Ryanair expanding considerably at Porto.:ok:

Portugal
 

This article from a couple of months ago suggests that Porto will soon be made a Ryanair base:

http://www.fabricadeconteudos.com/?l...a36f30086ec37f

(In Portugese, use Babelfish)

Oh well then...there you have it!:D Ya i can definitely see EMA as part of this expansion:ok:

Besides maybe Porto, I wonder what other bases Ryanair will open over the Winter season??? I think the north-east of England is in with a shout. If you look at Ryanair's destination map, their nearest bases to the people of North-East England are Liverpool/EMA to the south and Prestwick to the north.....somehow i cant see any Geordies or the like trekking that far when they have easyjet and Jet2 on their doorstep @ Newcastle!:}

So what I was thinking was, with BMI baby after fleeing Durham Tees, the management of that Airport have been left with a gi-normous gap in their schedule and are losing goodwill and passengers to the nearbuy Newcastle airport. This, therefore would be a perfect oppertunity for them to offer Ryanair a good deal on landing charges and so on because any drop in charges they experience will be more then offset by the large amount of passengers that would be flowing through the airport.

Ryanair, however, have the oppertunity to grab a large slice of the nth-east market. I'm aware that they currrently serve more routes to NEW then MME but things may change!:}
These are the routes I was thinking of.....:

Rome-Ciampino
Stansted
Marseille
Carcassonne
Porto
Treviso
Seville
Valencia
Any other suggestions????

MME-HHN
MME-KRK
MME-BVA
MME-STN/LGW
MME-GRO
MME-GSE/TRP
MME-Cork
MME-Murcia

Hahn is definitely a possibility, I think they only serve Stansted from there (in England) so its certainly a possibility.:ok:

Ryan2000
 

Ryanair have a stubborn resistance to operating any new routes from Cork.
ORK-PIK is a no brainer now that Loganair have gone from ORK GLA and is more likely to happen that ORK-MME.

Anyone heard anything ?



The “Economy” inset of newspaper “Politis” refers to the interest that the Irish low budget airline, Ryanair, had shown for Cyprus. Despite CTO’s efforts for the ‘arrival’ of Ryanair in Cyprus.
http://www.stockwatch.com.cy/nqconte...w&ann_id=62457

Ryanair-Cyprus
 

I found this article in relation to the flights to Cyprus:

"Route development director Bernard Berger said: "Our flight length has been growing. We launched Dublin-Malta this month, which takes three hours 50 minutes. But our average sector length remains short. We may fly to Cyprus, although not necessarily from the UK. "

Here's the link: http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2006/09/21/1919404.htm

Portugal
 

The base in the Port will have to depend on the Portuguese State to raise the restrictions to the internal flights. These routes had been granted by means of public competition. The Ryanair intends to not only fly for the continent but also for the islands. The intended voos are:
Continent: Lisboa and Faro
Islands:
Madeira: Funchal and Porto Santo
Açores: Pico, Santa Maria, Faial and Ponta Delgada

what a shame...

On a slightly unrelated note, I remember earlier this year that OLeary claimed when he brought in the check-in charges for baggage that anyone not checking in baggage would save money.

I wonder could I sue him over this claim as it is just completely false. As a regular on the Dublin-Edinburgh run I used to pay about €80 to €90 going out on Friday and coming back Sunday and that included checking in up to 15kg of luggage. Now I pay, guess what: €80 to €90 but if I want to check in 15kg of luggage that will be €20 extra return. So an effective increase of €20. Gosh thanks for the saving Michael.

I also remember one pprune contributor saying that this is exactly what would happen in the long term. Once FR chase everyone off the routes they fly, they will charge what they like.

Mr Justice John Quirke stated
Perhaps Michael should apply this logic to the 11 euros charged for a gin'n'tonic with no ice or lemon. The Gerona based cabin crew suggested they only put the ice and lemon on the first flight of the day and when it's gone, it's gone!

Fail to see why Ryanair should pay the full amount given that they do manual check in for the majority of their flights. I appreciate why many people loathe O'Leary, but at the end of the day he seems to be the only one in this industry who stands up passionately about what he believes makes it equal & fair, even if some of his airline's service standards are not exactly to the high standards many of us have come to expect. He's allowing Europeans to fly more cheaply, so kudos to him & keep the good work coming!

