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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
The local authorities play hard ball and imply to Peel that any development plans they may have for the site will be subject to prolonged scrutiny...
That wouldn't work. If the planning authority unreasonably drag their feet on any planning application, an applicant can appeal to the Secretary of State on the basis of non-determination, thus taking the decision out of the local authority's hands.
Originally Posted by tartan 201
That wouldn't work. If the planning authority unreasonably drag their feet on any planning application, an applicant can appeal to the Secretary of State on the basis of non-determination, thus taking the decision out of the local authority's hands.
That wouldn't work. If the planning authority unreasonably drag their feet on any planning application, an applicant can appeal to the Secretary of State on the basis of non-determination, thus taking the decision out of the local authority's hands.
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Originally Posted by TimmyW
Also, are TUI and Wizz going to stick around waiting for something that may not happen?
Derrr… Are those the companies that are taking bookings for next year?
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Who said anything about "unreasonable"??
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Originally Posted by tartan 201
The council would have eight weeks to determine any planning application.
All the pre planning of Gateway East is based on the Airport being active.
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Originally Posted by G-FORZ
A decision can be ‘No’
All the pre planning of Gateway East is based on the Airport being active.
All the pre planning of Gateway East is based on the Airport being active.
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You can’t blame Wizz or Tui for upping sticks given the announcement by peel, airlines don’t like uncertainty! Forward bookings might have fallen off a cliff given the announcement? I certainly won’t be booking a flight out of DSA until I know it’s staying open 😢
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Originally Posted by tartan 201
In which case the applicant has the right to appeal to the Planning Inspectorate. The key point is that the applicant has the ability to take the decision out of the local authority's hands if either the LA drags their heels in making a decision or refuses permission. So the idea that the local authority can use their role in the planning system to have leverage over Peel in sale negotiations is not accurate.
On the planning side their opinions were if change of use were refused, or the requirements for an active airport enforced an appeal could take place. However that would take in the order of 20-30 weeks, backed up by govt estimates, and both thought that as this were such a significant development in size and original scope , that it would likely go to a further planning enquiry in the appeal process. So the options for Peel aren’t likely to be a fast track process.
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Originally Posted by Buster the Bear
Wizz are off to Leeds according to rumour.
The more logical location for them to look at is LTN or EMA, both CATIII capable. EMA though is as awkward to get to from Lincoln as LBA is in either public transport or road, LTN’s traditional outreach to the east and East Midlands (as Buster the Bear will be professionally familiar with) still works. There’s good reason why EZY/GO didn’t expand at EMA, and that’s because of the ease of access to LTN/STN for the pax.
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Originally Posted by jumpseater
Of the options available to them and the core catchment area of their DSA customers that would be an unusual choice because of its relatively awkward location to get to. If they were to drag and drop their operations to LBA the timings are in conflict with the arrival wave of the based traffic, and the fact LBA often suffer weather related issues in winter would give WZZ some challenges operationally. Those aircraft are on last sectors rotations so having aircraft stuck or diverting immediately gives them the problem of crew hours/divert cost, and if they wait for connecting pax coming from LBA. MAN isn’t a great deal further by road, and accessible by train easily, LBA isn’t so LBA isn’t the simple go to option, and it’s not where their core market is.
The more logical location for them to look at is LTN or EMA, both CATIII capable. EMA though is as awkward to get to from Lincoln as LBA is in either public transport or road, LTN’s traditional outreach to the east and East Midlands (as Buster the Bear will be professionally familiar with) still works. There’s good reason why EZY/GO didn’t expand at EMA, and that’s because of the ease of access to LTN/STN for the pax.
The more logical location for them to look at is LTN or EMA, both CATIII capable. EMA though is as awkward to get to from Lincoln as LBA is in either public transport or road, LTN’s traditional outreach to the east and East Midlands (as Buster the Bear will be professionally familiar with) still works. There’s good reason why EZY/GO didn’t expand at EMA, and that’s because of the ease of access to LTN/STN for the pax.
Jumpseater... I agree Luton and Stansted are great for public transport... but for somebody wanting to travel to/from the main urban centres in Yorkshire and NE England... are they perhaps just a bit too far away for ground travel ?
Lincoln has pretty lousy public transport to many places... I would suggest public transport to Sheffield, Leeds and Newcastle as major cities should be the reference points in replacing DSA for Wizz
Lincoln has pretty lousy public transport to many places... I would suggest public transport to Sheffield, Leeds and Newcastle as major cities should be the reference points in replacing DSA for Wizz
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Originally Posted by Robert-Ryan
Would have thought MME might have been in with a shout given DSA were said to have nicked Wizz from them in the first place?
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Originally Posted by jumpseater
The more logical location for them to look at is LTN or EMA, both CATIII capable. EMA though is as awkward to get to from Lincoln as LBA is in either public transport or road, LTN’s traditional outreach to the east and East Midlands (as Buster the Bear will be professionally familiar with) still works. There’s good reason why EZY/GO didn’t expand at EMA, and that’s because of the ease of access to LTN/STN for the pax.
Lincoln has pretty lousy public transport to many places... I would suggest public transport to Sheffield, Leeds and Newcastle as major cities should be the reference points in replacing DSA for Wizz
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Don't think WIZZ going to Leeds is that surprising. The next nearest airport they would have a presence is Liverpool and West Yorkshire is a large growing catchment as is. Despite being away from motorways its still more centralised than Humberside or Teeside and not as far north as Newcastle. Yorkshire/North East aviation needs consolidation not a diluted setup of several small airports. DSA no loss whatsoever to the commercial sector.
