New Start - Global Airlines

[GrimeySky]

Originally Posted by back to Boeing

I’m sceptical. But im impressed with the CV of the CCO. Lots of relevant experience and a lot of contacts. Including being communications director at the CAA for nearly 6 years.

So the PR guy at a public body. That's a long, long way from the top commercial post in a highly competitive market.

[TwinAisle]

Originally Posted by GrimeySky

Spot on! But I think that getting an AOC and a viable operation before summer 2024 might be above even HIS pay grade!

On the stuff I’ve seen - he claims to have his AOC and OL already. Which tells you all you need to know about him and his “airline”….

[GrimeySky]

Originally Posted by TwinAisle

On the stuff I’ve seen - he claims to have his AOC and OL already. Which tells you all you need to know about him and his “airline”….

Maybe Asquith just hasn't realised that the CAA actually publish the list of UK AOC holders!

[PAXboy]

I can give them one piece of free advice: Start with one aircraft and see how it goes.

OK, two pieces of advice: Don't forget to have a website that is not liable to be hacked, can hold your clients details and money safe and give you control over everything - that means, don't outsource it. Have the people running it sitting in a room where you can reach out and grab them (warmly) by the throat. Also, have the site built ready to interact with your App. You don't have to have that day one but folks will expect it and, again, it will give you more control.

[LGS6753]

Surely all the items mentioned above, and the exhaustive check-lists shown, are further complicated by the fact that this is an A380 operation. An aircraft unlike any other in current operation that requires expertise that is bound to be a rare commodity even amongst the best suppliers.

[VickersVicount]

where are all these A380 equipped stands/gates at suitable slot times, or are they going for the classy remote stand bussing?

[TwinAisle]

Originally Posted by VickersVicount

where are all these A380 equipped stands/gates at suitable slot times, or are they going for the classy remote stand bussing?

Now that's a very good question. I think he wants LGW as his base - and (I stand to be corrected, ho ho) there is only one 380 stand at LGW - the one that EK use, out on the terminal annex that is connected to the North Terminal by the bridge.

"Dear Sir Tim. Can we use your stand, pretty much 24/7"

"Get stuffed".

TA

[Apron Artist]

Originally Posted by TwinAisle

Now that's a very good question. I think he wants LGW as his base - and (I stand to be corrected, ho ho) there is only one 380 stand at LGW - the one that EK use, out on the terminal annex that is connected to the North Terminal by the bridge.

"Dear Sir Tim. Can we use your stand, pretty much 24/7"

"Get stuffed".

TA

It's stand 558 now, on Pier 5, but it was stand 110 on Pier 6 over the bridge as you state. Seems the Emirates passengers didn't like the long walk across to Pier 6 and "persuaded" LGW to build a stand closer.

[GrimeySky]

I think anyone looking at Global should perhaps take a step back... it is not an airline. It's not more than an idea.

Allegedly they have bought (?) some A380s.

But they have no AOC.

The mere fact that they are still referring to a 'Spring 2024' launch of services should be evidence enough that they are not serious. There is no way that is going to happen. So why waste too much energy picking apart their 'plans' - because there is obviously little solid behind them.

Sure, they are getting a bit of interest on Social Media - from bloggers and 'influencers' who presumably are angling for a freebie on an inaugural service. There'll be some predictable UK media coverage - the tabloids always love an 'underdog'. But the term innovator (and I predict soon, comparisons with 'the new Richard Branson'!) requires that you have actually ACHIEVED something. Buying some mothballed behemoth from a field in France does not count.

Asquith posts about his 'rockstar team' and their achievements. Yesterday on his 'right hand man' - QUOTE 'a loyal, hardworking and trustworthy innovative, disruptive thinker - mixed with the experience and skill set to match. The rarest of combinations. You like everyone here, make Global Airlines what it is...' UNQUOTE

But what IS Global? What have they so far 'made' Global into?

Nothing. It's not an airline. It's just an idea.

