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Terrible though it was, the measurable impact of 9/11 on the airline industry economics were little in evidence just nine months later - not so for Covid. It’s a strange date to use as a baseline for comparisons, that’s all. Why not 20 years ago instead of 22?!
Glasgow’s real issue is that it had some very chunky traffic levels on domestic routes which have fallen away. Historic IT traffic (where Edinburgh has rarely done well) has held up ok and will be a growth area this year. Edinburgh has seen a similar drop on domestic routes but has powered forward on European connectivity and transatlantic traffic, based largely on inbound traffic mix in both cases. Glasgow isn’t really equipped with the same pull in either, so gets the downside without any of the upside.
Glasgow’s real issue is that it had some very chunky traffic levels on domestic routes which have fallen away. Historic IT traffic (where Edinburgh has rarely done well) has held up ok and will be a growth area this year. Edinburgh has seen a similar drop on domestic routes but has powered forward on European connectivity and transatlantic traffic, based largely on inbound traffic mix in both cases. Glasgow isn’t really equipped with the same pull in either, so gets the downside without any of the upside.
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Possibly, however there was also covid. The facts remain that Glasgow is a mere shadow of an airport of what it once was and I also think that a lot of work needs to be done. Regardless of of economic and political issues look how EDI has established itself compared to GLA. Speaks volumes. I never also thought some years ago that in terms of pax GLA would be overtaken by the likes of Lulsgate. It has.
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Back in the mid-late 90's thereabouts GLA was the 4th biggest airport in the UK. Now it holds 9th place. I wonder if in the coming years BFS may even be able to top them. They really need to try and get the Ryanair base back, that could add a million passengers to the total in the first year easily if they played their cards right.
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2019 Total: 24,224,652
EDI: 14,737,497
GLA: 8,847,100
PIK: 640,055
2023 Total: 22,169,801
EDI: 14,288,907
GLA: 7,358,828
PIK: 522,066
So there is approximately 2 million less passengers in Scotland in 2023 than 2019, both GLA and EDI are expected to grow this year. Bosses at GLA have made a public claim of an extra 1 million passengers, and I would expect EDI have a number in mind, just not made public.Innsbruck - 3024
Salzburg - 1512
Vienna - 4,800
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I get slightly different EDI and PIK figures for 2023 (I'm taking mine from CAA Table 8 - not sure if that's the correct way to do it or not).
but my key takeaway from the figures is that Glasgow numbers were trending down pre-pandemic, while Edinburgh's numbers were trending up.
but my key takeaway from the figures is that Glasgow numbers were trending down pre-pandemic, while Edinburgh's numbers were trending up.
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Initial W24/25 flights on sale now (note that easyJet usually carry over the previous winter schedule then make changes between April-June) so I suspect this will change
- Agadir - 1 weekly
- Alicante - 3 weekly in Nov-Dec & Feb, 2 weekly in Jan
- Amsterdam - 4 weekly in Nov & Jan, 5 weekly in Dec and Feb
- Barcelona - 2 weekly
- Belfast City - 2 weekly
- Belfast Intl - 24 weekly in Nov-Dec & Feb, 20 weekly in Jan
- Berlin - 2 weekly
- Birmingham - 8 weekly
- Bristol - 19 weekly in Nov Jan and Feb, 18 weekly in Dec,
- Faro - 2 weekly in Nov Jan and Feb, 3 weekly in Dec
- Geneva - 4 weekly
- Gran Canaria - 2 weekly
- Hurghada - 2 weekly
- Jersey - 2 weekly
- Lisbon - 2 weekly
- London Gatwick - 23 weekly in Nov and Feb, 25 weekly in Dec, 19 weekly in Jan
- London Luton - 18 weekly in Nov-Dec & Feb, 13 weekly in Jan
- London Stansted - 13 weekly in Nov & Feb, 12 weekly in Dec, 11 weekly in Jan
- Malaga - 3 weekly
- Paris CDG - 10 weekly in Nov, 11 weekly in Dec & Feb, 9 weekly in Jan
- Southampton - 2 weekly
- Tenerife - 2 weekly
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Maybe I'm a grump but most of them seem so uninspiring... I wish they'd introduce new cities or at least up frequencies. I'm sure Amsterdam could be daily and Barcelona, Berlin, Lisbon and Tenerife could be much more frequent then twice weekly. Madrid, Copenhagen and Nice for example seem like obvious gaps missing from Glasgow... Appreciate I don't know the commercial factors though but it would be nice for a bit more ambition!
Maybe I'm a grump but most of them seem so uninspiring... I wish they'd introduce new cities or at least up frequencies. I'm sure Amsterdam could be daily and Barcelona, Berlin, Lisbon and Tenerife could be much more frequent then twice weekly. Madrid, Copenhagen and Nice for example seem like obvious gaps missing from Glasgow... Appreciate I don't know the commercial factors though but it would be nice for a bit more ambition!
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I used to attend meetings in person. Now, since covid, most are conducted by Zoom or Teams so substantially increasing efficiency and reducing costs. Definitely less suits at airports now and that is not going to change.
