BA reroute Gulf flights via Larnaca
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Propaganda and others keep missing the point. The BA crew flew into the waiting arms of the Bagdhad Wanderers, didn't they? So BA no longer overnighting has more to do with fear of terrorists, surely?
That fear may be warranted in Saudi, but elsewhere? Perhaps BA is being diplomatic and withdrawing from the region so as not to insult any particular (lucrative) destination? Or maybe it is just operationally easier to do what they have. Either way, I don't mind that it has happened; maybe spectators here are reading in the wrong reasons. Whatever the reason, there isn't going to be much recreational travel in the near future. The sky is thick with mil types today. If you know what I mean.
ps. I don't feel at all threatened here in the UAE. It's all very calm.
That fear may be warranted in Saudi, but elsewhere? Perhaps BA is being diplomatic and withdrawing from the region so as not to insult any particular (lucrative) destination? Or maybe it is just operationally easier to do what they have. Either way, I don't mind that it has happened; maybe spectators here are reading in the wrong reasons. Whatever the reason, there isn't going to be much recreational travel in the near future. The sky is thick with mil types today. If you know what I mean.
ps. I don't feel at all threatened here in the UAE. It's all very calm.
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just my $0.05...
when most of you think BA made a right decision... just remember your colleagues from majors like AF, TAP Portugal, exSabena and many other smaller operators who flying scheduled (including layovers) into Dark Africa, Kinshasa, Brazzaville, Luanda, Khartoum, N'Djamena to name but a few... if you seriuosly considering that Gulf region (even during another war) would be more dangerous than named African's locations - you are living on another planet...
just returned from Kabul, where I've spent few days on business, so my personal opition the personal risk there is similar to Chicago. should we ban Chicago as well?
when most of you think BA made a right decision... just remember your colleagues from majors like AF, TAP Portugal, exSabena and many other smaller operators who flying scheduled (including layovers) into Dark Africa, Kinshasa, Brazzaville, Luanda, Khartoum, N'Djamena to name but a few... if you seriuosly considering that Gulf region (even during another war) would be more dangerous than named African's locations - you are living on another planet...
just returned from Kabul, where I've spent few days on business, so my personal opition the personal risk there is similar to Chicago. should we ban Chicago as well?
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Dumpvalve, I was detained and transported back to my hotel during a Dahran stayover for jogging one early morning in shorts by the seaside. The constabulary were very polite and gave me a lecture, purely for my own protection. BTW, I am a hairy male.
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BA also operate layovers in certain parts of Darkest Africa, Luanda being one (spent a couple of days there between Christmas and New Year). The reason for the move is likely to be to prevent us being caught with our trousers down, unlike last time. Doubtless we are in deep discussion with our insurers as well, bearing in mind they had to pay for a new jumbo last time!
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Just came back from the Dubai before the staff travel embargo was implemented. The greatest threat out there was from the Taxi drivers who tried (unsuccessfully) to rip us off. This is probably the first of many changes that BA will implement before and after the War kicks Off. If it keeps me in a job I'm all for it.
We played in a football tournament, with staff from all over the place, at the piss up, later that night the subject of Sadaam didn't even come up, more came up in the morning but that's not the point.
The quicker the situation is resolved, the better. Let's hope that this time it is done completely and properly so that we aren't back here a decade from now.
We played in a football tournament, with staff from all over the place, at the piss up, later that night the subject of Sadaam didn't even come up, more came up in the morning but that's not the point.
The quicker the situation is resolved, the better. Let's hope that this time it is done completely and properly so that we aren't back here a decade from now.
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No, I'm not a BA-hater, but I despise their arrogance. They believe they can mess their customers around and no-one squeals. Well, I know they are having to book large numbers of pax who refuse to accept an enroute stop in Cyprus onto other airlines.
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Mmmm, interesting comment Goldstone .
The last gulf war (when the airspace was open) found BA routing well away from Iraq terrotory, adding extra time to the journey.
Obviously you would have been happy to fly with the airlines that were keeping to the old routes with the "nav light" running along the boundary so as not to delay you important passengers.
Their policy of switching off the moving map and keeping you in the dark as to your exact location obvoiusly worked!
The last gulf war (when the airspace was open) found BA routing well away from Iraq terrotory, adding extra time to the journey.
Obviously you would have been happy to fly with the airlines that were keeping to the old routes with the "nav light" running along the boundary so as not to delay you important passengers.
Their policy of switching off the moving map and keeping you in the dark as to your exact location obvoiusly worked!
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I don't see any signs of arrogance from BA, and frankly I think you're being rather naive if you think nobody at BA considered the commercial impact of this. If the passengers are given the choice of either staying with BA or being re-booked by BA on a different carrier then what else do you expect the company to do? If the passengers dislike BA that much then I'm sure they'll be thrilled to be re-booked on another carrier.
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Hi HotDog, the reason you were sent back to your hotel room to change was because Dahran is in Saudi and not Dubai, on the bright side, at least you know now that it was not because of your hairy body.
