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Hardly an earth-shattering, high profile announcement.
Apparently, either the 16th or 18th? Which? Shouldn't be too hard to decide....pick a date for the AOC proving flight and work from there.
And where to? Havn't decided yet? Getting on a bit...Slot conference was in Vancouver a month ago, surely some idea what to sell on the internet must be decided.
Would be nice if someone in NOW could put their money (??) where there mouth is and say "we will be operating our first flight on this date to this destination with this aircraft."
Frank ?? Andy ????? Anyone ????????
Apparently, either the 16th or 18th? Which? Shouldn't be too hard to decide....pick a date for the AOC proving flight and work from there.
And where to? Havn't decided yet? Getting on a bit...Slot conference was in Vancouver a month ago, surely some idea what to sell on the internet must be decided.
Would be nice if someone in NOW could put their money (??) where there mouth is and say "we will be operating our first flight on this date to this destination with this aircraft."
Frank ?? Andy ????? Anyone ????????
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With both Ryanair and easyJet growing thier fleets, If I was in charge of Now, I certainly would be keeping my new routes rather private for Now, certainly until I knew that my airline could actually take to the air on a certain date in the future.
The destination list on their web site will change prior to the launch, for that I am sure!
Keep it Green Now!
I hope that they have a Buster sized seat on the front row of thier first flight?
The destination list on their web site will change prior to the launch, for that I am sure!
Keep it Green Now!
I hope that they have a Buster sized seat on the front row of thier first flight?
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Hi Max,
Last time you posted under your jmc-man tag on this subject I posed a couple of questions which you seem to have failed to answer. To help things along and just establish a bit of cred, perhaps you could answer them now so I've cut and pasted them here for you.
"jmc-man - your handle bears a resemblance to the initials of a certain well known easyjet spin doctor, ..................
So to help us all understand where you are coming from, do you have any relationship with that individual?
If you don't and you do really work for jmc, perhaps you could tell us which people in NOW it is that you have worked with, and also how you know the background behind the 2 easyjet managers resigning (refer to your post on NOW News thread for the relevance of these questions)."
If you can't come up with something convincing, I'll have to assume that you are indeed none other than easyjet supremo Mad Max alias Priscilla the Tooth Fairy up to the old tricks.
NB: Spotted the change in your profile since I first drew the connection - suddenly moved from BWN to Manchester have you?
Anonymous forum Gipsy. Stop.. or we "Lock".
Last time you posted under your jmc-man tag on this subject I posed a couple of questions which you seem to have failed to answer. To help things along and just establish a bit of cred, perhaps you could answer them now so I've cut and pasted them here for you.
"jmc-man - your handle bears a resemblance to the initials of a certain well known easyjet spin doctor, ..................
So to help us all understand where you are coming from, do you have any relationship with that individual?
If you don't and you do really work for jmc, perhaps you could tell us which people in NOW it is that you have worked with, and also how you know the background behind the 2 easyjet managers resigning (refer to your post on NOW News thread for the relevance of these questions)."
If you can't come up with something convincing, I'll have to assume that you are indeed none other than easyjet supremo Mad Max alias Priscilla the Tooth Fairy up to the old tricks.
NB: Spotted the change in your profile since I first drew the connection - suddenly moved from BWN to Manchester have you?
Anonymous forum Gipsy. Stop.. or we "Lock".
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Gypsy,
I am not related to Mad Max.
I NOW (pun intended) work for JMC, used to work for Air World.
Met one ex RFM on a course, know the other one socially.
Not terribly interested in Easy Politics....just unsure of the whole NOW concept.
And of course....all of this could be fiction.
Thats the joy of an anonymous forum.
so, while we're at it..whats your connection, Gypsy?
Disagree with my views? Good, thats why PPRuNe is so useful, allows diverse views to be expressed.
Believe what you want eh.
jmc-man
ps I hate Motorbikes with a passion
pps I would NEVER EVER allow myself to appear on that awful AIRLINe program
I am not related to Mad Max.
I NOW (pun intended) work for JMC, used to work for Air World.
Met one ex RFM on a course, know the other one socially.
