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jerboy 28th Jul 2008 14:29


I understand the Airbus will be operateing some Gatwick-Jersey services from next week.
The first few rotations are on 1st August (this Friday), should be nice to see some slightly less knackered looking planes down here!

Charlie Fox 31st Jul 2008 10:49

Jersey
 
Airport Director steps down after only two & a half years - any takers??

akerosid 31st Jul 2008 16:34

Sorry to hear this; he has done a terrific job. He'll be a tough act to follow.

J-Guy 1st Aug 2008 17:31

With regards to the BA frequency cutbacks, the late evening departure to Gatwick is dropped from the beginning of December until late February according to their timetable, with the last flight into the Island at 18:55 going to 20:00 again in late February.No drastic cutbacks on the face of it unless there are changes at a later date.

Also, any update regarding the future of Heathrow? There were supposed to be talks with bmi this week I believe, at least according to the news.

GBALU53 2nd Aug 2008 11:00

Heathrow Route
 
The question is has Jersey still got a BMI Heathrow service?
The big guns were down in Jersey yesterday to talk about the route.
There was three theories on what might happen.
1. Drop the route as it has not performed as well as expected.
2. Down size to an E145 on the service.
3. Try a get more subsides out of the States of Jersey.
So what was the result?
There was also talk about changeing the schedule with a night stopper and a mid day rotation.
In view of cut backs due to fuel prices the option could be to stop it and use the slots for something else?

gkhoc 8th Aug 2008 09:27

BAW LGW Route
 
British Airways have dropped a rotation from the winter service

BA8034 JER LGW 07:00 08:00 BA
BA8035 LGW JER 08:35 09:40 BA BA8036 JER LGW 10:15 11:10 BA
BA8045 LGW JER 16:15 17:10 BA BA8046 JER LGW 17:45 18:40 BA
BA8047 LGW JER 17:55 18:55 BA BA8048 JER LGW 19:30 20:25 BA
BA8049 LGW JER 19:00 20:00 BA

but the times vary month to month and in March back up to 5 a day.
I presume this is due the works at Jersey this winter.

macuser 8th Aug 2008 11:26

British Airways have dropped a rotation from the winter service
 
But Flybe continue with six rotations, I think

GBALU53 8th Aug 2008 12:30

Winter Seats
 
B.A. winter Gatwick route, with the introduction of the A319 on the route and haveing more seats than the B737 500 some flights have gained extra capicty
With the B737 500s going shortly, some of the Gatwick services will be a mix over the winter with some being by the A319 and from what I understand some will be with B737 400s, in doing this between the two types of aircraft on the route the capicity will be similar if not more than five rotations with the B737 500 over the winter period.
The summer 2009 programme shows as all A319s and back to five services Sunday to Friday with six services on the Saturday.
So things are not that bad, same amout of seats with one rotation less.

MARKEYD 14th Aug 2008 16:54

There will be no loud old Palmair 737 services this winter to Tenerife from Jersey and day trips from Bournemouth as Travelmaker holidays are giving Tenerife a break for the first time since 1998

A real sign that bookings and demand are at a low at the moment , hopefully will return in Spring next year for some Palma charters

Two-Tone-Blue 20th Aug 2008 16:47

I want JER-LHR with BA ... I'm really bored with paying for taxis between LGW-LHR and praying that the M25 doesn't suffer one of it's massive hiccups.

Could anyone ever see a prospect of that? Someone [BA it appeared] suggested JER-LGW was a productive route. Presumably the LHR slots are still too valuable to let us Islanders use them?

jerboy 20th Aug 2008 21:16

Lgw-lhr
 
Or the National Express shuttle between LGW and LHR?

Although loads recently between JER and LHR have been fairly good, I think one of the reasons for the JER-LON regulars preferring BA is the strong Exec Club presence in the island.

BA JER-LGW = points... and as we all know points mean prizes!

jerboy 20th Aug 2008 22:21


i hear bmi LHR is being downgraded to the ERJ135/145 this winter. also they will struggle to meet the 2100 deadline from next month. they only have a 15min buffer between the 2045 STD and airport close. not hard to be 15mins late when operating from LHR.
Downgrade to E145 almost certain.

Provisional timings also to include 2-3hr groundstops in JER on each service due LHR slot availability. The evening service has been retimed and will operate out at 7.30ish.

On my understanding it's still provisional, its a shame we're (probably) losing the A319/320s but with the runway works taking place this winter, and predicted loads it makes it a more realistic schedule which may perhaps be beefed up again next summer. :confused:

GBALU53 21st Aug 2008 08:13

More to come?
 
jerboy
From what I understand not only the weekends but the middle of the week will be done by the EMB145 keping the Bus to do the flights that are normally better load factors.
What ever there outcome of the meeting in Jersey two or three weeks ago all has not been revealed.
There might be some underlineing factors here, like keeping the route going over the winter to keep the slots is one.
Things might change again at the begining of the 2009 summer schedules and with Sir M still to sell out 2009 might see some big changes anyway.

