Emirates-2

[notwithstanding]

This question may have been asked before - if so I didn’t see the answer - but could someone explain how Air France, Thai, Malaysian & others could afford to retire these a/c so early in their lifespans; considering the huge cost of buying/leasing them not long beforehand ? And, if they are uneconomic, how come Emirates & BA are still “soldiering on” with them ?

[UnderASouthernSky]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

Finding slots for more flights might be the issue





https://www.flightglobal.com/airline...153733.article

Even if you can obtain additional slots at your busier outstations to maintain overall capacity (which comes at a cost, plus additional airport charges per movement) you need those slots to be well timed to align with the transfer banks at DXB - given the majority of customers connect over there.
Effectively adding another hour or two to total journey time because a new slot is less well-timed may push customers towards competing airlines if prices are similar.

[Rutan16]

Originally Posted by UnderASouthernSky

Even if you can obtain additional slots at your busier outstations to maintain overall capacity (which comes at a cost, plus additional airport charges per movement) you need those slots to be well timed to align with the transfer banks at DXB - given the majority of customers connect over there.
Effectively adding another hour or two to total journey time because a new slot is less well-timed may push customers towards competing airlines if prices are similar.

Not unknown that you end up with a situation such as Cathay with CX251, 239 and 255 grouped together within a 40 minute window. Additional flights don’t automatically lead to additional banks at the hub.

Indeed in the case of Emirates already operate effectively 4 banks
EK002 and EK030 service the same bank with LHR afternoon departure with connections to South Asia and Australia
EK32 and EK04 also share the same bank evening bank
EK08 is the only daytime flight get the best onwards to the sub continent also some of Africa.
EK06 arrives in Dubai for the morning bank of mainly regional connections

Emirtes seem wedded to the banked hub concept rather than a rolling hub ,easy when you don’t have much of a regional commuter network on your books.

[CabinCrewe]

wonder if the FlyDubai 787 order today could supplement/replace/add any UK routes/capacity given their close tie to EK.

[pabely]

Originally Posted by CabinCrewe

wonder if the FlyDubai 787 order today could supplement/replace/add any UK routes/capacity given their close tie to EK.

Reading the announcement new routes the Max cannot reach and add extra capacity where the Max can.
​​​can.
Can't see them coming to the UK.

[AirportPlanner1]

Perhaps it will do thinner and leisure routes into SE Asia etc where it’s a bit of a stretch for a 737 and little/no competition, eg Chiang Mai (ex QR), Krabi (former destination via Yangon), Langkawi, Penang, Siem Reap, Phu Quoc, Vientiane.

Can’t see them being sent to Europe, would have thought a 737 is sufficient for anywhere they could or already fly to.

[OntimeexceptACARS]

Saw elsewhere STC criticising the A350-1000 but confirming a follow on order for the A350-900.

I know the limitations of Simple Flying, but they seemed to be quoting him directly:

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The President seemed happy with the performance of the powerplants for the A350-900, noting that the first of the type will arrive in Dubai in July 2024, entering into service for the peak summer season. But for the -1000, he said that the time on wing is just not what Emirates needs, commenting that,

“If the engine did what we wanted it to do and Rolls-Royce knows what we want it to do, and so does Airbus, then we would re-enter [the Airbus A350-1000] into the assessment for our fleet.”

He detailed that the engines only manage around a quarter of the cycles that Emirates requires, which is around 2,000 - 2,500 cycles. Rolls-Royce noted that it is continually investing in its engines to make improvements throughout their lives and that the XWB-97 on the A350-1000 is no exception.
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Any thoughts from anyone flying the A359 or A35X?

[CabinCrewe]

Seems like EK happy with UK routes into 24
https://travelweekly.co.uk/news/air/...kings-for-2024

[OltonPete]

UK

Originally Posted by CabinCrewe

Seems like EK happy with UK routes into 24
https://travelweekly.co.uk/news/air/...kings-for-2024

Interesting as capacity doesn't seem to be increasing in the UK at present although I realise things can indeed change quickly and I assume the current adjustments are due to aircraft issues/upgrades but does anyone know if this is maintenance related or cabin upgrades related with certain types. I realise if one sub-fleet is reduced it has a knock-on effect for the other fleets and thus expansion.