Not terribly interested in Easy Politics....just unsure of the whole NOW concept.
And of course....all of this could be fiction.
Thats the joy of an anonymous forum.
so, while we're at it..whats your connection, Gypsy?
Disagree with my views? Good, thats why PPRuNe is so useful, allows diverse views to be expressed.
Believe what you want eh.
jmc-man
ps I hate Motorbikes with a passion
pps I would NEVER EVER allow myself to appear on that awful AIRLINe program
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I can smell it in the air again Max.
Let me see - Airworld then JMC but in Jan when you created this 'tag' your location was recorded as BWN, but since connections were suggested between yourself and Max/Priscilla your location has changed to Manchester.
You Tooth Fairies do get around
(I think the anon forum is good - can be used for 1, having a little ding dong on any issue or 2, sticking up for your own airline or 3, having a dig at another airline/competitor if you really want to - I've done 1 and 2 above plenty of times. If you're management and you want to do 2 above with a pseudonym then I think thats okay as long as you're being honest; if you're management and want to do 3 above with a pseudonym - well I'm just not so sure about that)
Let me see - Airworld then JMC but in Jan when you created this 'tag' your location was recorded as BWN, but since connections were suggested between yourself and Max/Priscilla your location has changed to Manchester.
You Tooth Fairies do get around
(I think the anon forum is good - can be used for 1, having a little ding dong on any issue or 2, sticking up for your own airline or 3, having a dig at another airline/competitor if you really want to - I've done 1 and 2 above plenty of times. If you're management and you want to do 2 above with a pseudonym then I think thats okay as long as you're being honest; if you're management and want to do 3 above with a pseudonym - well I'm just not so sure about that)
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And I am a tooth fairy in my own right, not a figment of Max's imagination. Not only that, I am a very important tooth fairy, as you know.
Priscilla Moonbeam
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Back to the original subject!
Re the NOW launch date ... interesting if it is "mid-October" as the main man from NOW was interviewed on BBC "Look East" a couple of weeks ago about why they had yet to launch.
Ignoring the reasons for the delay, he said that it would be "no later than three months from now (sic)", which would have made it the end of September.
Buster the Bear - you certainly need a big chair!! I'm not surprised with all the snacks you are getting from the visitors at the moment ... you should run around your cage more!!!
Ignoring the reasons for the delay, he said that it would be "no later than three months from now (sic)", which would have made it the end of September.
Buster the Bear - you certainly need a big chair!! I'm not surprised with all the snacks you are getting from the visitors at the moment ... you should run around your cage more!!!
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Just in time to catch the half term hols!!!!!. I 'll believe it when I see it. From a previous post, booking was due to start w/c 21 July, a little over a week away. The website has not changed since the beginning of June so I'll be very surprised if it happens then, especially as funding is still not complete, hence no contracts. Who knows - March 2004 here we come.
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jmc-man
What is your problem?
If you have nothing positive to say about Now, try saying nothing at all. Our industry has taken a battering of the past few years, and the last thing it needs is narrow minded individuals like yourself having a pop at them.
To all of you involved with Now.
Good luck and I hope it works. I for one will be looking out for you.
El Jefe
If you have nothing positive to say about Now, try saying nothing at all. Our industry has taken a battering of the past few years, and the last thing it needs is narrow minded individuals like yourself having a pop at them.
To all of you involved with Now.
Good luck and I hope it works. I for one will be looking out for you.
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Well, my interest in NOW is purely whether they are going to get off the ground or not. And why do I care .....?
Only because I have seen an awful lot of paper airlines over the past few years, and had my fingers burned with one or two... and I would like to see NOW (or anyone else claiming a start-up) being honest with their dealings with the flying community.
For example...has anyone been issued a contract by NOW? Has anyone been given an employment start date by NOW?
So far, we've seen a good website, and a lot of talk...and a postponed start date.
Funding? AOC ? Aircraft? Pilot Contracts? Serious Senior Management Team?
On the other hand...if you look at the start-up in Manchester with 767's, now they are looking more serious. Sound business base (major tour operator behind them), good business model, proven management team. Can you see the difference?