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What Dumpvalve states is very true Dahran is in Saudi which is currently in year 1423
Dubai is in the UAE and is most definately in year 2003 and you really ought to see what the totty is wearing aroung the City Centre Mall
What Dumpvalve states is very true Dahran is in Saudi which is currently in year 1423
Dubai is in the UAE and is most definately in year 2003 and you really ought to see what the totty is wearing aroung the City Centre Mall
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No signs of arrogance at BA, Hand Solo? Are you looking at the same airline as I am? They're so arrogant they continue to make elementary mistakes regarding the running of their business on a daily basis. Why, because they refuse to listen to people both inside and outside the company who maybe have an alternative strategy which should be considered. Let's look at some recent examples of the lack of long term strategic thinking:
1. Let's start a low-fare airline. Let's sell our low fare airline.
2. Let's start a German domestic airline. Let's sell our German airline.
3. Let's expand at Gatwick. Let's contract the LGW operation. Let's build a hub at Gatwick. Let's de-hub Gatwick.
4. We need big aircraft so that we can develop the LHR hub and benefit from all the opportunities for connecting traffic. We need smaller aircraft because we don't want all the connecting traffic ... the yield is too low,
5. Let's have ethnic tail-fins. Let's not have ethnic tail-fins.
6. Franchising for short-haul is the way to go. No, we'll buy the franchise carriers. Next, close down many of the routes.
My son could have done a better job planning BA's strategy with the benefit of A Level Business Studies. It's laughable. Incompetency at an alarming level.
1. Let's start a low-fare airline. Let's sell our low fare airline.
2. Let's start a German domestic airline. Let's sell our German airline.
3. Let's expand at Gatwick. Let's contract the LGW operation. Let's build a hub at Gatwick. Let's de-hub Gatwick.
4. We need big aircraft so that we can develop the LHR hub and benefit from all the opportunities for connecting traffic. We need smaller aircraft because we don't want all the connecting traffic ... the yield is too low,
5. Let's have ethnic tail-fins. Let's not have ethnic tail-fins.
6. Franchising for short-haul is the way to go. No, we'll buy the franchise carriers. Next, close down many of the routes.
My son could have done a better job planning BA's strategy with the benefit of A Level Business Studies. It's laughable. Incompetency at an alarming level.
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Funny how all of Goldstones points are the ideas of Bob Ayling, and all the changes were implemented by Rod Eddington. I suppose he'd just like Rod to carry on as if nothing was wrong with the airline. If those points are your definition of arrogance then I guess you really wouldn't like easyjet either:
1. Lets grow organically. No lets buy another airline.
2. Lets pay our crews well. No lets cut their pay and demoralise them.
3. Lets stick to one proven low cost type. No lets switch the entire fleet to Airbus.
Perhaps your prodigy son should start his own airline then you'd be rich enough to leave Doha?
1. Lets grow organically. No lets buy another airline.
2. Lets pay our crews well. No lets cut their pay and demoralise them.
3. Lets stick to one proven low cost type. No lets switch the entire fleet to Airbus.
Perhaps your prodigy son should start his own airline then you'd be rich enough to leave Doha?
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According the 'oracle' -The Gulf News' 03/03/03 here in Dubai BA have had to do YET ANOTHER CHANGE to the schedules after significant pax discontent in the area.
Although all flights still operate via LCA BA have decided to resume the LHR-MCT service ...so is it commercailly viable this week but not last week?? but only 2 flts a week.....
DXB gets 11 flts a week, AUH 3 a week (dont think that the capital/federal authorities will be too impressed by the snub of shifting the flts down the coast but probably makes sense as PAX are still coming here ...Desert Classic this week & Gold Cup Racing toward the end of the month!!)
The suggested service schedule is a follows:
Six to BAH
Three to KWT
Three to Doha
Two to MCT
Four to Jeddah
Three to Riyadh
No confirmation of timings or details of this on the BA website.....
No doubt there will be some more fine adjustments before they commit themselves to the screens!!
Still dont feel that these changes will do much to retieve the image of BA in the UAE .......SLF's will vote with their feet to other DIRECT NON STOP services to/from DXB...
Let us all hope that the situation is rectified soon so that we can back to some form of normality.....
Although all flights still operate via LCA BA have decided to resume the LHR-MCT service ...so is it commercailly viable this week but not last week?? but only 2 flts a week.....
DXB gets 11 flts a week, AUH 3 a week (dont think that the capital/federal authorities will be too impressed by the snub of shifting the flts down the coast but probably makes sense as PAX are still coming here ...Desert Classic this week & Gold Cup Racing toward the end of the month!!)
The suggested service schedule is a follows:
Six to BAH
Three to KWT
Three to Doha
Two to MCT
Four to Jeddah
Three to Riyadh
No confirmation of timings or details of this on the BA website.....
No doubt there will be some more fine adjustments before they commit themselves to the screens!!
Still dont feel that these changes will do much to retieve the image of BA in the UAE .......SLF's will vote with their feet to other DIRECT NON STOP services to/from DXB...
Let us all hope that the situation is rectified soon so that we can back to some form of normality.....
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The story has hit the Peninsula and the Gulf Times in sunny Doha, note the following quote from Harvey Lines, Area Mgr Northern Gulf:
"The exact timings of these new flights will be published at the end of this week"
Several confused slf around here, much as I love BA I think the words brewery and p..s up come to mind....
"The exact timings of these new flights will be published at the end of this week"
Several confused slf around here, much as I love BA I think the words brewery and p..s up come to mind....
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DD speaks true.....although you will doubtless now be assailed by the blue-clad hordes and possibly even struck down by the wrath of Rod...
BA really has got its collective frillies in an unseemly twist.
BA really has got its collective frillies in an unseemly twist.
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Suggs,
Slightly "off-thread" but, as a long-standing "Dubaiphile", what exactly did your taxi driver do?
With the emergence of "franchised" taxis, I thought that was a thing of the past. Any "meter" fraud would end with loss of job. Are they risking this?
Slightly "off-thread" but, as a long-standing "Dubaiphile", what exactly did your taxi driver do?
With the emergence of "franchised" taxis, I thought that was a thing of the past. Any "meter" fraud would end with loss of job. Are they risking this?