Two-Tone-Blue 22nd Aug 2008 14:09

Thanks for inputs, folks ...

1. Yes, I want my BA miles!
2. I need to connect to BA out of LHR.
3. I don't travel by bus, thank you :)
4. I need my BA trans-Atlantic baggage allowance coming back cross-Channel ;)

Expanding on 4. above, I will have to calculate how much BMI will charge for excess baggage ... assuming the pointy-jet Embraer would allow it in the first place.
Hmmm... Two pax on BA [Club] = an allowance of 6 bags @ max 23kg each = potentially 138kg.
X-Channel on BMI is 20 kg per person, so 98kg @ £7/kg = potentially £686.
Actually, last time we only had 76kg total, so BMI [if we'd used them] would only have charged us £252 excess baggage. :(

You see my point, I'm sure!

VickersV 25th Aug 2008 18:38

CF there is a new airport director already chosen

GBALU53 26th Aug 2008 07:15

New Director
 
VickersV
When will every one be told who the new director is APRIL 1st?:ok:
If a new director has been appointed that was quick?:oh:
Could Mr L be returning for a short spell to fill the gap?::{

J-Guy 26th Aug 2008 17:16

Blue Islands Zurich and Geneva routes become seperate flights from November instead of the current combined one; GVA departs 08:35 and ZRH at 15:15. Flights operate every week day with Geneva on a Sunday too.

Also, with the D38 in use, the Isle of Man reverts back to a daily J32 with a stop in Guernsey operating JER-GCI-IOM-JER-GCI.

Haven't a clue 26th Aug 2008 19:32

So I've no chance of IoM/JER/GVA then. Shame!

GBALU53 26th Aug 2008 20:26

A beer
 
Haven,t a clue
You could always stop over night, they say the beer is good down in the Islands?

keith328 26th Aug 2008 20:46

If you take the Jetstream from IOM to JER, you will need an overnight and more than a few beers! 1.40 ish in a Jetstream, no thanks.

leccy 1st Sep 2008 13:04

Beer
 
There is a beer festival Thur - Sat this weekend too. So make your stop over a couple of days :)

akerosid 5th Sep 2008 18:03

WW and U2 cutting flights
 
:(

According to "This is Jersey" (and presumably the JEP), bmibaby is cutting its BHX flights until next Spring.

Easy is cutting LTN back to 5 weekly and LPL to 4 weekly.

Incidentally, the transition from 73Gs to 319s is now under way at LTN, so we may well have 319s flying there by next Summer.

OltonPete 5th Sep 2008 18:18

baby
 
akerosid

Baby BHX-Jersey appears not to be bookable after 28/9, the first of 12
bhx routes to be suspended or chopped at least until the week before
Christmas.

Pete

akerosid 6th Sep 2008 18:06

New bmi LHR schedule
 
BD 562 LHR 07:55 JER 08:55 ER3
BD 564 LHR 16:25 JER 17:25 ER3

Note use of Embraer 135! Must be the smallest non-VIP jet operating out of LHR!

Actually, these timings may work a lot of better, particularly for connection scheduling; the 7am departure was too early for inbound connections and the 8.45pm departure from here was too late for onward connections.

Assuming a 45-60min turnaround, the outbound departures will be at 09.40 and 18.15, give or take, which will be pretty convenient for many of the late night departures, to places such as JNB, HKG, etc.

jerboy 6th Sep 2008 19:16


Assuming a 45-60min turnaround
Assume nothing!! :} Due slot availability LHR the outbounds are as follows:

BD563 JERLHR dep 1255 arr 1400
BD565 JERLHR dep 1915 arr 2015

Who wants to arrive in LHR at 2pm? I'm willing to bet not many are...

The ER3 may be due to operational reasons rather than predicted load factors/yield. The ER4 has problems operating with a full load in JER if its wet and windy (more than likely in the winter :*), I'm guessing the ER3 is a slightly safer bet?

Or the slightly less optimistic view: The new morning timing will certainly reduce demand and the ER3 won't be popular compared to the B737/A319/195's on the LGW routes, reducing demand further. This reduced yield will give BD something to tell the States if/when they went to pull of the route.

Anyway I reckon the newly acquired BD silver card will be useless fairly soon!

macuser 6th Sep 2008 23:42

Bmi LHR etc
 
I don't think bmi are flavour of the month with the flying pencil, or rather the shortened (135) flying pencil. You either have no overhead locker on one side or, if you do on the other side, you bang your head on it. Far, far cry from the A319/320. Sister bmibaby not winning friends either with BHX gone for the winter and a £6 check-in fee I believe which, unless you are hand luggage only, can't get out of.

