Bournemouth-5

[FRatSTN]

Originally Posted by davidjohnson6

BHX-NTE was indeed Easyjet rather than Ryanair. However, Easyjet and Ryanair are each LCCs with a similiar business model and a sizeable presence in both the UK and France.... they are comparable airlines.
Fares on BHX-NTE were significantly lower, sometimes drastically lower, than (for example) LGW-NTE on a consistent basis for S22 and S23. Any route which has low yields will quickly move into the "small fish to fry" category :-)

EasyJet and Ryanair may well be comparable in that they fundamentally fall into the perceived LCC category, but their cost base and margins on particular routes will be far from so.

I'm not saying BOH-NTE will necessarily be a roaring success, or likewise that BHX-NTE doesn't have potential. Frankly I doubt many of us posting on these pages have any real indication as to how well specific routes are performing in line with expectations for each carrier.

[RA85684]

Nantes is probably a really decent, astute shout from Ryanair out of Bournemouth. The wealthy catchment has already been established in a comment above, not to mention that it will tap into SOU's now almost non-existent French market since the demise of Flybe. It's exactly the same distance as NCL-LHR, to the mile, which means that the aircraft is rarely ever going to be in the air for more than 45 minutes and even based on block times, it's due back at BOH 3 hours after it leaves. It shouldn't be an issue at all for Ryanair to simultaneously lure people in with low fares and turn a profit on this route. Nice shout, good for Bournemouth. Its nice to see things going well.

[Sharklet_321]

BOH-NTE

Not sure if it’s been mentioned already, but Ryanair did in fact previously serve this route from Bournemouth back in April 2008. It was only operated for one summer season as it was not continued in 2009. However, a lot of route cuts were happening across the UK between 2008 and 2009 as the financial crisis took hold.

It will be interesting to see how this route responds and whether it comes back in 2025. I’m inclined to believe that people may well use it as access to the UK, rather than Bournemouth per se, if the fares are £15 each way.

[globetrotter79]

Pre-pandemic, Southampton served about 15,000 passengers annually to Nantes (plus roughly another 10,000 each to Rennes and La Rochelle) as part of a pretty reasonably-sized flybe network to regional France.
SInce Ryanair have already launched Bournemouth to EGC and CCS, as someone on here has already said it looks very much like they're parking their tanks on Southampton's lawn.
Assuming there's still a similar 'local' market demand from south of England to these parts of France, if Ryan are putting about 13,000 seats into the Bournemouth-NTE market then logically it looks like this ought to work.

[Asturias56]

Originally Posted by RA85684

Nantes is probably a really decent, astute shout from Ryanair out of Bournemouth. The wealthy catchment has already been established in a comment above, not to mention that it will tap into SOU's now almost non-existent French market since the demise of Flybe. It's exactly the same distance as NCL-LHR, to the mile, which means that the aircraft is rarely ever going to be in the air for more than 45 minutes and even based on block times, it's due back at BOH 3 hours after it leaves. It shouldn't be an issue at all for Ryanair to simultaneously lure people in with low fares and turn a profit on this route. Nice shout, good for Bournemouth. Its nice to see things going well.

way back Ryanair suddenly stuck an afternoon flight on from Stansted to Esbjerg - they could round trip it in less than 4hours. It wasn't subject to any real ATC issues, there was so little happening at Esbjerg they could guarantee super efficient turnrounds and it tapped a market for Danes who wanted to see the bright lights - faster to London than driving or taking the train to Copenhagen. . And it kept a 737 airborne and earning instead of waiting for the 17:00 rush hour somewhere else

[SWBKCB]

Originally Posted by Boebus_1

It would appear that BOH cargo routes have picked up slightly.

9x weekly to Chengdu, 2x weekly to Billund & now what appears to be at least weekly to JFK.

Sadly the CAA have not released cargo figures for BOH.

Now in the November stats - a respectable 2,000 tonnes. About the same as Luton and Belfast, more than EDI and BHX

[Ascupart]

Originally Posted by Boebus_1

It would appear that BOH cargo routes have picked up slightly.