And did you think that would mean "save money as against your CURRENT payment situation?" If so, I have to suggest politely that perhaps you were being a tad naive.

Not a chance, I'd expect. He never specified exactly what the 'saving' was against (and it's clear enough to an old cynic like me, that he meant "against the NEW fee structure coming into force"). You merely interpreted it incorrectly on the basis of your own hopes, and insufficient data.

Welcome to the world of 'marketing'. :hmm:

Eh? Am I missing something? You ARE checking in baggage, so how come you even EXPECT a saving? Of course it's a price increase! O'Leary said it was coming - you've even said so yourself in your first para!

Had you NOT been checking in baggage, then you would, in point of fact, be paying €20 less than someone who was checking in baggage, ergo, compared to them, you would be saving €20! What part of this is hard to grasp?

Highly likely. It's what all cut-price cut-throats do, and have done, since time immemorial. The reality of it is, though, there will always be SOMEONE willing to undercut the 'ripoff merchant' on any given service. So, given enough time, once RYR up their charges to a point past ridiculousness, some other entrepreneur will step in, and undercut HIM!

Repeat ad nauseum, to fade: "Big fish, little fish, gobble-gobble-gobble" :ugh:

But he has caused the T&C's in the whole industry to erode, so thank you Micheal your a star. :D :D :D :D

I am definitely not in the O'Leary fan club but in this case he is absolutely right. Airlines are screwed to the point of blackmail by airport operators. Why, as in the security issue, is he the only one to speak up over it?

OK Rev Thrust let's just say you are not just out for a wind up.

You appear to have some difficulty grasping (a) what I actually wrote and (b) sarcasm.

I believe I made my key point pretty clearly. But perhaps a re-wording would be helpful. When the baggage charges were being introduced MOL made it very clear that pax not checking in baggage would pay less than they were currently paying. Is there anything in that sentence that is confusing? If so please advise.

Clearly I am not in the business of suing MOL or anyone else. That was the sarcastic bit.

I do look forward to your comments...

I believe this is wishful thinking, Roger. I interpreted Molly's statements as quite the opposite, but perhaps that is because I am a cynical old sausage who treats most of the 'PR' given out by corporate execs to be nothing but flannel and cleverly-worded mis-truths designed to fool us unsuspecting public into believing we're getting a good deal, when in actual fact, we're about to get ripped off.

I believe in the marketing world they term it 'The Big Lie' (in all seriousness).

I expect, if you are able to lay hands on the exact words that Molly said, you'll probably find that it is worded in such a way as to be ambiguous, precisely with the intention that (unless your cynicism gland was at full strength and pumping), one might reasonably believe that one was getting a "new and good deal". When of course, the harsh reality (as we all now know, and you have found out first-hand), is that nothing's really changed, except that the baggage-checker-inners are being stiffed.

Ain't that always the way in this modern world, alas? :ugh:

Please don't take my use of the word 'naive' as an insult or nastiness... it really wasn't meant to be so, and I just couldn't think of another way to put it. Replace it with 'innocent', or 'trusting', or simply 'human'... it amounts to the same thing. The real trouble is that corporate execs are usually NONE of those things, and a lot more besides... we just need to expect that, I'm very sad to say. :(

Pax? (as in 'Peace?' rather than 'Passengers')

Although given Ryanair's record in court it could be quite lucrative! :)

OK Rev Thrust, benefit of the doubt I'd say for now....

By the way I (and I'm sure regular FR victims/customers will agree) was not really that surprised when the savings did not come through as promised. I was pretty cynical about this too but I do have optimist tendencies - although I can't imagine why.

Actually found this link with all sorts of promises made about this. Interestingly none of the important ones are kept: fare reduction of 9%, 15kg allowance (20kg promised), €10 each way (€3.50 promised), etc, etc.

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Ryan to fly to Iceland
 

It was stated in this months Icelandic Airline Pilots Association newsletter that Ryanair are going to start competing with IcelandExpress on the STN-KEF route. Also rumours they will start a new route out of Dublin to Keflavik, no one on that route now.

Ryanair would then also be competing with Icelandair (LHR-KEF) and BA (LGW-KEF). First foreign LoCo to fly to Iceland since GO did so the summer of '98. Any views?

Thumbs up from me if this is true. :ok:I think EZY should have started the route ages ago because GO's experience was quite good that summer. Hopefully IcelandExpress will survive.