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Maybe I'm a grump but most of them seem so uninspiring... I wish they'd introduce new cities or at least up frequencies. I'm sure Amsterdam could be daily and Barcelona, Berlin, Lisbon and Tenerife could be much more frequent then twice weekly. Madrid, Copenhagen and Nice for example seem like obvious gaps missing from Glasgow... Appreciate I don't know the commercial factors though but it would be nice for a bit more ambition!
Given the lack of Ryanair routes from the airport, it should provide easyJet with exclusive access to most routes, Ryanair haven't yet reacted to WIZZ Air launching from GLA
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Air Transat appears to removing Monday flights to Toronto 6 or so weeks earlier than planned for this summer. Route operates 6 weekly from September 16th until the end of the season.
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I'm not at all surprised. The price for Toronto to EDI is much lower for most dates on WestJet. As low as £144 one way in September.
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I think as well it is also a case of Halifax now being reintroduced from EDI means that some Toronto passengers will fly from there rather than transit, same with Calgary. It will be interesting given AC appears to be going back to seasonal at EDI what happens with the Canadian market which has seen some rapid changes in the last 2 years.
Been nothing but BA adverts for fly to the world via Glasgow to LHR & LGW on Forth One radio at all hours for the past month, but as for services from Edinburgh to London and thence to the rest of the world-NADA.
I have to admit that I haven't been able to listen to Clyde One over the same period, but I doubt they'll be advertising flights tot he world from LHR & LGW via Edinburgh....
It kind of leads one to wonder if either the load factors out of GLA are tanking, or BA has just actually noticed that they do have customers north of Watford whose flights they usually bin at the first sign of an issue and are trying to curry favour, or BA have gone back to the '70's and are effectively trying to wipe anywhere except GLA & PIK off the service map....
Or, the simple explanation that BA advertising folks still just have no concept of geography outside the M25.
I have to admit that I haven't been able to listen to Clyde One over the same period, but I doubt they'll be advertising flights tot he world from LHR & LGW via Edinburgh....
It kind of leads one to wonder if either the load factors out of GLA are tanking, or BA has just actually noticed that they do have customers north of Watford whose flights they usually bin at the first sign of an issue and are trying to curry favour, or BA have gone back to the '70's and are effectively trying to wipe anywhere except GLA & PIK off the service map....
Or, the simple explanation that BA advertising folks still just have no concept of geography outside the M25.
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Been nothing but BA adverts for fly to the world via Glasgow to LHR & LGW on Forth One radio at all hours for the past month, but as for services from Edinburgh to London and thence to the rest of the world-NADA.
I have to admit that I haven't been able to listen to Clyde One over the same period, but I doubt they'll be advertising flights tot he world from LHR & LGW via Edinburgh....
It kind of leads one to wonder if either the load factors out of GLA are tanking, or BA has just actually noticed that they do have customers north of Watford whose flights they usually bin at the first sign of an issue and are trying to curry favour, or BA have gone back to the '70's and are effectively trying to wipe anywhere except GLA & PIK off the service map....
Or, the simple explanation that BA advertising folks still just have no concept of geography outside the M25.
I have to admit that I haven't been able to listen to Clyde One over the same period, but I doubt they'll be advertising flights tot he world from LHR & LGW via Edinburgh....
It kind of leads one to wonder if either the load factors out of GLA are tanking, or BA has just actually noticed that they do have customers north of Watford whose flights they usually bin at the first sign of an issue and are trying to curry favour, or BA have gone back to the '70's and are effectively trying to wipe anywhere except GLA & PIK off the service map....
Or, the simple explanation that BA advertising folks still just have no concept of geography outside the M25.
Been Up & down the A9 & A90 a fair bit for work in the past month & it just seems to be on Forth. Nothing doing up in inverness & not a cheep on Northsound, but I do love their Inverurie furniture store ads
. Only once heard an GLAdvert on TayFM {or whatever they're calling themselves) and that was early March.
I've no particular point, it just seems innocuous to try to entice people to drive past one airport to catch a connecting flight to the same hub as the airport that they have to drive past also has multiple daily flights to. I could see the sense if it was Fly from GLA with BA and have an EH, KY or FK postcode & we'll give you a 5% discount........
. Only once heard an GLAdvert on TayFM {or whatever they're calling themselves) and that was early March.I've no particular point, it just seems innocuous to try to entice people to drive past one airport to catch a connecting flight to the same hub as the airport that they have to drive past also has multiple daily flights to. I could see the sense if it was Fly from GLA with BA and have an EH, KY or FK postcode & we'll give you a 5% discount........
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Subject to Change, but Lufthansa CityLine appears to have removed its Glasgow to Munich route from sale for this winter, load factor in Jan was approx 57%, pretty poor for a new route.
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Emirates marks 20 years of service to Glasgow. Sounds like it was a bit of a jolly for those attending. No news (or questions asked?) about the return of the 2nd flight or in the wider Scottish context, the return of EDI.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...asgow-airport/
The world’s largest international airline is celebrating two decades of flying to and from Glasgow Airport.