Easyjet are falling apart....Ryanair loads are down..BMI-baby are losing their shirts....why does anyone think there is room for another "low Cost" airline, particularly one with such a flawed business plan.
Note:- the views expressed above are those of the author - feel free to disagree as much as you want
Thomas Cook Man
Well, my interest in NOW is purely whether they are going to get off the ground or not. And why do I care .....?
Only because I have seen an awful lot of paper airlines over the past few years, and had my fingers burned with one or two... and I would like to see NOW (or anyone else claiming a start-up) being honest with their dealings with the flying community.
For example...has anyone been issued a contract by NOW? Has anyone been given an employment start date by NOW?
So far, we've seen a good website, and a lot of talk...and a postponed start date.
Funding? AOC ? Aircraft? Pilot Contracts? Serious Senior Management Team?
On the other hand...if you look at the start-up in Manchester with 767's, now they are looking more serious. Sound business base (major tour operator behind them), good business model, proven management team. Can you see the difference?
Easyjet are falling apart....Ryanair loads are down..BMI-baby are losing their shirts....why does anyone think there is room for another "low Cost" airline, particularly one with such a flawed business plan.
Note:- the views expressed above are those of the author - feel free to disagree as much as you want
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jmc-man, a few days with Siberian tigers here would sort you out! Or a few days smoking the plants in the Panda house!
"RYR loads are down" Pardon me, Ryanair have expanded hugely, so recent results show routes that have only been flown for a short period.
"Easy are falling apart." They have just assumed another giant low cost competitor and are re-adjusting themselves to life as a low cost giant.
Man air are using Icelandair planes and not initially going for their own AOC. Hardly a lo-co!
Baby losing its shirt? I thought it was a youngster and still in nappies?
"RYR loads are down" Pardon me, Ryanair have expanded hugely, so recent results show routes that have only been flown for a short period.
"Easy are falling apart." They have just assumed another giant low cost competitor and are re-adjusting themselves to life as a low cost giant.
Man air are using Icelandair planes and not initially going for their own AOC. Hardly a lo-co!
Baby losing its shirt? I thought it was a youngster and still in nappies?
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Buster,
you're not an endangered species by any chance.
What you've said above are the REASONS why things are the way they are in the Low Cost world at the moment ( and I never suggested Man air was a low cost operator, just a start up with potential).
My point is that the LoCo market is going though a bit of a bad patch, for all the reasons you mentioned, coupled with over capacity and lots of seats chasing fewer bums ( Even Ryanair had to admit recently that they couldn't GIVE their seats away).
Ryanair will recover, Easyjet will recover, eventually bmi-baby might make money ( although I suspect the real situationwill be carefully hidden in the parent account....as will the Jet 2 figures). So why does anyone believe NOW has something to bring to the table?
I hope they get it together,but I also hope they don't hurt a lot of people by getting it wrong, and by not being honest.
Their COO does not have a strong track record to work with.
Thomas Cook Man
....and this newspaper story reflects my concerns.
It's all about credibility
Thomas Cook Man
you're not an endangered species by any chance.
What you've said above are the REASONS why things are the way they are in the Low Cost world at the moment ( and I never suggested Man air was a low cost operator, just a start up with potential).
My point is that the LoCo market is going though a bit of a bad patch, for all the reasons you mentioned, coupled with over capacity and lots of seats chasing fewer bums ( Even Ryanair had to admit recently that they couldn't GIVE their seats away).
Ryanair will recover, Easyjet will recover, eventually bmi-baby might make money ( although I suspect the real situationwill be carefully hidden in the parent account....as will the Jet 2 figures). So why does anyone believe NOW has something to bring to the table?
I hope they get it together,but I also hope they don't hurt a lot of people by getting it wrong, and by not being honest.
Their COO does not have a strong track record to work with.
Thomas Cook Man
....and this newspaper story reflects my concerns.
It's all about credibility
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jmc man
your newspaper is date from 2nd may 03.
This is no news that the start is postponed to october.
It takes months to obtain an AOC. You have to write all the manuals and summit them to CAA for approval.
