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Old 23rd Apr 2023, 16:26
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Loads more holding traffic over the ‘premier’ north east airport due no ATC…is this acceptable?

Send them to Teesside…no issues there!
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Old 23rd Apr 2023, 16:29
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Is that because there are more flights in the hold than scheduled into MME today?

Due to staff sickness - seems somebody else is feeling a bit green as well!
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Old 23rd Apr 2023, 16:36
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Short of parking at Teesside.
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Old 23rd Apr 2023, 17:27
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Is that because of parting out aircraft..and maintenance?
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Old 23rd Apr 2023, 17:43
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Is that because there are more flights in the hold than scheduled into MME today?

Due to staff sickness - seems somebody else is feeling a bit green as well!
Probably went to the football earlier and still partying!
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Old 23rd Apr 2023, 19:52
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Seriously though..an airport with potential 5 million passengers…having to hold aircraft to land ..because of lack of ATS staff? Am I missing something here?

Great planning guys!
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Old 23rd Apr 2023, 20:10
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As I mentioned earlier, staff sickness.

Doesn't seem to be putting airlines off - TUI the latest to announce additional flights and an extra based a/c for next summer.
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Old 23rd Apr 2023, 23:56
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Teesside / Tyneside banter aside, it is pretty poor.
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Old 24th Apr 2023, 07:39
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There must surely be 'stand-by' ATS staff available when situations like this occur.
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Old 24th Apr 2023, 10:08
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Clearly not
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Old 24th Apr 2023, 13:07
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Originally Posted by highwideandugly
Seriously though..an airport with potential 5 million passengers…having to hold aircraft to land ..because of lack of ATS staff? Am I missing something here?

Great planning guys!
I know one of the ATS has short notice leave as of today. His wife is have their first child today. All airports have lack of ATS like all the airlines that have a shortage of pilots, cabin crew and engineers. You are missing a lot.
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Old 24th Apr 2023, 13:09
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Say if you were to employ a trained ATCO from DSA, for example, how long would it take before they could work at NCL. Obviously they would need to learn the different routings and so forth etc etc. A few months, or more? Up to a year potentially?
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Old 24th Apr 2023, 13:10
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Clearly not
Because it takes eons to train up replacement staff in ATC, more than Pilots. ATC is like LAEs. Not made overnight. Like pilots and LAEs, small pool of staff and wage offers are taking people away from smaller airports.
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 19:51
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Are there any airport infrastructure plans?

Me thinks mainly apron space and southside hangar development..like Teesside?

A runway extension would be nice, as per many previous master plans..but unlikely?
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 20:09
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No - apron space demand not yet back to the previous peak, no space southside for any 'industrial' development. Can't see a business case for a runway extension.
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 21:02
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They might need more apron space with two more based aircraft next year TUI/Jet 2 and we don't know the Ryanair plans for S24.
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 23:23
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Originally Posted by highwideandugly
Are there any airport infrastructure plans?

Me thinks mainly apron space and southside hangar development..like Teesside?

A runway extension would be nice, as per many previous master plans..but unlikely?
You have never been airside bar as a passenger have you?
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Old 29th Apr 2023, 07:41
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Airside Bar

Originally Posted by Diff Tail Shim
You have never been airside bar as a passenger have you?
Is that a good or bad experience?
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Old 29th Apr 2023, 07:44
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Originally Posted by highwideandugly
Is that a good or bad experience?
Free bucket and spade with every pint.
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Old 30th Apr 2023, 05:32
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I'm looking at flights for mid-August and the normal KLM 9.30am hop to AMS says, "Operated by German Airways".
Never seen that before. Anyone know anything about them?
Even a codeshare would normally say KLM.
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