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Read this topic with interest and promised myself I would keep calm so here goes..
gone till november,
You make a reference to Boeing and how they are bigger than Ryanair and that they are 'not impressed' etc...
I'm afraid you simply do not know what you are talking about! I can tell you that Boeing love us ! with the order for 250 aeroplanes,Boeing simply cannot do enough for Ryanair and they genuinley think we are one of the [if not the ] best customer for the 737NG.So,don't make sweeping comment's you know nothing about.
You say Ryanair offer 'crap service'? What do you mean? If you refer to on-board service you are wrong.As in every airline,you will be attended to individually by the cabin crew.The major difference is that you will have to pay for your food/drink as opposed to it being 'free'?!! [£100]
Your reference to travel distance to STN is fair enough,fly from elswhere but don't forget that many millions of people live within striking distance from STN so don'y use that as a reason for not flying from there.
My last comment regarding yourself is questioning RYR's ability to be the biggest airline in the world? 250 aircraft coming?!!....
Peetechase,
Please explain your comment 'the paint might be shiny but what's underneath'? Is this a reference to the serviceability of the aircraft? Are you questioning the quality of Ryanair Engineering? If so on what basis? I suspect there is no basis at all,just a pathetic attempt at Ryanair bashing from the pilot of another airline.For the record,for those not in the know, Ryanair has engineer's with the same licences, operating to the same standard's,to a similar MEL [the same MMEL] as,for the sake of argument,does British Airways. So don't go casting aspertions on the safety of Ryanair aircraft.The fact remains we have A perfect safety record.
Ryanair are succesfull because they have opened up air travel to the masses.Gone are the days when it was an exclusive event.Basically it's a bus service.An expensive,well maintained and well driven bus but a bus service all the same.You get what you pay for.If you think it's value for money to pay £3-400 extra to have a 'free' wine or beer and fly to the main airport then fine,pay it,but there are plenty of other's who don't need to be in the city centre within 30 mins of walking out the terminal.
You also have to recognise that with most of the RYR airport's you have left the building within 15 mins of landing.Could you do that at Frankfurt Main? Just a question!
gone till november,
You make a reference to Boeing and how they are bigger than Ryanair and that they are 'not impressed' etc...
I'm afraid you simply do not know what you are talking about! I can tell you that Boeing love us ! with the order for 250 aeroplanes,Boeing simply cannot do enough for Ryanair and they genuinley think we are one of the [if not the ] best customer for the 737NG.So,don't make sweeping comment's you know nothing about.
You say Ryanair offer 'crap service'? What do you mean? If you refer to on-board service you are wrong.As in every airline,you will be attended to individually by the cabin crew.The major difference is that you will have to pay for your food/drink as opposed to it being 'free'?!! [£100]
Your reference to travel distance to STN is fair enough,fly from elswhere but don't forget that many millions of people live within striking distance from STN so don'y use that as a reason for not flying from there.
My last comment regarding yourself is questioning RYR's ability to be the biggest airline in the world? 250 aircraft coming?!!....
Peetechase,
Please explain your comment 'the paint might be shiny but what's underneath'? Is this a reference to the serviceability of the aircraft? Are you questioning the quality of Ryanair Engineering? If so on what basis? I suspect there is no basis at all,just a pathetic attempt at Ryanair bashing from the pilot of another airline.For the record,for those not in the know, Ryanair has engineer's with the same licences, operating to the same standard's,to a similar MEL [the same MMEL] as,for the sake of argument,does British Airways. So don't go casting aspertions on the safety of Ryanair aircraft.The fact remains we have A perfect safety record.
Ryanair are succesfull because they have opened up air travel to the masses.Gone are the days when it was an exclusive event.Basically it's a bus service.An expensive,well maintained and well driven bus but a bus service all the same.You get what you pay for.If you think it's value for money to pay £3-400 extra to have a 'free' wine or beer and fly to the main airport then fine,pay it,but there are plenty of other's who don't need to be in the city centre within 30 mins of walking out the terminal.
You also have to recognise that with most of the RYR airport's you have left the building within 15 mins of landing.Could you do that at Frankfurt Main? Just a question!