I had a look at the 615 seat A388 as it is a pretty small sub-fleet and easy to check and was surprised to find so far in January only 5 of the 15 flying of which 4 are on maintenance and 6 yet to reappear post covid. I believe the 615 seat aircraft are not going 4 class is that a correct assumption?

Out of the 4 on maintenance one last flew 11/11/23, another 9/12, one 25/12 another 31/12.

So far only this year only BHX has received the 615 seat aircraft in the UK on a regular basis and Dusseldorf in Europe and the odd Frankfurt service. I realise the time of year can make it an optimum time for maintenance/cabin upgrades and I doubt you can be too fussy if offered a hangar slot but it does seem strange that 4 out of 9 to be out of use at the same time. I seem to remember the Gatwick 777 pre planned but was the Manchester all 3 class service planned as well or is their another driver at play. Is this a non-story or more to it?

Pete

[chaps1954]

Manchester has had an F class flight and is due to again and I believe does pretty well

[tictack67]

I believe only 80 of EK's 120 A380s are in service.

Glasgow also has F class service too, seems to be doing very well if you do a booking search

[Mr Mac]

ticktack67
Well hopefully I will be flying with them for some years to come.

Cheers
Mr Mac

[Seljuk]

Some more resumptions planned/announced:

1st January:
DXB-BCN (EK185/188) from daily B77W to daily A380
DXB-BKK (EK370/371) from daily B77W to daily A380 (5 daily A380 in total)

1st February:
DXB-MXP-JFK (EK205/206) from daily B77W to daily A380 (A380 is suspended during winter 23/24)

19th February:
DXB-ICN (EK324/325) new 3 weekly flight with B77W (daily A380 + 3 weekly B77W in total). EY will increase eff May to 11 weekly so all available 21/7 will be used.

1st April:
DXB-MAD (EK143/144) resumption of 2nd daily flight with B77W

1st June:
DXB-NCE (EK077/078) from daily B77W to daily A380

1st October:
DXB-IAD (EK231/232) from daily B77W to daily A380
DXB-BNE (EK430/431) from daily B77W to daily A380 (double daily A380 in total)

1st December:
DXB-PER (EK424/425) resumption of 2nd daily flight with B77W

7th December:
DXB-GIG-EZE (EK247/248) from 4 weekly to 5 weekly B77L

1st January:
DXB-KUL (EK342/343) from daily B77W to daily A380
DXB-HKG (EK382/383) from daily B77W to daily A380 (3 daily A380 in total)

DXB-LGW (EK011/012)
1st February-30 March A380
31st March-31st July B77W
1st August A380


First A359 should be delivered in Q3/2024.

[VickersVicount]

wonder if the Anniversary party function at GLA in a few months could see return to double daily. F and J often going out full currently.

[mufc4evr]

2nd GLA or EDI will return. It's all due to the cabin refits. Half of the fleet is getting premium economy so it's a case making adjustments until the fleets back to speed. 350s will help at the end of the summer

[Seljuk]

1st June: 31st March
DXB-NCE (EK077/078) from daily B77W to daily A380

1st October: 31st March
DXB-IAD (EK231/232) from daily B77W to daily A380

On the other side all mainland China flights (PEK, PVG, CAN) will be operated by B77W instead of A380. Not sure about the background and if the forward bookings are really not that good despite Chinese airlines resuming/increasing their international flights.

[Mcvicker03]

When’s the next update on aircraft upgrades for destinations that emirates serve?

[bols59]

Unfortunately, Simple Flying seems to be inaccurate more often than not. Obvious details incorrect, to the point that it's almost a parody of reporting.

[Seljuk]

1st June:
DXB-KIX (EK316/317) from daily B77W to daily A380

28th October:
DXB-ADL (EK440/441) resumption of daily flight with B77L

11 daily flights to Australia: SYD 3 x A380, MEL 2 x A380 + 1 x B77W, BNE 2 x A380, PER 1 x A380 + 1 x B77W, ADL 1 x B77L

[Seljuk]

Starting 1st May, a 4th daily with B77W service to Singapore will be launched which will be extended to Phnom Penh
https://www.emirates.com/media-centr...via-singapore/

Starting 3rd June existing daily B77W flight DXB-MIA will be extended to the new destination Bogota
https://www.emirates.com/media-centr...a-from-3-june/