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Hawk 14th Jul 2006 17:55

FlyGlobespan - 2
 
Previous thread here:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=195633

captaintrigger 18th Jul 2006 19:39

B787's for FlyGlobespan
 
Just announced!!!

flyglobespan has just signed a deal for 2 B787's for delivery 2010!!!

What fantastic news for such a fantastic airline!

This airline is going places!!

regards,

CT

PocaHostie 18th Jul 2006 20:47

FlyGlobespan B787's
 
Source is bonafide - Memo to all flight deck crew from the Chief Pilot & Flt Op's Director sent out today (18th July 2006).

Aircraft to come from ILFC in the Spring of 2010.!!

This is just the best news ever for Scotland, North of England and Stansted.!!! :ok: :ok:

jethro15 18th Jul 2006 21:16

In addition to the 2 B757's and 2 B767's already announced and yet to be delivered, any substance to the story that 3 further a/c of each type are currently being sourced for 2007?

jethro
UK and Ireland Airline Fleet Listings
http://www.jethros.i12.com

gatwicknose 19th Jul 2006 06:36

hold the party
 
Not wanting to rain on King Toms parade...but fuel prces are rising and 2010 is a long way off........the current economic climate is not exactly condusive to rapid expansion.....its all well and good for the market to be blowing the globespan horn of plenty...but as I said before Mr D isnt doing this for nothing!!!

Eff Oh 19th Jul 2006 08:04

GATWICKNOSE
Is there a reason why you are always slagging off GSM? In almost every thread on GSM you have something negative to say.

VOM1T 19th Jul 2006 08:24

Globespan flights to Canada.
 
"Specialist operator Canadian Affair has been taken over by Air Transat for £20.4 million"

Could it be that Globespan's primary market just got a bit less attractive as their exclusive supplier buys their major competitor ?

Ametyst 19th Jul 2006 08:31

It won't affect fly Globespan that muach as it has been rumoured that Globespan are ditching Air Transat for the Canadian programme in 2007. With Air Transat buying Canadian Affair the real losers will be Thomas Cook - UK and My Travel Airways who presently fly the UK - Canada charters on behalf of Canadian Affair.

webby1919 19th Jul 2006 09:06

Not a rumour - Air Transats contract with GSM will cease from 31 October 2006, with GSm taking over their own YYZ flights this Winter with their own B767s, until the B757s arrive next year. The flights will soon go on sale for GLA and STN shortly. Also, they are partnering with Flyzoom, with Zoom operating some of the flights and GSM operating the rest over Winter 06.

Also, with regards to the B787s, Mr D knows what he is doing Gatwicknose. Are you a disgruntled ex-employee? Cos I'm sure you have an issue with GSM doing well. These B787s were on the cards since 2005, where Mr D announced his intention to aquire these aircraft.

Sanjo 19th Jul 2006 12:33

that certainly sounds like exciting stuff...

all you have to hope now is that GSM will still be around by 2010, because with some of their route choices and the lack of clear business model, it certainly doesnt look like it.

just wondering how many of their last winter 05/06 routes have been dropped for this winter 06/07?? how much reassurance does this give you for their new winter routes?

sanjo

webby1919 19th Jul 2006 13:12

Well, Sanjo, FYI Winter 05 schedule for GSM:

GLA:
ALC daily, AGP daily, LPA 2 weekly, ACE 2 weekly, STN 2 daily, GVA weekly, BCN daily, TFS daily, PRG daily.

EDI:
ALC 2 weekly, AGP 2 weekly, STN 2 daily, GVA daily, PRG 3 weekly, BCn 3 weekly.

STN:
GVA daily, TFS daily.


Winter 06 is as follows:

GLA:
ALC/AGP/TFS/BCN daily, PRG 5 weekly, LPA weekly, ACE 2 weekly, FUE weekly, FAO 2 weekly, PMI 2 weekly, SFB 3 weekly.

EDI:
ALC/AGP/GVA/CMF daily, TFS 2 weekly, PRG 3 weekly, ACE weekly, FAO 2 weekly, PMI 2 weekly, BCN 4 weekly, MJV 2 weekly.

STN:
TFS/CMF daily.

LPL:
TFS/PRG daily.

MAN:
CPT 3 weekly, YYZ 3 weekly.

So, it would appear that their Winter 06 schedule is huge. This is not including the TFS based A/C that will operate ABZ and MME.