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worth mentioning too that FR do fly from LTN and LGW, to a few destinations. Considering DUB is one of the largest routes ex London, that means quite a bit of traffic for those airports.
http://www.unison.ie/irish_independe...&issue_id=9316
Ryanair looks at Polish airport
LOW cost airline Ryanair has confirmed that its representatives have visited the Polish city of Radom, 100km south of Warsaw, as part of its assessment of potential locations in the accession states.
A spokesman for the airline said: "We are looking at about 40 airports in the former eastern Europe as potential targets and foresee plenty of growth in that region in the future.
"However, while this geographical area is on our radar, we don't see a deal being made with any particular airport in the next week or month."
Radom's local airport is Sadkowa, and it is expected that if Ryanair chose this location, it would need to invest millions of dollars to upgrade navigation and airstrip lighting systems and the runway itself.
Ryanair has said in the past that the accession countries are target markets, but has not pinned down specific airports or towns that would be suitable. The 10 accession countries due to join the EU next May are Poland, Cyprus, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Slovakia and Slovenia.
Poland is the biggest market of all, with over 40 million people.
This weekend, Poles will vote on EU membership. A 50pc turnout is required for a valid vote.
http://www.unison.ie/irish_independe...&issue_id=9316
Ryanair looks at Polish airport
LOW cost airline Ryanair has confirmed that its representatives have visited the Polish city of Radom, 100km south of Warsaw, as part of its assessment of potential locations in the accession states.
A spokesman for the airline said: "We are looking at about 40 airports in the former eastern Europe as potential targets and foresee plenty of growth in that region in the future.
"However, while this geographical area is on our radar, we don't see a deal being made with any particular airport in the next week or month."
Radom's local airport is Sadkowa, and it is expected that if Ryanair chose this location, it would need to invest millions of dollars to upgrade navigation and airstrip lighting systems and the runway itself.
Ryanair has said in the past that the accession countries are target markets, but has not pinned down specific airports or towns that would be suitable. The 10 accession countries due to join the EU next May are Poland, Cyprus, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Slovakia and Slovenia.
Poland is the biggest market of all, with over 40 million people.
This weekend, Poles will vote on EU membership. A 50pc turnout is required for a valid vote.
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Oh dear eng 123
Perhaps you should have stayed of this thread as you said and kept calm.
I have had crap service in the air and on the ground from FR and despite your protestations about what I do and dont know. I know enough about the way I have been treated by FR and what Boeing thought about FR bullying them into the deal post 9/11. Yeah they might think your the bee's knees but it was very insensitive to both Boeing and the American people to try and make money off the back of the worst terrorist attack in history. Oh and by the way a salesman will say anything to you to get your cash.
I assume that you know of Flight International and its yearly world airline census. Well despite their financial problems UA still has around 600 a/c, AA over 750 a/c and DL around 550 a/c even BA has 340 odd (with its wholly owned BACX).
Now if MoL can make FR the worlds biggest with 250 a/c then thats some fancy accounting and perhaps MoL deserves his position or is it big talk to attract more share holders and push up his share price to make even more money?
Eng 123 I dont know you and therfore have nothing against you but you need to keep calm and realise that everyone is entitled to an opinion just the same as you are. I know what I have experienced with FR and it's not good enough for me to want to spend another penny with them.
I would rather spend my money where i think i get the best "Overall" value. How many old cheap cars do you see on the road as opposed to old expensive one's. Exactly it may be cheap but there is no sense of occassion or quality with a cheap one.
I have had my fill of cheap cars and now drive something thats going to last and give me good service and i feel the same about LoCo but i have to say that i have flown EZY and they blow you out of the water for on board service and come to think of it on the ground as well.
I wish you good luck with FR but you wont see my money again and at the end of the day money talks and bullshyte walks.
Perhaps you should have stayed of this thread as you said and kept calm.
I have had crap service in the air and on the ground from FR and despite your protestations about what I do and dont know. I know enough about the way I have been treated by FR and what Boeing thought about FR bullying them into the deal post 9/11. Yeah they might think your the bee's knees but it was very insensitive to both Boeing and the American people to try and make money off the back of the worst terrorist attack in history. Oh and by the way a salesman will say anything to you to get your cash.
