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Old 26th Jun 2021, 19:56
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My understanding is that the manufacturer's requirements for the airworthy preservation of non-flying aircraft is quite different Airbus v Boeing. Perhaps this is a more logical explanation of what's happening than any wild claims of embarrassing the Government.
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Old 26th Jun 2021, 20:33
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Correct Airbus v Boeing but see Post #93 where the launch of the new EZY domestics though was stated as "supporting the crew training plan".

For fear of repeat RYR were flying "preservation circuits" coupled with base training at STN for many months on a continuous basis as were & still are EXS to a smaller extent.

This appears to have aided RYR with their very different full throttle latter day approach to the crisis.

EZY are a very careful conservative airline whereas the RYR philosophy at the highest level is...never let a good crisis go to waste.

Outcome?...time will tell...time will tell.

Hopefully everyone is a winner.
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Old 26th Jun 2021, 20:57
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I had assumed that FR were flying to Amber countries to avoid refunding fares.
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Old 27th Jun 2021, 06:57
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easyJet were also flying plenty of 'circuits' before they resumed passenger flights, in order to keep aircraft and crews active. There were also regular flights between bases for maintenance purposes. So no different to what Ryanair were doing.
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Old 27th Jun 2021, 08:06
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The easyJet circuits were solely for aircraft maintenance reasons. Only 1 per aircraft every 30 days. So only keeping a handful of crews current.
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Old 27th Jun 2021, 08:29
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Been plenty of circuit bashing at MME in recent weeks - not purely maintenance.
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Old 27th Jun 2021, 08:36
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Yep, quite a few base training days have been carried out for new cadet pilots who were in the easyJet MPL scheme and needed the base training to finish the course.

No circuit training for current ezy pilots other than for maintenance reasons.
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Old 27th Jun 2021, 10:43
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Ryanair are just dumping cheap seats onto the market, knowing they aren't going to make any money, but they'll prevent other companies making any money too. They're also often the only airline serving a destination, thanks to EZY and BA's far more conservative approach. The OH flew to Poland a couple of weeks ago with Ryanair, £5 there and £8 back, but with around 110-120 passengers. Clearly that's not making any money, but if it captures enough of the slimmed down market to prevent competitors even operating there, then it's somewhat achieving it's aim.

EZY ran an inflated schedule for far too long last Summer (LGW-PMI was still up to 4x daily over six weeks after having its "travel corridor" removed) and was flying empty aircraft all over Europe. The same Wizzair. Routes like Liverpool to Bournemouth and Inverness to Newquay aren't going to make any money, but they're low risk routes that aren't subject to a Grant Shapps tweet, using little more fuel than a maintenance flight, and keep pilots out of simulators which are going to be in short supply should there be a sudden restart - because as we know with this government, airlines aren't going to get a great deal of notice for it.
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Old 27th Jun 2021, 11:11
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The OH flew to Poland a couple of weeks ago with Ryanair, £5 there and £8 back, but with around 110-120 passengers. Clearly that's not making any money, but if it captures enough of the slimmed down market to prevent competitors even operating there, then it's somewhat achieving it's aim.

It's not making money if everyone is paying these prices but every passenger is probably paying a different price, some with bags, flexi tickets etc. The whole low-cost model is based on flying one standard aeroplane type. Price tickets low initially and high as the departure date approaches for those that can't/won't plan ahead of those who need business style flexible ticketing. If you can't make money, drop the route and fly somewhere else.
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Old 27th Jun 2021, 15:16
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Generally the algorithms devised over decades within the RYR booking system cannot be bettered within the travel business...But this is the EZY thread.
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Old 27th Jun 2021, 15:40
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Well she booked it 9 hours before departure, so I’m not sure many were paying more for their ticket. Your point stands during normal times, but right now Ryanair are just dumping capacity into a depressed market.
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Old 27th Jun 2021, 17:57
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Yes, would look like the algorithm has been dumped currently, it's all about flooding to market for the long game, the weak will perish.
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Old 27th Jun 2021, 18:08
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£5 there and £8 back? To Poland?
Assuming no taxes, charges or APD?
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Old 27th Jun 2021, 18:17
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You must mean basic fare ...without the add-ons
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Old 27th Jun 2021, 19:10
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Iím not sure whatís so unbelievable. A quick search shows £15 return (yes, including taxes, charges, APD) from STN-WMI for most of July. 5-8 July is an example. Or £13 return to Krakow on the same dates. The Polish and Eastern Europeans are happy with a middle seat, a tiny bag crammed under their seat and eating their own home made sandwiches, Ryanair arenít making any money on auxiliaries on these flights either.

£13 is APD. Hence itís dumping capacity to prevent competitors from operating. Ryanair have the financial might and cheaper cost base to do this, easyJet and others donít. Which is why EZY are being much more conservative than Ryanair.
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Old 27th Jun 2021, 19:20
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That's the rub, MOL certainly knows how to turn a crisis into success and he will be banking on several of his competitors going to the wall, paying his workforce bellow the 2019 market value will help, coupled with their ruthlessness when it comes to negotiating with airports and suppliers, I would not bank on them losing out.

Having said all that, I don't blame Easy doing some domestic routes, it keeps the aircraft flying and some crews current, so if and when things open up, they can respond.
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Old 27th Jun 2021, 19:21
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Out of curiosity which operators are being precluded operating over STN-WMI or STN-Krakow or even over London generally?
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Old 27th Jun 2021, 19:58
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I wish you’d learn to string a sentence together in English, it would make it far easier to reply to you.

I’m assuming you’re asking which operators aren’t operating these routes as a result? In which case, easy aren’t operating LGW-KRK, BA weren’t operating LHR-WAW until yesterday and BA aren’t operating LHR-KRK.

Wizzair was (is?) less than daily on LTN-WAW in early June (3-4 daily pre pandemic), although Wizzair are capacity dumpers themselves, a little more conservative after being stung by doing the same last year in a market that never opened up.
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Old 27th Jun 2021, 20:47
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Ryanair often used to do a cheap fare with all taxes included, I flew to Oslo for £1! Assume this is the same ploy.
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Old 30th Jun 2021, 12:22
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