9x weekly to Chengdu, 2x weekly to Billund & now what appears to be at least weekly to JFK.

Sadly the CAA have not released cargo figures for BOH.

Living in Southampton I often see the cargo airbuses flying low as they approach Bournemouth.
During the pandemic they were flying in PPE, but I'm curious what is the cargo that's so urgent it has to be brought by air from China?
Also, is there any freight going out to China from Bournemouth or are the aircraft empty on the way out?

[Flitefone]

E-Commerce

The airport’s website provides all the details.

https://cargofirst.co.uk/news/2023/1...emouth-airport


https://cargofirst.co.uk/news/2023/1...uk-route-trial

Maersk are have continued their service beyond end 2023. There have been 2 rotations from China this week, plus European Cargo at 6/week, thats about 2000 tonnes/month - not bad for the post Christmas low season for air cargo

FF.

[Wycombe]

Are these European A346's operating as belly-freight only flights, or is (small, light) freight that can be loaded manually through the pax cabin doors being carried upstairs aswell?

If so that must be a somewhat time-consuming and labour-intensive operation!?

[Markushillman]

Originally Posted by Wycombe

Are these European A346's operating as belly-freight only flights, or is (small, light) freight that can be loaded manually through the pax cabin doors being carried upstairs aswell?

If so that must be a somewhat time-consuming and labour-intensive operation!?

Great question as the A346 doesnt appear to have the usual big side loading cargo door. Doesnt seem the greatest aircraft for cargo operations

[SWBKCB]

Originally Posted by Markushillman

Great question as the A346 doesnt appear to have the usual big side loading cargo door. Doesnt seem the greatest aircraft for cargo operations

Until you look at the going rate for one...

And, no - there's no main deck cargo door.

[Markushillman]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

Until you look at the going rate for one...

And, no - there's no main deck cargo door.

I notice after a quick google that a company called USC is planning a conversion for the aircraft so it does have a full main deck door.

[Flitefone]

European Cargo Freighters

These are certified for main deck cargo since late 2022, using existing main deck doors.

https://www.euroav.com/news/european...40-600-class-f

The conversion including the main deck cargo door and strengthening to cabin floor is a different mod, ordered by USC airlines of Germany, but not flying yet.

[dixi188]

I don't know the cost of putting in a Main Deck Cargo Door today, but back in the late '90s the going rate for an A300 (same fulelage), was around $6 million so I would think around double that today.
I wonder how the sums add up given that the A340 only carries around 3/4 the payload of a B777 freighter and burns more fuel.

[annakm]

Rumour has it RYR are moving more crew to BOH, although that might be in anticipation of the usual seasonal summer route increase.

[MARKEYD]

Ryanair have brought forward the Zadar flights to start in May now instead of the usual short season
Lanzarote sees another extra flight from August taking it to 2 x week

Transun have added an extra flight to Enontekio in Dec taking the Lapland experience to 5 flights with various tour operators

EasyJet are operating 2 flights this lunchtime to Geneva which covers the busy ski season for the next 4 weeks along with 2 x Saturday and Sunday

Busy morning with 2 European A340 arriving and a TUI 789 arriving for maintenance

[SWBKCB]

Who will be doing maintenance on the TUI 789?

[rog747]

Originally Posted by annakm

Rumour has it RYR are moving more crew to BOH, although that might be in anticipation of the usual seasonal summer route increase.

Yes, but there are no current Ryanair cabin crew recruitment on offer at Bournemouth. Perhaps they have sorted their 2024 needs by, as you say, moving crews around?
There still is openings for TUI at BOH for Cabin Crew summer 2024.
My pal just applied and got in with TUI, and his Course is soon.

[rog747]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

Who will be doing maintenance on the TUI 789?

Gama Aviation Engineering Limited have been currently attending to TUI 787's at BOH.

[southamptonavgeek]

Originally Posted by rog747

Gama Aviation Engineering Limited have been currently attending to TUI 787's at BOH.

TUI engineers using Gama facilities, I'm led to believe