I assume that you know of Flight International and its yearly world airline census. Well despite their financial problems UA still has around 600 a/c, AA over 750 a/c and DL around 550 a/c even BA has 340 odd (with its wholly owned BACX).
Now if MoL can make FR the worlds biggest with 250 a/c then thats some fancy accounting and perhaps MoL deserves his position or is it big talk to attract more share holders and push up his share price to make even more money?
Eng 123 I dont know you and therfore have nothing against you but you need to keep calm and realise that everyone is entitled to an opinion just the same as you are. I know what I have experienced with FR and it's not good enough for me to want to spend another penny with them.
I would rather spend my money where i think i get the best "Overall" value. How many old cheap cars do you see on the road as opposed to old expensive one's. Exactly it may be cheap but there is no sense of occassion or quality with a cheap one.
I have had my fill of cheap cars and now drive something thats going to last and give me good service and i feel the same about LoCo but i have to say that i have flown EZY and they blow you out of the water for on board service and come to think of it on the ground as well.
I wish you good luck with FR but you wont see my money again and at the end of the day money talks and bullshyte walks.
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Your commments smack of a complacency not welcome in this industry. Do you think BA's licences, standards and MMEL have protected BA from fatal accidents? Will they protect RyanAir?
It will be much more difficult for RyanAir (or any other airline) to maintain a perfect safety record when they have 250 aircraft rather than 25 or 70.
Besides, other U.K. and Ireland airlines have better safety records in that they have been operating longer with no fatal accidents. It's just that most have the humility to accept that a "perfect" safety record is only one cock-up away from being imperfect and have more sense than to brag about it.
Yes, RyanAir are doing well, but so far the full service schedule airlines are only just responding to the competition from the low-cost ones. It is far too early to tell whether RyanAir will expand to 250 aircraft or whether they will succumb to the increased competition from the full-service airlines. Remember, the full-service and particularly the long-haul airlines have premium services which they can use to subsidise their short-haul stuuf, but the low-cost airlines have no such fall-back.
One thing is for certain, RyanAir won't survive if they swagger around thinking the're Cock o'the Walk or God's Gift to Aviation. Reality has a nasty way of intervening in such hubris.
Your commments smack of a complacency not welcome in this industry. Do you think BA's licences, standards and MMEL have protected BA from fatal accidents? Will they protect RyanAir?
It will be much more difficult for RyanAir (or any other airline) to maintain a perfect safety record when they have 250 aircraft rather than 25 or 70.
Besides, other U.K. and Ireland airlines have better safety records in that they have been operating longer with no fatal accidents. It's just that most have the humility to accept that a "perfect" safety record is only one cock-up away from being imperfect and have more sense than to brag about it.
Yes, RyanAir are doing well, but so far the full service schedule airlines are only just responding to the competition from the low-cost ones. It is far too early to tell whether RyanAir will expand to 250 aircraft or whether they will succumb to the increased competition from the full-service airlines. Remember, the full-service and particularly the long-haul airlines have premium services which they can use to subsidise their short-haul stuuf, but the low-cost airlines have no such fall-back.
One thing is for certain, RyanAir won't survive if they swagger around thinking the're Cock o'the Walk or God's Gift to Aviation. Reality has a nasty way of intervening in such hubris.
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stop being such a plonker. I don't work for MoL or hold any FR shares or interest but I have flown with them as well as the mainlines and felt equally safe. FR's safety record is MORE impressive than airlines of equivalent fleet size because of their high utilisation rates AND the age of the 732 fleet.
you have failed to find anything against FR so now you say "oh well there PROBABLY will be problems". Well, no sh!t. But buying a single fleet of brand new 738s, ensuring uniformity of training, parts inventory etc. goes a long way to weeding out a lot of the vectors for system failure.
eng123 is a bloke trying to earn a living who doesn't reckon on the company he works for being slagged off. Tell us who you work for so we can check out your record!
stop being such a plonker. I don't work for MoL or hold any FR shares or interest but I have flown with them as well as the mainlines and felt equally safe. FR's safety record is MORE impressive than airlines of equivalent fleet size because of their high utilisation rates AND the age of the 732 fleet.
you have failed to find anything against FR so now you say "oh well there PROBABLY will be problems". Well, no sh!t. But buying a single fleet of brand new 738s, ensuring uniformity of training, parts inventory etc. goes a long way to weeding out a lot of the vectors for system failure.
eng123 is a bloke trying to earn a living who doesn't reckon on the company he works for being slagged off. Tell us who you work for so we can check out your record!
