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Old 26th Mar 2021, 14:23
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I think finals are dictated to be in Gib air space but civvy flights come down through Spanish airspace and are handed off to Gib from Seville Centre. Likewise if they abort they get handed straight over to Malaga. Its the Military flights that cannot overfly Spanish air space (Nato) if too and from Gib. Although to be fair this is being discussed at high level to resolve it.
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Old 26th Mar 2021, 14:35
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Page 2 says otherwise in the notes http://www.europlanet.de/vaFsP/charts/LXGB.pdf

When I flew to Gib a couple of years ago the pilot hinted this was the reason for the late turn onto finals

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Old 30th Mar 2021, 11:45
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I see the Foreign Secretary turned up in Gibraltar yesterday for a political visit and arrived in a 146 of Jota rather than one of the RAF`s ..Obviously the Northolt aircraft wouldn`t have received permission to overfly Spain, enroute to and from Gibraltar, so the Government had to charter a civvy jet to get him there and back quicker...
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 11:49
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So how do the A400m, C17 and C130 get to Gib then from UK if not allowed in Spanish AIr Space? I thought the use of the 146 was because the RAF ones were pretty much finished.
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 12:01
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This has been a running sore for decades. The Spanish have always denied military aircraft the right to use their airspace, whilst travelling to and from Gibraltar. So they all route eventually through Portugese air space and sometimes even into Morocco in order to get to their destination. A similar situation exists with the Royal Navy whereby their ships are denied entry to Spanish ports if they are travelling to or from Gibraltar. Its true that discussions are going on with the present Spanish Government to try to resolve this problem..

Re the 146`s they are being phased out but still ongoing afaik..
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 12:45
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I sailed with the Royal Navy from Cadiz to Gibraltar on Hms Cumberland in the early 90s.
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 12:58
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Has been routine since 1989. Its all to do with Spanish sovereignty claims over Gibraltar
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 14:09
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Off message, I know, but I've always found it a slightly ironic case when you think about the Spanish enclave on the tip of Morocco which is in the same position and could be claimed back.
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 03:22
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Yes it is ironic...also I always found it mildly amusing that at AGP the airfield was pretty much dominated by British registered aircraft flying to just about every major and not so major city in the UK...gotta love the Spanish hate us....love us...hate us again...🙈
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 04:46
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They have two of them of course, Ceuta, just across the Strait of Gibraltar in Morocco and Melilla, directly South of the Sierra Nevada, across the Alboran Sea, also on the Moroccan coast. Then, whilst not an enclave, there’s also a Spanish Navy base on a small Island just to the North of Melilla, Alboran Island.
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 05:21
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There has been much reporting in Spain of Gibraltar’s vaccination campaign, which is now almost complete with 10,000 Spanish workers also being vaccinated.

It might be that this summer only Gibraltar will have unrestricted access to U.K. holidaymakers seeking the Mediterranean but Gibraltar’s hotel availability is very small which will stifle demand at the airport.
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 06:38
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For me Gib is only worth a one night stay, but you can cross over in to Spain as Gibraltar is now in the Schengen area - for how long no one knows - but the catch is you can only go into Cadiz province. So if you fancy a visit to Marbella etc your going to be unlucky. I have a very close friend who lives in Malaga province but works in Gib, she is allowed to travel across the border into Cadiz province and vice versa. So be aware if you are caught you will be fined heavily. I found the Spanish police friendly and helpful, but if you step out of line - you have been warned!
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 06:45
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Can you still fly from GIB to Tamgier?
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 06:56
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Royal Air Marco operated both CMN & TNG with ATR72 aircraft but both are currently suspended due to the COVID pandemic
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 18:14
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Alteagod

I would imagine that's the worlds shortest intercontinental flight
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 18:47
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Helity operate Algeciras-Ceuta... and there is (or used to be) a helicopter route between the 2 sides of Istanbul
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 19:31
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At least if you on your holybobs in GIB you could two centre with Morocco when flights resume
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Old 1st Apr 2021, 12:38
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I was under the impression Gib’s entry to Shengen was not concluded yet. There are some wrinkles to iron out first with respect to Frontex and Spain.
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Old 1st Apr 2021, 13:44
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Yes that issue is starting to look very drawn out. They did a deal on the back of a fag packet last New Years Eve but its all stalled since then. GBC is now reporting local controversy re the Volotea route from Bilbao with queries being raised whether or not the route licences are actually in place. The, rather incredulous response from the Gib Government was, its ok by us, we presume Volotea has sorted it all out their end....hmm
Watch this space eh
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Old 3rd Apr 2021, 12:31
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I don't think the Volotea route will happen any time soon...
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