And based on the statements so far ('ops in Spring 2024') anything that they are saying needs to be taken with a large pinch of salt. Because all evidence indicates that they don't really have a clue about running an airline. Yeah, they've hired some ops people. (Every one of them a 'guru' according to Asquith - another overused and generally meaningless term!)

Currently therefore it seems that Global is mainly operating in that most dangerous of areas - where they still don't know what they don't know. (Clue: apparently from their statements, that's a lot!)

[Less Hair]

It sounds more like a virtual airline from Microsoft Flight Simulator than any serious business venture? There is no AOC on the UK registry.

[TwinAisle]

Originally Posted by Apron Artist

It's stand 558 now, on Pier 5, but it was stand 110 on Pier 6 over the bridge as you state. Seems the Emirates passengers didn't like the long walk across to Pier 6 and "persuaded" LGW to build a stand closer.

Ah I'm indebted to you - every day is a learning day. The last time I did it it was over the bridge, but that was probably seven years ago. Does that mean there are now TWO stands for the 380 at LGW?

Whoo hoo.....

TA

[TwinAisle]

Originally Posted by GrimeySky

I think anyone looking at Global should perhaps take a step back... it is not an airline. It's not more than an idea.

Allegedly they have bought (?) some A380s.

But they have no AOC.

The mere fact that they are still referring to a 'Spring 2024' launch of services should be evidence enough that they are not serious. There is no way that is going to happen. So why waste too much energy picking apart their 'plans' - because there is obviously little solid behind them.

Sure, they are getting a bit of interest on Social Media - from bloggers and 'influencers' who presumably are angling for a freebie on an inaugural service. There'll be some predictable UK media coverage - the tabloids always love an 'underdog'. But the term innovator (and I predict soon, comparisons with 'the new Richard Branson'!) requires that you have actually ACHIEVED something. Buying some mothballed behemoth from a field in France does not count.

Asquith posts about his 'rockstar team' and their achievements. Yesterday on his 'right hand man' - QUOTE 'a loyal, hardworking and trustworthy innovative, disruptive thinker - mixed with the experience and skill set to match. The rarest of combinations. You like everyone here, make Global Airlines what it is...' UNQUOTE

But what IS Global? What have they so far 'made' Global into?

Nothing. It's not an airline. It's just an idea.

And based on the statements so far ('ops in Spring 2024') anything that they are saying needs to be taken with a large pinch of salt. Because all evidence indicates that they don't really have a clue about running an airline. Yeah, they've hired some ops people. (Every one of them a 'guru' according to Asquith - another overused and generally meaningless term!)

Currently therefore it seems that Global is mainly operating in that most dangerous of areas - where they still don't know what they don't know. (Clue: apparently from their statements, that's a lot!)

A fabulous post, thank you GS. The only thing I would add though is that he is out there trying to raise money on the back of this idea. And that is really really naughty.

[Dannyboy39]

Naughty maybe. But a fool and his money are soon parted.

In all seriousness, personally I think this attempt at starting an airline is almost a bit of a Micky take of our industry. People who don’t know what they’re doing can get seriously hurt in many ways.

[Sotonsean]

Originally Posted by TwinAisle

Ah I'm indebted to you - every day is a learning day. The last time I did it it was over the bridge, but that was probably seven years ago. Does that mean there are now TWO stands for the 380 at LGW?

Whoo hoo.....

TA

There is only the ONE A380 gate currently at LGW which is as mentioned situated at Gate 558 on Pier 5.

There was a reason why the A380 gate was relocated to Pier 5. And it had nothing to with what has been mentioned by another poster 🤔

The original A380 gate on Pier 6 was relocated to gate 558 on Pier 5 in 2019 as part of a planned extension to Pier 6.

Pier 6 is eventually going to be extended to accommodate up to eight narrow body contact stands.

Construction of the Pier 6 extension was intended to commence in 2020 with completion for 2022.