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MarkD -
I think you completely missed my point. I did not "slag off" RyanAir at all; as it is I remain neutral about them. As I stated, it remains to be seen whether they survive in the long term, but for the short term they seem to be doing fine. I have no intention of finding anything "against" them, and I certainly did not say "oh well there PROBABLY will be problems" - I suggest you check your reply before posting.
As for their service, I prefer an allocated seat and some of the other things that a full service airline would provide. However, as I generally fly at the behest of my employer, I have to accept their choice of carrier. Given the preference I would not opt to fly on the low cast carriers.
Mind you my employer has found that the low-cost airlines pricing model and their lack of ticketing flexibility has lead to some unpleasant suprises when trying to re-arrange flights, and this in turn has lead them back to BA for the majority of UK short haul flights. Like me, my employer has a choice, and this choice has improved as a result of the full service scheduled carriers responding to the low-cost carriers pricing.
I accept that eng123 may well be enthusiastic about his employer and is frustrated about the "slagging off" they receive in this forum. The point I was making was that for anyone to claim that their airline employer has a "perfect" safety record, as eng123 was in his last post, smacks of complacency. I stand by this argument.
I certainly don't intend to start a "my airline is safer than yours" flame war on this thread by revealing my employer, suffice to say the safety record of the airline for which I work would almost certainly stand scrutiny against that of any other. However, I'm not such a fool as to leave a hostage to fortune by saying that their safety record is perfect.
I think you completely missed my point. I did not "slag off" RyanAir at all; as it is I remain neutral about them. As I stated, it remains to be seen whether they survive in the long term, but for the short term they seem to be doing fine. I have no intention of finding anything "against" them, and I certainly did not say "oh well there PROBABLY will be problems" - I suggest you check your reply before posting.
As for their service, I prefer an allocated seat and some of the other things that a full service airline would provide. However, as I generally fly at the behest of my employer, I have to accept their choice of carrier. Given the preference I would not opt to fly on the low cast carriers.
Mind you my employer has found that the low-cost airlines pricing model and their lack of ticketing flexibility has lead to some unpleasant suprises when trying to re-arrange flights, and this in turn has lead them back to BA for the majority of UK short haul flights. Like me, my employer has a choice, and this choice has improved as a result of the full service scheduled carriers responding to the low-cost carriers pricing.
I accept that eng123 may well be enthusiastic about his employer and is frustrated about the "slagging off" they receive in this forum. The point I was making was that for anyone to claim that their airline employer has a "perfect" safety record, as eng123 was in his last post, smacks of complacency. I stand by this argument.
I certainly don't intend to start a "my airline is safer than yours" flame war on this thread by revealing my employer, suffice to say the safety record of the airline for which I work would almost certainly stand scrutiny against that of any other. However, I'm not such a fool as to leave a hostage to fortune by saying that their safety record is perfect.
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Maybe I did sound a bit confrontational in my previous post.I don't mean to be but I find comments such as 'I don't dislike anyone enough to send them on a RYR flight,the paint might be shiny but I wonder what's underneath' extremely irritating and I take it almost as a personal insult!
The point I was [am] trying to make is that we operate to exactly the same standards and regulations as any other airline operating in this country,a point I think some overlook.There are continual slurs and although no-one has openly come out and said it,hints that Ryanair somehow cut corner's in the maintenance.This couldn't be further from the truth.I can honestly say that in my opinion we have one of the best maintained fleets of any airline I have had dealings with.
It goes without saying that I realise that having the same qualified personnell,MEL etc is no guarantee to keeping a perfect safety record.That can only be achieved with hard work and avoiding the one thing I was accused of having...complacency.