Sanjo 19th Jul 2006 13:52

Thanks for your kind reply webby

From what you say it looks like EDI is going to get an extra 38 flights (19 rotations) a week and GLA is going to lose 20 flights (10 rotations) a week, year on year. i count 4 routes dropped and quite a few new ones.

what is also very interesting is that 70% of the capacity increase is not for new routes but for existing ones that will be cannibalising your own revenue. for example:

increasing AGP from 2 weekly to daily...
increasing ALC from 2 weekly to daily and launching MJV on top etc etc

how much was GSM's profit last winter to be able to absorb such growth this winter?

webby1919 19th Jul 2006 13:58

The profit for Financial Year 2005 was around £5.5million, I think. They have never been in the red since the airline began operations. Some of the flights operate W pattern flights, ie. GLA-ALC-EDI-ALC-GLA, AGP, PMI, FAO, and PRG this winter operate W Pattern flights. Its a very good way of maximising the aircraft utilisation. I'm all in favour of GSM expansing, both from Scotland and from England and Europe. Lets face it, if they want to expand, they must look at other bases away from Scotland, such as STN/MAN/LPL/MME/TFS. They are intending to become Scotlands National Flag Carrier, so I'm sure that they will not forget GLA/EDI/ABZ. YYZ flights about to be launched from GLA for Winter 06 shortly.

dwlpl 19th Jul 2006 15:10


Originally Posted by webby1919
LPL: TFS/PRG daily.

There is room for a route to be flown 3*per week during the winter from LPL.

Prague 4*per week
Tenerife daily

webby1919 19th Jul 2006 15:12

PRG 4 weekly from end of Dec 06, my bet is that CMF will take care of the spare capacity from LPL.

holidaymax 19th Jul 2006 15:59


Originally Posted by webby1919
So, it would appear that their Winter 06 schedule is huge. This is not including the TFS based A/C that will operate ABZ and MME.

Does anyone know the weekly schedule for the TFS based equipment?

goldeneye 19th Jul 2006 17:52


Originally Posted by Ametyst
It won't affect fly Globespan that muach as it has been rumoured that Globespan are ditching Air Transat for the Canadian programme in 2007. With Air Transat buying Canadian Affair the real losers will be Thomas Cook - UK and My Travel Airways who presently fly the UK - Canada charters on behalf of Canadian Affair.

Not sure if Thomas Cook will be the a looser on this, as Canadian Affair has made alot of its profits from the 35" seat pitch in TCX east canada flights so they may keep that contrat, west coast canada may be the looser for TCX and MYT especially. Also Travelpack have contract for TS in UK now, along side the TCX & MYT Flights. And Thomas Cook holidays sell the Canadian flights too.

GW76 19th Jul 2006 18:01


Originally Posted by Sanjo
Thanks for your kind reply webby
From what you say it looks like EDI is going to get an extra 38 flights (19 rotations) a week and GLA is going to lose 20 flights (10 rotations) a week, year on year. i count 4 routes dropped and quite a few new ones.
what is also very interesting is that 70% of the capacity increase is not for new routes but for existing ones that will be cannibalising your own revenue. for example:
increasing AGP from 2 weekly to daily...
increasing ALC from 2 weekly to daily and launching MJV on top etc etc
how much was GSM's profit last winter to be able to absorb such growth this winter?

GLA has an overall increase this with potentially more to come.
Cannabalising own revenue ? ...eh no. The idea is that the best performing routes can potentially create more profits. If they dont increase to meet demand someone else will ie EZY.

gatwicknose 20th Jul 2006 06:28

Webby and Eff OH

I am not an ex employee of GSM nor am I disgruntled!! Simply adding a note of caution here...this thread is the lucky recipient of quite a bit of trumpet blowing...notably from WEBBY.....are you employee of the month...you speak in the third party but all of your posts take the form of small and reasonably detailed soundbites advertising the great current and future service that GSM is offering. I am more than delighted that GSM are doing well.....but as I said King Tom is in charge an will run roughshod over any expansion at a whim...there is absolutlely no-one in the organisation that would contradict him...senior staff either say yes tom or they are related!!! not a good situation... and before you say...yes I have met him more than once...this is why I have reservations!!!

HH6702 20th Jul 2006 11:56

NCL - YYZ summer 20007

does anybody know if it is going to be with Zoom or GSM then?

im hoping for Zoom!!


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