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A typical response from Loganair when faced with any competition. Whilst I can understand the MAN route being withdrawn, the NCL/EDI routes are a surprise unless forward bookings are dire.The Bonds have always been hugely risk-averse and while there's no harm in that, it does make you wonder what the future holds for them in what is likely to become a much more competitive market. SOU in particular is likely to become a significant base for Flybe as new aircraft arrive and their Scottish routes are likely to come under even more attack from the new Flybe company. Loganair's success has been mainly predicated on carefully choosing non-competed PSO backed predominantly Scottish highlands and islands flying as well as the LDY PSO that they inherited after engineering the transfer from sister company BMI. I fear for the future of Loganair as the Bonds seem to be losing their appetite for bankrolling it and it's common knowledge in the airline community that they have been peddling it for sale for some time with no takers.
What about the situation at Newquay? We seem to be in the position that the airport (owned by the County Council) is offering inducements to an airline to compete against a PSO route that is being subsidised by the County Council?
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Originally Posted by TartinTon
A typical response from Loganair when faced with any competition. Whilst I can understand the MAN route being withdrawn, the NCL/EDI routes are a surprise unless forward bookings are dire.The Bonds have always been hugely risk-averse and while there's no harm in that, it does make you wonder what the future holds for them in what is likely to become a much more competitive market. SOU in particular is likely to become a significant base for Flybe as new aircraft arrive and their Scottish routes are likely to come under even more attack from the new Flybe company. Loganair's success has been mainly predicated on carefully choosing non-competed PSO backed predominantly Scottish highlands and islands flying as well as the LDY PSO that they inherited after engineering the transfer from sister company BMI. I fear for the future of Loganair as the Bonds seem to be losing their appetite for bankrolling it and it's common knowledge in the airline community that they have been peddling it for sale for some time with no takers.
Loganair has held out in competition to easyJet on MAN/NQY, MAN/ABZ and MAN/IOM and hasn't run away. It's not a "typical response".
An airline only needs bankrolling if it's losing money. That's more a question for Flybe than Loganair - Loganair doesn't need "bankrolling".
Any company is for sale if the price is right. You don't need to look too far back on the Flybe thread to see that Cyrrus were hawking Flybe around for sale before it had even flown a single passenger. No takers. Funny, that!
Leaving Flybe and Eastern to fight it out in NQY is a win/win for Loganair. Both will come off worse from the fight and Loganair won't have lost money watching from the sidelines so will be the strongest of the three out the other side. Leaves plenty of time before battle commences in SOU where the Loganair press blurb makes clear that ground will be defended. Especially so when you have a bunch of Loganair people still irked about the hit to their BRAL pensions from Flybe 1...and I can tell you for one that they're very real and very irked.
By all means post utter drivel if it helps you feel better, but it really is drivel.
Especially so when you have a bunch of Loganair people still irked about the hit to their BRAL pensions from Flybe 1...and I can tell you for one that they're very real and very irked.
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There is a very thin dividing line between legality and morality.
The fight will be just as much of a grudge match as the first round. I've no doubts as to who will win and that's assuming one of the two contestants even makes it through the next six months to the starting line.
The fight will be just as much of a grudge match as the first round. I've no doubts as to who will win and that's assuming one of the two contestants even makes it through the next six months to the starting line.
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Truly one of the most satirical posts on here for some time. If you're working for Flybe in some capacity or consultancy (or have an axe to grind post bmir) then it's normal to declare an interest btw.
Loganair has held out in competition to easyJet on MAN/NQY, MAN/ABZ and MAN/IOM and hasn't run away. It's not a "typical response".
An airline only needs bankrolling if it's losing money. That's more a question for Flybe than Loganair - Loganair doesn't need "bankrolling".
Any company is for sale if the price is right. You don't need to look too far back on the Flybe thread to see that Cyrrus were hawking Flybe around for sale before it had even flown a single passenger. No takers. Funny, that!
Leaving Flybe and Eastern to fight it out in NQY is a win/win for Loganair. Both will come off worse from the fight and Loganair won't have lost money watching from the sidelines so will be the strongest of the three out the other side. Leaves plenty of time before battle commences in SOU where the Loganair press blurb makes clear that ground will be defended. Especially so when you have a bunch of Loganair people still irked about the hit to their BRAL pensions from Flybe 1...and I can tell you for one that they're very real and very irked.