I agree that of course there is a market for full service air travel,if that's what the individual wants then pay for it.A lot of the anti-Ryan comments seem to come from people complaining that having travelled Ryanair,they haven't received the same treatment they would expect on the national carriers.My question to them would be Why did you book Ryanair? I suspect their answer would be along the lines of 'it was the cheapest.You can't have it all ways.
I personally would rather save a few quid than be pampered and given food/drink I don't particularly need.Bear in mind the longest sector we fly is in the region of 2 and a bit hours and speaking for myself,can do without anything to eat or drink for this short time.
The world of air travel has changed forever and I think it's long overdue.Just a question but why do people feel the need to be pampered on a flight when nobody would expect to receive such treatment if travelling on a train or a bus?Just because in years gone by it has been this way?Remember,at the start of commercial air travel,the experience was mainly for the wealthy.The introduction of package tour holiday companies in the 70's began to change that and companies like Ryanair are taking it a step further and I think we should all be pleased about that.
I hate to make a post without being at least a bit controvertial,so here is my controvertial bit.On the programme there was the disabled fella who complained about the cost of the wheelchair.As was stated in the programme that cost will be absorbed by the company in the case of a genuine need.I must admit that his case did seem genuine but it was his quote of 'I don't understand why other airlines absorb the cost while RYR will not' that stuck in my mind.I honestly have every sympathy for anyone that is disabled but the simple answer is that low cost means low cost.The only way to be low cost is trimming all possible overheads.There has to be a cut-off somewhere and as was stated,if the passenger walks into the terminal then surely it shouldn't be down to the airline to pay for a wheelchair to the gate.Otherwise we could all be getting wheelchairs at the airline's expense.It sure was a long walk from my Delta aircraft I recently arrived from the states in,to the terminal exit at Gatwick.I would just ask the guy why he booked FR in the first place.I bet his answer was cost again,but the only way of keeping those costs that low is by trimming overheads..like wheelchair's for those that walk into the terminal.Catch 22.
The point I was [am] trying to make is that we operate to exactly the same standards and regulations as any other airline operating in this country,a point I think some overlook.There are continual slurs and although no-one has openly come out and said it,hints that Ryanair somehow cut corner's in the maintenance.This couldn't be further from the truth.I can honestly say that in my opinion we have one of the best maintained fleets of any airline I have had dealings with.
It goes without saying that I realise that having the same qualified personnell,MEL etc is no guarantee to keeping a perfect safety record.That can only be achieved with hard work and avoiding the one thing I was accused of having...complacency.
I agree that of course there is a market for full service air travel,if that's what the individual wants then pay for it.A lot of the anti-Ryan comments seem to come from people complaining that having travelled Ryanair,they haven't received the same treatment they would expect on the national carriers.My question to them would be Why did you book Ryanair? I suspect their answer would be along the lines of 'it was the cheapest.You can't have it all ways.
I personally would rather save a few quid than be pampered and given food/drink I don't particularly need.Bear in mind the longest sector we fly is in the region of 2 and a bit hours and speaking for myself,can do without anything to eat or drink for this short time.
The world of air travel has changed forever and I think it's long overdue.Just a question but why do people feel the need to be pampered on a flight when nobody would expect to receive such treatment if travelling on a train or a bus?Just because in years gone by it has been this way?Remember,at the start of commercial air travel,the experience was mainly for the wealthy.The introduction of package tour holiday companies in the 70's began to change that and companies like Ryanair are taking it a step further and I think we should all be pleased about that.
I hate to make a post without being at least a bit controvertial,so here is my controvertial bit.On the programme there was the disabled fella who complained about the cost of the wheelchair.As was stated in the programme that cost will be absorbed by the company in the case of a genuine need.I must admit that his case did seem genuine but it was his quote of 'I don't understand why other airlines absorb the cost while RYR will not' that stuck in my mind.I honestly have every sympathy for anyone that is disabled but the simple answer is that low cost means low cost.The only way to be low cost is trimming all possible overheads.There has to be a cut-off somewhere and as was stated,if the passenger walks into the terminal then surely it shouldn't be down to the airline to pay for a wheelchair to the gate.Otherwise we could all be getting wheelchairs at the airline's expense.It sure was a long walk from my Delta aircraft I recently arrived from the states in,to the terminal exit at Gatwick.I would just ask the guy why he booked FR in the first place.I bet his answer was cost again,but the only way of keeping those costs that low is by trimming overheads..like wheelchair's for those that walk into the terminal.Catch 22.
