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Needed most of the PIK runway, or chose to use most of it? Big difference. Unlikely it was fully fuelled from EDI or at MTOW anyway.The aircraft only had an engine shutdown, it wasn't on fire. So, in the event of PIK not being available, the crew would reasonably have had time to stay airborne to select a suitable landing runway or even would have been justified to firstly lose some fuel weight nearby if they thought they'd be tight in stopping at EDI or even GLA.
of dumping fuel.
The pax video clearly showed flames coming from somewhere under the wing
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It could have gone the way of Doncaster.Airpoet.
Anyway, I suppose that's a positive view on PIK, going by Pprune not held by many it seems, others seem to relish the thought of any decline in Scottish aviation.
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This is literally only in your own mind. I have seen no evidence that anyone on these boards is happy at any decline in Scottish aviation as such. Our infrastructure is a mess, we have two too many airports in the central belt for the traffic we have, the fair criticism is that localism and a lack of strategic national interest may be holding Scottish aviation back. That and the fact that Patrick Harvie and that poor wee obviously bullied at school ginger chap hate aviation with every fibre of their angry little beings. And that's nor pprune, I'd look closer to home for anti Scottish aviation sentiment.
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The problem has always been the passenger terminal. Thats what loses money at Prestwick and thats what dilutes the growth of GLA. Prestwick also done very well out of COP26 and Covid so as we move further away from that, it'll be interesting to see how those are replaced. If they were to bulldoze that oversized relic of a terminal and repurpose it then I think that be the best deal for all. Stop propping up a FR operation and allow them to move up the road to open a base at GLA, which they would, if for nothing more than keeping EDI honest.
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The problem has always been the passenger terminal. Thats what loses money at Prestwick and thats what dilutes the growth of GLA. Prestwick also done very well out of COP26 and Covid so as we move further away from that, it'll be interesting to see how those are replaced. If they were to bulldoze that oversized relic of a terminal and repurpose it then I think that be the best deal for all. Stop propping up a FR operation and allow them to move up the road to open a base at GLA, which they would, if for nothing more than keeping EDI honest.
Are you serious, "PIK is diluting growth at GLA" ?
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Why would PIK base any aircraft going forward at GLA when they get a sweetheart deal at PIK? Of course GLA needs to be better run and more competitive. As long as FR have a cheaper option to do business at two spots in the West, GLA is going to have a problem. It is undeniable that growth is somewhat stifled by this.
In terms of keeping GLA honest, if you think Central Scotland needs three commercial airports within a 70 mile stretch then you are tuned to the moon. Two is bad enough.
In terms of keeping GLA honest, if you think Central Scotland needs three commercial airports within a 70 mile stretch then you are tuned to the moon. Two is bad enough.
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PIK's runway and it's sheer footprint are an asset and that should be the focus. The terminal however is not and all it does it spread aviation in the West of Scotland even thinner than it already has become. Thats a 1960s terminal built for housing Transatlantic traffic, not a handful of Ryanair flights to the Med. When the time comes regarding the long term future of the passenger terminal it should be demolished. Would be scandalous to rebuild at the taxpayers expense, assuming it doesn't eventually find a private buyer after all these years.
Scottish Airports PLC had many faults but they were able to have a lowlands airport strategy, albeit one that many locals rightly disagreed with. One airport was favoured to be the gateway, GLA was built out and PIK was expected to be run down and closed, leaving GLA as Scotland's holiday and long haul hub and EDI to deal with local domestic and European traffic. Revenue from all four airports, including ABZ went through the parent entity and eventually to BAA in London. That allowed spending decisions to be made strategically rather than each airport standing alone, remember STN was built off the back off LHR and LGW profits! Long term decision making was a thing, if not always right.... GLA would never have had the West pier built on it's own merits, there was a group direction. Look at Spain with AENA, not perfect by a long way, but they have some half decent infrastructure.
There's no medium term scope for any similar strategy, if you see GLA/EDI/PIK as competing rather than complementing then you end up where we are today, and frankly we're stuck with it. I imagine the cost of demolishing the 1964 terminal at PIK would be prohibitive, there's got to be aload of asbestos in there somewhere. So as in many businesses, just like EDI, they kick the can, pay some dividends and spaff some PR. It is what it is.
There's no medium term scope for any similar strategy, if you see GLA/EDI/PIK as competing rather than complementing then you end up where we are today, and frankly we're stuck with it. I imagine the cost of demolishing the 1964 terminal at PIK would be prohibitive, there's got to be aload of asbestos in there somewhere. So as in many businesses, just like EDI, they kick the can, pay some dividends and spaff some PR. It is what it is.
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Of course if Scottish Airports PLC hadn’t been required by the MMC (or was it the Competition Commission by then?) to sell off either GLA or EDI things might be very different by now, but whether better or worse is debatable. In fact “Does inter airport competition always improve the passenger experience - discuss” would make an interesting exam question or learned paper.
"Revenue from all four airports, including ABZ went through the parent entity and eventually to BAA in London. That allowed spending decisions to be made strategically rather than each airport standing alone, "
Which of course meant that through all the N Sea boom years Aberdeen was a cash cow and received almost nothing in return with money being shovelled into the bottom less pit at Prestwick and upgrades seemingly restricted to GLA & EDI - because that's were the voters were
Which of course meant that through all the N Sea boom years Aberdeen was a cash cow and received almost nothing in return with money being shovelled into the bottom less pit at Prestwick and upgrades seemingly restricted to GLA & EDI - because that's were the voters were
Which of course meant that through all the N Sea boom years Aberdeen was a cash cow and received almost nothing in return with money being shovelled into the bottom less pit at Prestwick and upgrades seemingly restricted to GLA & EDI - because that's were the voters were
The biggest irony for me is that PIK survives, even prospers off the back off the US War Machine. (not a criticism from me, I well remember the Starlifters supporting the Holy Loch) and yet it's arms length owned by an openly anti American SNP/Green government. They're happily having their cake and eating it.