By all means post utter drivel if it helps you feel better, but it really is drivel.
Loganair has held out in competition to easyJet on MAN/NQY, MAN/ABZ and MAN/IOM and hasn't run away. It's not a "typical response".
An airline only needs bankrolling if it's losing money. That's more a question for Flybe than Loganair - Loganair doesn't need "bankrolling".
Any company is for sale if the price is right. You don't need to look too far back on the Flybe thread to see that Cyrrus were hawking Flybe around for sale before it had even flown a single passenger. No takers. Funny, that!
Leaving Flybe and Eastern to fight it out in NQY is a win/win for Loganair. Both will come off worse from the fight and Loganair won't have lost money watching from the sidelines so will be the strongest of the three out the other side. Leaves plenty of time before battle commences in SOU where the Loganair press blurb makes clear that ground will be defended. Especially so when you have a bunch of Loganair people still irked about the hit to their BRAL pensions from Flybe 1...and I can tell you for one that they're very real and very irked.
By all means post utter drivel if it helps you feel better, but it really is drivel.
There's a difference between "Any company is for sale if the price is right" and the owners actively hawking the company. Perhaps you should ask your superiors and see what they say?
I'm not knocking Logans business model in terms of actively searching out non-competed PSOs and making profit out of them. Makes sound business sense. But they are massively risk-verse and hate competition.
Flybe have declared that they are looking to grow to 30+ aircraft by 2024 and become the UK/Europe's leading regional carrier and you can bet that there will be significant overlap and encroachment onto Logans current network.
It will be interesting to see if Logan stay and fight or run away.
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
What about the situation at Newquay? We seem to be in the position that the airport (owned by the County Council) is offering inducements to an airline to compete against a PSO route that is being subsidised by the County Council?
It's more likely that it's seen as a better use of LHR slots than LBA and with a sound knowledge of the historic market.
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I dunno who the tagged Saab 2000 Driver is but as their profile says they're in Basel, probably nowt to do with Loganair 
At least if you're the official Flybe mouthpiece on here as you seem to be then be transparent about it. Consulting gig after leaving the broker world is it?
You're right tho - there's a difference between a company being hawked around and being for sale only if the price is right. The first applies to Flybe, the second to Loganair!
Some of the Loganair PSOs are long long standing operations but a quick count says maybe 7 out of 44 aircraft on PSOs. One look at recent fleet changes will tell you all you need to know about where the real energy is going.
The stuff about LBA and NQY is a good laugh. If Flybe 2 "bought the brand and data accrued by Flybe 1" then it's made some piss poor decisions using it. If you had the data to show NQY was so strong then why the sit-com of LBA/LHR that we've all just watched? They must have spaffed at least a million quid up the wall in Leeds on a crap idea which turned out to be every bit as crap as most said it would be. Newquay is the saviour but you've had the data all along to show how good it was?
At least if you're the official Flybe mouthpiece on here as you seem to be then be transparent about it. Consulting gig after leaving the broker world is it?You're right tho - there's a difference between a company being hawked around and being for sale only if the price is right. The first applies to Flybe, the second to Loganair!
Some of the Loganair PSOs are long long standing operations but a quick count says maybe 7 out of 44 aircraft on PSOs. One look at recent fleet changes will tell you all you need to know about where the real energy is going.
The stuff about LBA and NQY is a good laugh. If Flybe 2 "bought the brand and data accrued by Flybe 1" then it's made some piss poor decisions using it. If you had the data to show NQY was so strong then why the sit-com of LBA/LHR that we've all just watched? They must have spaffed at least a million quid up the wall in Leeds on a crap idea which turned out to be every bit as crap as most said it would be. Newquay is the saviour but you've had the data all along to show how good it was?
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Originally Posted by Saabdriver1
I dunno who the tagged Saab 2000 Driver is but as their profile says they're in Basel, probably nowt to do with Loganair At least if you're the official Flybe mouthpiece on here as you seem to be then be transparent about it. Consulting gig after leaving the broker world is it?