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The truth is that if you apparently give something for practically nothing,9 times out of 10 they will take it,regardless of service,safety etc.Ryanair are ok to use if you want to fly to the middle of nowhere and you don't need anything onboard ohh and you don't carry any luggage at all wit you.Because if anything goes wrong with your service,you are basically on your own,Ryanair don't and won't give a damn.I myself prefer to use a national carrier for peace of mind.Cabin employment at Ryanair is now basically that they accept everybody with a pulse that applies,regardless of whether you speak English or not.They are very successful and thats great but have totally no standards whatsoever.People will always take the risk,but not moi.M xx.
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Its a bit like chinese whispers this but as i remember (and i could be wrong) he walked form a car to the desk and then asked for a chair to the gate which we all know at STN can be a long way even with the shuttle trains.
I have flown FR many times and being a certain level of intelligence i am fully aware that you get for what you pay for.
But it doesn't cost FR a thing (except passengers that wont fly with them again) for mostly ground and to a certain extent cabin crew to treat their dinner or holiday or car or what ever provider ie the fare paying passenger with a little bit of respect and a modicum of customer service.
You buy tat you expect tat but you also expect some sort of pleasure from it even just a little bit and this is in all my experiences with FR where they fail spectacularly.
Im not concerned with your ability as an engineer to get an FR a/c in the as i dont believe that even Molly would be that stupid to skimp on critical maintenance. But the times i've been in the jump seat some cockpits have been a sea of post it notes and INOP stickers. But I also know that a pilot would not fly an a/c even with ops on his case if he thought it was unsafe.
eng123..... the tide is turning as a few years ago it was Ryanair its the bees knees, their great etc etc. But people are beggining to realise what LoCo actually means and in the words of that Galaxy chocolate ad "why have cotton when you can have silk". Sure silk is more expensive but it feels better (according to the wife!!)
Obviously im not going to convince you or the other supporters of FR as you have not had my experiences with them. But if you did ask yourself this.
After paying sod all for the fare then finding that they've changed the rules on baggage without actually saying it loudly enough for anyone to hear, getting charged more than the cost of the flight (including taxes) for your excess baggage, then a snotty check in agent looking down at you, indifferent service in the air with the emphasis on sell the punters more so we make more commission and a dopey PSA at the far end who basically listened to my complaint and turned her back and ignored me. Plus many other gripes too numerous to mention.
Would you want to fly with that airline in a hurry again? Would you? Is all the hassel, stress and raised BP really worth it? Not in my book.
Its a bit like chinese whispers this but as i remember (and i could be wrong) he walked form a car to the desk and then asked for a chair to the gate which we all know at STN can be a long way even with the shuttle trains.
I have flown FR many times and being a certain level of intelligence i am fully aware that you get for what you pay for.
But it doesn't cost FR a thing (except passengers that wont fly with them again) for mostly ground and to a certain extent cabin crew to treat their dinner or holiday or car or what ever provider ie the fare paying passenger with a little bit of respect and a modicum of customer service.
You buy tat you expect tat but you also expect some sort of pleasure from it even just a little bit and this is in all my experiences with FR where they fail spectacularly.
Im not concerned with your ability as an engineer to get an FR a/c in the as i dont believe that even Molly would be that stupid to skimp on critical maintenance. But the times i've been in the jump seat some cockpits have been a sea of post it notes and INOP stickers. But I also know that a pilot would not fly an a/c even with ops on his case if he thought it was unsafe.
eng123..... the tide is turning as a few years ago it was Ryanair its the bees knees, their great etc etc. But people are beggining to realise what LoCo actually means and in the words of that Galaxy chocolate ad "why have cotton when you can have silk". Sure silk is more expensive but it feels better (according to the wife!!)
Obviously im not going to convince you or the other supporters of FR as you have not had my experiences with them. But if you did ask yourself this.