Beside, they are still interviewing for cabin crew
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Ez and Ryan are receiving 2 aircraft every month to cope with growth. With 2 a/c, Now is a sure success on the present trend.
With all the mergers that occured recently, I think a new airline is welcome and if the marketing is properly done, the public will respond positively.
your newspaper is date from 2nd may 03.
This is no news that the start is postponed to october.
It takes months to obtain an AOC. You have to write all the manuals and summit them to CAA for approval.
Beside, they are still interviewing for cabin crew
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Ez and Ryan are receiving 2 aircraft every month to cope with growth. With 2 a/c, Now is a sure success on the present trend.
With all the mergers that occured recently, I think a new airline is welcome and if the marketing is properly done, the public will respond positively.
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It probably depends how ready your project is.
I dunno about Eurodirect, but Astraeus is run by every experienced pilots. They are very good with flying aircrafts, training, writing procedures etc.
They might not be so good at selling tickets. Just look at their website. It 19th century technology.
They make all their money on training and they are not flying much apart from that.
Personnaly, I d rather be with an airline run by proper managers than pilots.
I dunno about Eurodirect, but Astraeus is run by every experienced pilots. They are very good with flying aircrafts, training, writing procedures etc.
They might not be so good at selling tickets. Just look at their website. It 19th century technology.
They make all their money on training and they are not flying much apart from that.
Personnaly, I d rather be with an airline run by proper managers than pilots.
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Just been speaking to someone involved with aircraft financing who says that NOW do not have all the financing they need and are unlikely to get it. Their business plan is not sufficiently robust and their fares strategy flawed. Because they will sell all tickets at the same fare, bookings will be slow as long as competing airlines are still selling their cheapest tickets. Only when competitors have sold their cheaper seats will NOW's fares be competetive.
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..."I dunno about Eurodirect, but Astraeus is run by every experienced pilots....They might not be so good at selling tickets.."
cocolo..
Granted, its always nice to have a flashy website regardless of what type of operations you undertake, but I think you miss the point. Eurodirect was a scheduled carrier selling seats direct to the public. Astraeus is a charter airline with no direct seat sales. Surely, therefore, the focus for them must be on running a safe, solid operation (as it must for any air company) and after all, at the end of the day, the Tour Operator customers must be more interested in getting the right price and that their mututal customers (the passengers) are looked after well in-flight.
Perhaps its an indication of the state of the industry that people have forgotten what independent charter carriers are: ie focus upon customer service in-flight rather than getting side-tracked by ticket sales through integrated multi-national leisure groups.
I say good luck to the little guys like AEU, FJE, EAF etc trying their best (and, more or less, succeeding) in a difficult and crowded market.
cocolo..
Granted, its always nice to have a flashy website regardless of what type of operations you undertake, but I think you miss the point. Eurodirect was a scheduled carrier selling seats direct to the public. Astraeus is a charter airline with no direct seat sales. Surely, therefore, the focus for them must be on running a safe, solid operation (as it must for any air company) and after all, at the end of the day, the Tour Operator customers must be more interested in getting the right price and that their mututal customers (the passengers) are looked after well in-flight.
Perhaps its an indication of the state of the industry that people have forgotten what independent charter carriers are: ie focus upon customer service in-flight rather than getting side-tracked by ticket sales through integrated multi-national leisure groups.
I say good luck to the little guys like AEU, FJE, EAF etc trying their best (and, more or less, succeeding) in a difficult and crowded market.
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Cocolo,
I think you've missed the business concept of Astraeus. As has been pointed out, we sell an entire aircraft to Tour Operators.
Last year we operated 4 aircraft, this year we running 6.
Last year we achieved the highest daily utilisation of a 737 worldwide at 15+ hours
So we are doing fine, thanks for your concern.
H
I think you've missed the business concept of Astraeus. As has been pointed out, we sell an entire aircraft to Tour Operators.
Last year we operated 4 aircraft, this year we running 6.
Last year we achieved the highest daily utilisation of a 737 worldwide at 15+ hours
So we are doing fine, thanks for your concern.
H