In March 2020 LGW announced that the Pier 6 extension would be mothballed until 2022.

Preparatory works have already been completed which included the A380 gate being relocated to Pier 5 along with the realignment of the nearby taxiways. Construction of the Pier 6 extension is expected to commence sometime in 2024.

There are literally plenty if not loads of information and images online with the details and images regarding the future Pier 6 extension at LGW.

NATS aircraft docking charts show the area concerned as under construction. Google earth shows the area concerned in great detail.

[Apron Artist]

Originally Posted by Sotonsean

There is only the ONE A380 gate currently at LGW which is as mentioned situated at Gate 558 on Pier 5.

There was a reason why the A380 gate was relocated to Pier 5. And it had nothing to with what has been mentioned by another poster 🤔

The original A380 gate on Pier 6 was relocated to gate 558 on Pier 5 in 2019 as part of a planned extension to Pier 6.

Pier 6 is eventually going to be extended to accommodate up to eight narrow body contact stands.

Yes, Sotonsean, I should have also mentioned the Pier 6 extension plan as well. It was a win/win for both Emirates and easyJet - easier access for the Emirates passengers and more stands for the big orange. Pier 6 currently already has 8 narrow body contact stands, with stand 102 being widebody - regularly occupied by a TUI Dreamliner.

[dc9-32]

He might want to have a rethink on the company name..........

Iraq's Global Airlines secures first aircraft, an A321

[toledoashley]

Originally Posted by GrimeySky

I think anyone looking at Global should perhaps take a step back... it is not an airline. It's not more than an idea.

Allegedly they have bought (?) some A380s.

But they have no AOC.

The mere fact that they are still referring to a 'Spring 2024' launch of services should be evidence enough that they are not serious. There is no way that is going to happen. So why waste too much energy picking apart their 'plans' - because there is obviously little solid behind them.

Sure, they are getting a bit of interest on Social Media - from bloggers and 'influencers' who presumably are angling for a freebie on an inaugural service. There'll be some predictable UK media coverage - the tabloids always love an 'underdog'. But the term innovator (and I predict soon, comparisons with 'the new Richard Branson'!) requires that you have actually ACHIEVED something. Buying some mothballed behemoth from a field in France does not count.

Asquith posts about his 'rockstar team' and their achievements. Yesterday on his 'right hand man' - QUOTE 'a loyal, hardworking and trustworthy innovative, disruptive thinker - mixed with the experience and skill set to match. The rarest of combinations. You like everyone here, make Global Airlines what it is...' UNQUOTE

But what IS Global? What have they so far 'made' Global into?

Nothing. It's not an airline. It's just an idea.

And based on the statements so far ('ops in Spring 2024') anything that they are saying needs to be taken with a large pinch of salt. Because all evidence indicates that they don't really have a clue about running an airline. Yeah, they've hired some ops people. (Every one of them a 'guru' according to Asquith - another overused and generally meaningless term!)

Currently therefore it seems that Global is mainly operating in that most dangerous of areas - where they still don't know what they don't know. (Clue: apparently from their statements, that's a lot!)

His ‘team’ is also just an ‘advisory panel’, which is quite different from an ‘executive board’ actually in control of what they are doing.

[DaveReidUK]

Originally Posted by dc9-32

He might want to have a rethink on the company name..........

Iraq's Global Airlines secures first aircraft, an A321

https://www.planespotters.net/photo/...bus-a321-231wl

[Lord Bracken]

Originally Posted by PAXboy

OK, two pieces of advice: Don't forget to have a website that is not liable to be hacked, can hold your clients details and money safe and give you control over everything - that means, don't outsource it. Have the people running it sitting in a room where you can reach out and grab them (warmly) by the throat. Also, have the site built ready to interact with your App.

Have you told British Airways this?

[PAXboy]

Heh Heh, Lord Bracken. If you know a sure way to reach the IT Director, please publish it here so that we can all enlighten him {I expect it is a him}