After paying sod all for the fare then finding that they've changed the rules on baggage without actually saying it loudly enough for anyone to hear, getting charged more than the cost of the flight (including taxes) for your excess baggage, then a snotty check in agent looking down at you, indifferent service in the air with the emphasis on sell the punters more so we make more commission and a dopey PSA at the far end who basically listened to my complaint and turned her back and ignored me. Plus many other gripes too numerous to mention.
Would you want to fly with that airline in a hurry again? Would you? Is all the hassel, stress and raised BP really worth it? Not in my book.
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times and places please when you were given the courtesy of a jump seat and
must be different aeroplanes to those that i fly. i utterly resent your alarmist cr@p and demand that you list the times, dates, flight numbers, aircraft registrations and list of defects.
otherwise crawl back beneath the stone from whence you came.
just because you don't like the service you receive as a passenger on fr doesn't give you authority to question the engineering or ops standards of the airline; both of which are as high or even higher that those of other airlines for whom i have flown.
apology please.
times and places please when you were given the courtesy of a jump seat and
some cockpits have been a sea of post it notes and INOP stickers
otherwise crawl back beneath the stone from whence you came.
just because you don't like the service you receive as a passenger on fr doesn't give you authority to question the engineering or ops standards of the airline; both of which are as high or even higher that those of other airlines for whom i have flown.
apology please.
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Thanks for the positive engineering comments Ryanairpilot.This fella obviously must be on a wind up as he clearly has never travelled on a jumpseat on our aircraft as we know that a flight deck 'full of post it notes and inop sticker's' has never,ever existed.I have been with RYR for about 7 years now and that has never been the case,and it never will.Our set-up is too good to allow that to happen.After this post I'm not even going to bother responding to his b/s.
Oh gonetillnovember,how anyone could ever think of turning their back on you and switching off I could never imagine.
Oh gonetillnovember,how anyone could ever think of turning their back on you and switching off I could never imagine.
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Flown FR over a dozen times and never had any major dramas yet.
Been stung for the excess baggage thing once, but it was in the small print and I was aware that it might be charged. (Wasn't charged on the outbound leg but was on the return so it felt nice to get £40 over on O'Leary after his comments about ATC.)
And the only other thing was a cabin crew guy trying to diddle us over the cost of the drinks that a group of thirsty ATC people had ordered on the way to Venice. He got pretty short shrift as the two things ATC are experts on are money and drink We'll put it down to a genuine mistake 
I'm quite happy to fly them when on leisure travel and I want to save a few £££ to spend at the other end. Their safety is not in question and the customer service is generally adequate for my expectations of a LoCO carrier.
Been stung for the excess baggage thing once, but it was in the small print and I was aware that it might be charged. (Wasn't charged on the outbound leg but was on the return so it felt nice to get £40 over on O'Leary after his comments about ATC.)
And the only other thing was a cabin crew guy trying to diddle us over the cost of the drinks that a group of thirsty ATC people had ordered on the way to Venice. He got pretty short shrift as the two things ATC are experts on are money and drink
We'll put it down to a genuine mistake I'm quite happy to fly them when on leisure travel and I want to save a few £££ to spend at the other end. Their safety is not in question and the customer service is generally adequate for my expectations of a LoCO carrier.
I have plenty of respect for Ryanairs operational management. Their training, maintenance and basic Ops management seem exemplary.
Whether you like their brand or their product is either here nor there.
Their operation holds good comparison with any other major airline on the fundamentals of punctuality, reliability and safety.
I have a sneaking suspicion that if it was run by Mike Olery, listed on the FTSE, and had G registered aircraft - we would all be bigging it up and trumpeting our success to Johnny Foreigner.
As it is, there is an undeniable dissproportionate level of Ryan-bashing threads on PPRuNe, and there always has been.
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Whether you like their brand or their product is either here nor there.
Their operation holds good comparison with any other major airline on the fundamentals of punctuality, reliability and safety.
I have a sneaking suspicion that if it was run by Mike Olery, listed on the FTSE, and had G registered aircraft - we would all be bigging it up and trumpeting our success to Johnny Foreigner.
As it is, there is an undeniable dissproportionate level of Ryan-bashing threads on PPRuNe, and there always has been.