To mark the 20-year milestone on Tuesday, Emirates flight EK027, served by its iconic A380, arrived at Glasgow Airport, with a celebration including a Bagpiper.
The flight was flown by Paisley-born Pilot FO Lewis Ferguson, who worked his way up from the airport’s security team to a First Officer for Emirates.
In the 20 years since its inaugural flight on April 10, 2004, Emirates has carried more than 5.62 million passengers on 18,990 roundtrip flights to and from Dubai.
As well as facilitating inbound tourism and contributing to the local economy, Emirates operations from Glasgow Airport see hundreds of tonnes of cargo transported each week. In 2023 alone, Emirates transported more than four million kgs of cargo via its daily service to Dubai.
Richard Jewsbury, Emirates divisional vice president in the UK, said: "We’re proud to have served Scotland via Glasgow for more than 20 years, connecting millions of passengers and facilitating valuable trade across our global network.
"We have seen significant growth over the last two decades and forward bookings for this route were up 51% year-on-year in 2024.
"We’d like to sincerely thank all our stakeholders including the local community, customers, businesses, suppliers, ground handlers, the Scottish Government, local authorities, Glasgow Airport and travel agents for their unwavering support over the past two decades as we reach this milestone.
"Glasgow remains a key market from both passenger and cargo perspectives and is a hugely popular destination for our passengers around the world.
"We look forward to continuing to provide our best-in-class services and greater connectivity to Scotland."
Ronald Leitch, interim chief operations officer at AGS Airports, added: "The Glasgow Dubai service has been a resounding success story for Glasgow and the wider region.
"It was Scotland’s first route to the Middle East and remains the country’s only direct service to Dubai.
"Both airport and airline have celebrated so many milestones during the last two decades, such as the opening of the stunning Emirates’ lounge in 2014, the first visit of the A380 that same year and then the introduction of the world’s largest passenger aircraft into daily service in 2019 and again last year.
"Despite being a daily occurrence, the arrival and departure of Scotland’s only A380 service still captures the imagination of passengers, the public and our airport colleagues.
"I remember vividly the first Emirates’ flight coming in to land all those years ago.
"In the ensuing years, this service has been instrumental in connecting Scotland’s leisure and business travellers through the world’s busiest international airport in Dubai. Equally, the service also plays a significant role in ensuring hundreds of thousands of tonnes of Scotland’s finest goods are exported globally each year.
"To mark 20 years of this hugely important service at Glasgow Airport is a tremendous honour and achievement for Scotland."
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...asgow-airport/
The world’s largest international airline is celebrating two decades of flying to and from Glasgow Airport.
To mark the 20-year milestone on Tuesday, Emirates flight EK027, served by its iconic A380, arrived at Glasgow Airport, with a celebration including a Bagpiper.
The flight was flown by Paisley-born Pilot FO Lewis Ferguson, who worked his way up from the airport’s security team to a First Officer for Emirates.
In the 20 years since its inaugural flight on April 10, 2004, Emirates has carried more than 5.62 million passengers on 18,990 roundtrip flights to and from Dubai.
As well as facilitating inbound tourism and contributing to the local economy, Emirates operations from Glasgow Airport see hundreds of tonnes of cargo transported each week. In 2023 alone, Emirates transported more than four million kgs of cargo via its daily service to Dubai.
Richard Jewsbury, Emirates divisional vice president in the UK, said: "We’re proud to have served Scotland via Glasgow for more than 20 years, connecting millions of passengers and facilitating valuable trade across our global network.
"We have seen significant growth over the last two decades and forward bookings for this route were up 51% year-on-year in 2024.
"We’d like to sincerely thank all our stakeholders including the local community, customers, businesses, suppliers, ground handlers, the Scottish Government, local authorities, Glasgow Airport and travel agents for their unwavering support over the past two decades as we reach this milestone.
"Glasgow remains a key market from both passenger and cargo perspectives and is a hugely popular destination for our passengers around the world.
"We look forward to continuing to provide our best-in-class services and greater connectivity to Scotland."
Ronald Leitch, interim chief operations officer at AGS Airports, added: "The Glasgow Dubai service has been a resounding success story for Glasgow and the wider region.
"It was Scotland’s first route to the Middle East and remains the country’s only direct service to Dubai.
"Both airport and airline have celebrated so many milestones during the last two decades, such as the opening of the stunning Emirates’ lounge in 2014, the first visit of the A380 that same year and then the introduction of the world’s largest passenger aircraft into daily service in 2019 and again last year.
"Despite being a daily occurrence, the arrival and departure of Scotland’s only A380 service still captures the imagination of passengers, the public and our airport colleagues.
"I remember vividly the first Emirates’ flight coming in to land all those years ago.
"In the ensuing years, this service has been instrumental in connecting Scotland’s leisure and business travellers through the world’s busiest international airport in Dubai. Equally, the service also plays a significant role in ensuring hundreds of thousands of tonnes of Scotland’s finest goods are exported globally each year.
"To mark 20 years of this hugely important service at Glasgow Airport is a tremendous honour and achievement for Scotland."
