Newquay-2

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

TartinTon Loganair's schedule ops don't even break even. Even with expensive airfares, it's not like they're making a fortune, they get by and turn a profit when charters and cargo get thrown in. I believe it's a 3% margin.

They're so expensive because they fly prop aircraft on high frequency shedules to the Highlands and Islands and the regions, if they do too well on volume, Ryanair or easyJet swoop in and Loganair depart, but frequency falls to about one daily. Flybe had low fares and high costs and went bust twice. Loganair have high cost and high fares and are celebrating 60 years of (almost but not quiet, thank you British Regional Airlines) continuous operations.

[SWBKCB]

As others have pointed out, flying small aircraft on thin routes is never going to be cheap.

Agree your point about the humblebrag, though.

[willy wombat]

Oh dear, TartinTon. I don’t know what Loganair’s done to upset you but you do come across as bitter. Loganair has a business model that works - smaller aircraft, higher frequency and realistic fares. Flybe one and two had a business model that didn’t work. Relatively small aircraft with high costs (from an economics point of view, give me an ATR72 over a dash 8 400 any day) but trying to offer fares more appropriate for 737/320 type aircraft. Combine this with a spider’s web type network and what did you expect? Einstein allegedly defined insanity as doing the same thing again and again and expecting a different result, which would seem to apply to Flybe v2 vs v1.
If you look back over this thread you will see that I have been totally consistent in my view that Flybe v2 was simply a slot scam. However it appears (IMHO) that the management was too inept even to carry that out successfully.

[willy wombat]

Whoops. I thought I was posting in the Flybe thread so in fairness, in this thread you won’t find any claims from me that Flybe 2 was a slot scam but there’s plenty in the Flybe thread

[BA318]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

As others have pointed out, flying small aircraft on thin routes is never going to be cheap.

Agree your point about the humblebrag, though.

Why shouldn’t he brag. Flybe1 tried to fight them and he won. Then Flybe2 came along with all the talk about enough money to fly empty for two years etc and again his business is still going and made a profit. At least he shows some personality and his staff seem to like him.

[SWBKCB]

Originally Posted by BA318

Why shouldn’t he brag. Flybe1 tried to fight them and he won. Then Flybe2 came along with all the talk about enough money to fly empty for two years etc and again his business is still going and made a profit. At least he shows some personality and his staff seem to like him.

That's not the point of the post being discussed, though. Most dictionary definitions define bragging with reference to arrogance and boasting - not really an appropriate tone in the circumstances

[cavokblues]

In relation to Newquay, Loganair might not be as cheap as Flybe but when compared to the rail options they're very competitive. Cheaper and much quicker.

If you book for two months ahead they're £60 one way from Newquay to Manchester which seems fair.

[Copenhagen]

Tim Jeans was interviewed on Monday morning by BBC4 wake up to business. He failed to mention the airline taking on the Manchester route. Talk about missing an open goal.

[Wycombe]

Loganair NQY-MAN starts today.

In other news, RYR will be flying NQY-EDI twice weekly from the first weekend in June.
This is in addition to the previously announced NQY to STN and DUB, both 3 weekly from the end of March.

[GROUNDHOG]

Anyone likely to take on LHR again, BA did it last summer from memory.