Facelookbovvered 7th Sep 2008 08:26

Embraer
 
Most people i know that have used the Barbie jet as paying passenger like it. The overhead locker space is an issue but ground handling normal have your bags at the foot of the stairs before you get off. bmi have no interest in volumes only yield and if some event requires a bigger aircraft they can normally find one. There some routes where the likes of BA wish they had a smaller aircraft to use, bmi regional is a full service product and on many routes provides a far higher standard than mainline in terms of food.

The 135 is now fitted with the same (thrust rated) engines as the 145

Re checkin charges i think baby have gone over the top on this, but they like all airlines have to cover the cost some how, but seem hell bent on following Ryanair on customer service standard, they really do need new kit some are in a shocking state paint wise.

Two-Tone-Blue 2nd Oct 2008 11:10

Good News
 
Some good news for a change ... just announced on Radio Jersey News at 1200 that Julian Green is staying on as Airport Director! :ok:

GBALU53 2nd Oct 2008 14:37

Heathrow to stay long term?
 
More Good news?:ok:
The man in charge of airline British Midland (BMI) said he would like to see an increase in the number of flights between Jersey and London Heathrow.
Sir Michael Bishop is in the island to meet airport and tourism officials.
He confirmed the airline's commitment to Jersey and told BBC News it was a valuable part of the BMI network.
His comments followed concerns raised when BMI announced its morning commuter flight was being suspended in its winter schedule.
Contract review
BMI began a twice-daily service on the route in March last year after being awarded an undisclosed subsidy and five-year contract by the States.
Sir Michael said the London link had proved popular, although it had not yet reached its optimum capacity.
He warned that for the link to continue in the future, people must carry on using it.
Still some hope of the Heathrow staying long term if they get the timeings correct? :ok:


BMI and the States will meet to review the contract in March next year.

macuser 2nd Oct 2008 22:20

Good News
 
re Julian Green staying - best news!!! Open neck shirt - open to talks. He likes the Island. Saw Sir M Bishop (BMI) today- talked a good talk. remember the old Derby Airways days esp the Argonauts. What a sound!

Powerjet1 18th Oct 2008 03:38

JER-LTN with easy. No flights after 4 Jan 09. Hopefully will return with the start of the summer schedules in March.

akerosid 18th Oct 2008 06:33

And hopefully with a better schedule too; can't think that the change to a v.early departure to LTN did anything for the success of this route.

0523 cov man 18th Oct 2008 11:27

coventry
 
any one going to do cvt as tom are going from there
0523 covman

OliWW 18th Oct 2008 11:43

I think flybe would be suited to this route, if they move there jersey service about at BHX i think they could fit in 2/3 times a week to jersey from CVT

J-Guy 24th Oct 2008 18:12

The Aer Lingus flights to Cork look as if they are dropped for 2009 after recently being available to book on-line. It is not surprising given that loads were not strong, the route didn’t suit an A320, but it is another loss for next summer. Hopefully Cork will return in some form, possibly as a charter; it appears to switch between airlines every summer. Dublin continues as 3x weekly.

On a brighter note, Jet2 have also added an additional Sunday flight from Leeds Bradford between 28th June to 6th September, and the scheduled Dusseldorf flight returns.

virginblue 10th Nov 2008 16:56

Apparently Air Berlin is set to make its debut at Jersey in 2009. Rumour has it that shortly a saturday flight to DUS will be announced, STA 1440. Flight to operate from May 16 through to September 12, 2009. Equipment 737. This in addition to the traditional Lufthansa seasonal flight. AB will offer connections from TXL, MUC and VIE.

wakeup 10th Nov 2008 17:08

Fly Air Berlin to the Channel Islands
 
New additions to the summer flight schedule 2009 With effect from the next summer flight schedule 2009, Air Berlin will for the first time be flying to the Channel Island of Jersey. Every Saturday a new Bombardier Q400 will depart from Düsseldorf to the southernmost and at the same time largest island of the archipelago in the English Channel. Air Berlin passengers will arrive at the island in the Atlantic, which offers good tourist access, after a flying time of about two hours. The flight departs from Düsseldorf at 2:05 pm and arrives on Jersey at 2:40 pm. Feeder flights are available from Berlin, Munich and Vienna.

pilot999 11th Nov 2008 14:38

thats if they have not gone bust, they are severly hurting at the momment.

jerhippo 15th Nov 2008 07:52

Dusseldorf Handling
 
Anyone got any idea who is gonna be handling the Air Berlin flight from Dusseldorf @ Jersey????

GBALU53 15th Nov 2008 09:04

Handling Agent
 
jerhippo

If Servisair handle Air Berlin in the U.K. they would be a good bet on who might be handling them down in the Island.:ok:

If not Servisair who knows we will find out before the summer starts i would think?:ok:


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