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Ryanairpilot
Oh dear another hot head FR person.
Im not asking you to believe me. I know what i have seen and it was on a couple of your 732 a few years ago. And if you can remember what you were doing and were you were 8 years ago (without reaching for your log book) then good for you.
I never questioned FR engineering ability try reading the last post properly.
Look i've even pasted it for you to read again.
"Im not concerned with your ability as an engineer to get an FR a/c in the as i dont believe that even Molly would be that stupid to skimp on critical maintenance. But the times i've been in the jump seat some cockpits have been a sea of post it notes and INOP stickers. But I also know that a pilot would not fly an a/c even with ops on his case if he thought it was unsafe
In fact im fully aware that the last thing ANY LoCo carrier needs is a major incident as the first thing they will check is the engineering and the TV and press will have a field day if anything was suspect.
So you can apologise anytime you like also.
One thing is for sure through all of this post is that FR is cr@p on the ground and on some occasions in the air for customer service.
I have not slagged your pilots or engineers or even any of the back room boys. But front of shop you are rubbish and no amount of you losing your rag because of someones opinion is going to change that in my eyes.
eng 123
Sorry you feel that way. If you also read my last post also you will see that i never slagged off your or any FR engineers ability as i have been at the mercy of you guys many a time. But no amount of your or any other FR person slagging me off is going to change what i saw. Maybe the phrase "a sea of" was a bit dramatic, I give you that.
Ryanairpilot
Do you act like this when somebody says something you don't like on the flight deck as well? This site is about open dialogue and a forum to express your concerns and opinions and im NOT sorry for excercising that right.
At the end of the day FR will continue to make lots of money for the forseable future but not from me and like you eng123 im bored of this as well, as im wasting valuable drinking time preaching to the converted and to those who see it differently.
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With regard to your last line...why do you think that is? Just as some FR bashing is unjust some of it is totally justified.
Oh dear another hot head FR person.
Im not asking you to believe me. I know what i have seen and it was on a couple of your 732 a few years ago. And if you can remember what you were doing and were you were 8 years ago (without reaching for your log book) then good for you.
I never questioned FR engineering ability try reading the last post properly.
Look i've even pasted it for you to read again.
"Im not concerned with your ability as an engineer to get an FR a/c in the as i dont believe that even Molly would be that stupid to skimp on critical maintenance. But the times i've been in the jump seat some cockpits have been a sea of post it notes and INOP stickers. But I also know that a pilot would not fly an a/c even with ops on his case if he thought it was unsafe
In fact im fully aware that the last thing ANY LoCo carrier needs is a major incident as the first thing they will check is the engineering and the TV and press will have a field day if anything was suspect.
So you can apologise anytime you like also.
One thing is for sure through all of this post is that FR is cr@p on the ground and on some occasions in the air for customer service.
I have not slagged your pilots or engineers or even any of the back room boys. But front of shop you are rubbish and no amount of you losing your rag because of someones opinion is going to change that in my eyes.
eng 123
Sorry you feel that way. If you also read my last post also you will see that i never slagged off your or any FR engineers ability as i have been at the mercy of you guys many a time. But no amount of your or any other FR person slagging me off is going to change what i saw. Maybe the phrase "a sea of" was a bit dramatic, I give you that.
Ryanairpilot
Do you act like this when somebody says something you don't like on the flight deck as well? This site is about open dialogue and a forum to express your concerns and opinions and im NOT sorry for excercising that right.
At the end of the day FR will continue to make lots of money for the forseable future but not from me and like you eng123 im bored of this as well, as im wasting valuable drinking time preaching to the converted and to those who see it differently.
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With regard to your last line...why do you think that is? Just as some FR bashing is unjust some of it is totally justified.
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WWW,PPruNe Radar and aerobat,what a nice,refreshing change it is to see some level headed and respectable post's on here about FR.Nearly choked on my tea reading it!
The last two post's are bizarre in the extreme! As for the one before that,why would anyone submit a completely blank post with no text on it whatso-ever?
The last two post's are bizarre in the extreme! As for the one before that,why would anyone submit a completely blank post with no text on it whatso-ever?