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Old 28th Jan 2024, 20:58
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According to planespotters.net Global has now registered A380 N123KK - the FAA website does indeed list a change of registration on the 30th of January though it is through a trustee so Global isn't actually mentioned.
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Global's aircraft not to be confused with the previous registrant of N123KK, a Cessna 340 which crashed in 2016 killing the solo pilot.
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Global's aircraft not to be confused with the previous registrant of N123KK, a Cessna 340 which crashed in 2016 killing the solo pilot.
The unfortunate result of the FAA re-allocating registration markings. Since re-allocated the N122A that I remember was a DC6 which met a fiery end by flying into a mountain in Oman.
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Old 1st Feb 2024, 12:08
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Originally Posted by southamptonavgeek
According to planespotters.net Global has now registered A380 N123KK - the FAA website does indeed list a change of registration on the 30th of January though it is through a trustee so Global isn't actually mentioned.
Global did indeed take ownership of the aircraft. As far as I understand, only US registered companies can have an aircraft registered in the US - so when they own one on the US register they have to be registered through a trustee.
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Global Airlines Acquires China Southern Airbus A380 - One Mile at a Time
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Global Airlines Ltd, E&W company number 13508008: no shares issued beyond the usual £100, no other capital-related documents filed with Companies House yet, no obvious subsidiaries or holding company. Registered address is london-virtualoffice.com, £60 / month minimum cost.
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Old 3rd Feb 2024, 14:17
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So has the money come from somewhere other than the company on the registration certificate?
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Old 3rd Feb 2024, 20:13
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Bit confused.
What can they do with this Maltese registration when it comes to serve their stated UK to US market?

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Old 3rd Feb 2024, 21:50
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So has the money come from somewhere other than the company on the registration certificate?
I thought we’d been through this. Global Airlines Ltd. is a subsidiary of Holiday Swap Group Ltd. Holiday Swap Group Ltd. has been selling shares at a premium on the basis of the value of Global Airlines Ltd. Please keep up.
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'Please keep up'
That's the problem. Nobody can!
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I appreciate an A380 isn't especially sought after but even so, they've got to be worth well in excess of £15m to buy outright? Have they really managed to sell £15m worth of shares on the promise of an airline which is planning to offer the A380 as a charter operation before maybe one day, once countless licensing issues are resolved, operating Gatwick > New York?

More money than sense if that's what you're investing in.
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Originally Posted by cavokblues
I appreciate an A380 isn't especially sought after but even so, they've got to be worth well in excess of £15m to buy outright? Have they really managed to sell £15m worth of shares on the promise of an airline which is planning to offer the A380 as a charter operation before maybe one day, once countless licensing issues are resolved, operating Gatwick > New York?

More money than sense if that's what you're investing in.
They 'own' two. Let's not forget 9H-MIP (MSN6) mouldering at LDE complete with letraset 'GLOBAL' on the side. Or is that.wrong?
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So, £30m or so? I don't understand what competent business people with that sort of money would invest in it at this stage.

All they seem to have done so far is put two A380s on the register of another airline who, unsurprisingly, dumped them a few years ago, because there wasn't a demand for them.
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Old 4th Feb 2024, 11:08
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Originally Posted by runway30
Holiday Swap Group Ltd. has been selling shares at a premium on the basis of the value of Global Airlines Ltd. Please keep up.
That is why I sit at the back and keep quiet mostly.

Help me with imagining the balance sheet, please.

Today, Global Airlines Ltd has a Big Aircraft as an asset and a matching liability to the parent, give or take its own £100 share capital.
Holiday Swap Group Limited has millions of share capital and a big debtor in the form of its subsidiary. All is fine.

In a year's time, assume that the anti-entrepeneurial CAA is dragging its feet over an AOC or whatever, Global Airlines Ltd's big asset has depreciated a bit, the liability to its parent remains the same so net shareholder funds are negative. But the Holiday Swap Group Limited balance sheet is unchanged and is still in fine shape.

What have I got wrong?

Assuming turnover less than £10m and the current 4 employees do not grow to over 50 and they remain private companies no audit is required.
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Old 5th Feb 2024, 15:55
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Originally Posted by oldandpastit
That is why I sit at the back and keep quiet mostly.

Help me with imagining the balance sheet, please.

Today, Global Airlines Ltd has a Big Aircraft as an asset and a matching liability to the parent, give or take its own £100 share capital.
Holiday Swap Group Limited has millions of share capital and a big debtor in the form of its subsidiary. All is fine.

In a year's time, assume that the anti-entrepeneurial CAA is dragging its feet over an AOC or whatever, Global Airlines Ltd's big asset has depreciated a bit, the liability to its parent remains the same so net shareholder funds are negative. But the Holiday Swap Group Limited balance sheet is unchanged and is still in fine shape.

What have I got wrong?

Assuming turnover less than £10m and the current 4 employees do not grow to over 50 and they remain private companies no audit is required.
My understanding is that Global Airlines Ltd. will be subject to audit because of the level of assets.
I further think that Holiday Swap Group Ltd. will have to produce Consolidated Group Accounts.
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Old 5th Feb 2024, 20:28
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