You're right tho - there's a difference between a company being hawked around and being for sale only if the price is right. The first applies to Flybe, the second to Loganair!
Some of the Loganair PSOs are long long standing operations but a quick count says maybe 7 out of 44 aircraft on PSOs. One look at recent fleet changes will tell you all you need to know about where the real energy is going.
The stuff about LBA and NQY is a good laugh. If Flybe 2 "bought the brand and data accrued by Flybe 1" then it's made some piss poor decisions using it. If you had the data to show NQY was so strong then why the sit-com of LBA/LHR that we've all just watched? They must have spaffed at least a million quid up the wall in Leeds on a crap idea which turned out to be every bit as crap as most said it would be. Newquay is the saviour but you've had the data all along to show how good it was?
At least if you're the official Flybe mouthpiece on here as you seem to be then be transparent about it. Consulting gig after leaving the broker world is it?You're right tho - there's a difference between a company being hawked around and being for sale only if the price is right. The first applies to Flybe, the second to Loganair!
Some of the Loganair PSOs are long long standing operations but a quick count says maybe 7 out of 44 aircraft on PSOs. One look at recent fleet changes will tell you all you need to know about where the real energy is going.
The stuff about LBA and NQY is a good laugh. If Flybe 2 "bought the brand and data accrued by Flybe 1" then it's made some piss poor decisions using it. If you had the data to show NQY was so strong then why the sit-com of LBA/LHR that we've all just watched? They must have spaffed at least a million quid up the wall in Leeds on a crap idea which turned out to be every bit as crap as most said it would be. Newquay is the saviour but you've had the data all along to show how good it was?
But they are massively risk-verse and hate competition.
Flybe have declared that they are looking to grow to 30+ aircraft by 2024 and become the UK/Europe's leading regional carrier and you can bet that there will be significant overlap and encroachment onto Logans current network.
It will be interesting to see if Logan stay and fight or run away.
Flybe have declared that they are looking to grow to 30+ aircraft by 2024 and become the UK/Europe's leading regional carrier and you can bet that there will be significant overlap and encroachment onto Logans current network.
It will be interesting to see if Logan stay and fight or run away.
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LM dropping NQY sends a clear message to the other regional airports it supports. For EXT and SOU dont forget that those are LM, GR and SI hubs where they work together. Kick one they all limp?
If you follow anyone from LM on Linkedin you'll end up seeing a lot of LM content, you'll also have then seen that they've been busy on the south coast sending their sales managers around, supposedly working with the Sales managers from both GR and SI also. They even ventured to the IOW. Either prepping for a fight or most likely... putting the leg work in to build a sustainable business. It comes across to me that Flybe just expected all their old pax to come back without putting in much effort to get them back.
If you follow anyone from LM on Linkedin you'll end up seeing a lot of LM content, you'll also have then seen that they've been busy on the south coast sending their sales managers around, supposedly working with the Sales managers from both GR and SI also. They even ventured to the IOW. Either prepping for a fight or most likely... putting the leg work in to build a sustainable business. It comes across to me that Flybe just expected all their old pax to come back without putting in much effort to get them back.
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Good news!
with apparently no press release at all, Emerald have put on sale NQY-BHD for summer ‘23. 4pw, the best - ever frequency to Belfast. Also, Edelweiss returning next year. With APD reducing in April, anyone for Ryanair back on STN?
with apparently no press release at all, Emerald have put on sale NQY-BHD for summer ‘23. 4pw, the best - ever frequency to Belfast. Also, Edelweiss returning next year. With APD reducing in April, anyone for Ryanair back on STN?
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Certainly was more to come.
Ryanair
Dublin 3xweekly starts 26th March
London Stansted 3x weekly starts 26th March
Malaga 2x weekly starts 4th May
taken from SeanM on Twitter
Ryanair
Dublin 3xweekly starts 26th March
London Stansted 3x weekly starts 26th March
Malaga 2x weekly starts 4th May
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Another good sign. Humberside gains a Thursday rotation from May.Reported elsewhere that NQY-FAO has the highest operating margins of all Ryanair routes to the UK from Faro. Hence the third rotation when the route resumes next summer.
