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Exactly. At the moment we have money grabbing councils with no accountability and privateers pick pocketing passengers and destroying any aspect of a quality airport experience.
People will not pay for a quality airport experience in the current market. That's why easyJet and Ryanair bled growth to LPL for years and only came to MAN when a deal was offered. Making that deal meant making up the gap in income from elsewhere which is why paid for trolleys and paid
for drop off came about. It's all about unbundling every cost possible. All of which means the overall experience is often rubbish.
for drop off came about. It's all about unbundling every cost possible. All of which means the overall experience is often rubbish.
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https://www.airportwatch.org.uk/2022/02/mag-warns-the-10-councils-that-own-it-that-they-may-not-get-any-dividends-till-2027/
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During Covid the councils actually put in best part of £400m from taxpayers to keep the airport viable, it's one of the reasons i bang on ad nauseum about pure freight traffic.
Manchester is an intrinsic part of the Norths supply chain.
Whilst shifting everything to EMA might be beneficial to MAGs accounts it is detrimental to importers and exporters up here , many of whom are those same taxpayers.
The monies given to MAG last year may be a relatively small amount given the handsome dividends that the councils have enjoyed over many years but they are still significant. I would not be surprised to see them exit now the good times are over.
We should be cognisant of the green lobby and the shift from what was once the pride of Manchester to what is now something of a mill stone, financially and politically.
I would not be suprised to see the councils divest themslves if they can find a suitable buyer.
Manchester is an intrinsic part of the Norths supply chain.
Whilst shifting everything to EMA might be beneficial to MAGs accounts it is detrimental to importers and exporters up here , many of whom are those same taxpayers.
The monies given to MAG last year may be a relatively small amount given the handsome dividends that the councils have enjoyed over many years but they are still significant. I would not be surprised to see them exit now the good times are over.
We should be cognisant of the green lobby and the shift from what was once the pride of Manchester to what is now something of a mill stone, financially and politically.
I would not be suprised to see the councils divest themslves if they can find a suitable buyer.
Whilst shifting everything to EMA might be beneficial to MAGs accounts it is detrimental to importers and exporters up here , many of whom are those same taxpayers.
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As it was mentioned here that FR could base more aircraft this summer, are there any news 2 weeks before summer timetable?
If so I would have expected an announcement by FR mentioning more based aircraft, more jobs, millions of investment etc.
If so I would have expected an announcement by FR mentioning more based aircraft, more jobs, millions of investment etc.
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Yes they usually do promote more based aircraft and jobs etc and there’s been nothing! Strange really
Looking through the schedules for the 28th of March (first Monday of summer schedule), Ryanair appear to have 13 first wave departures, and a total of 58 flights that day. Obviously this will may increase as we move further into the summer season.
For comparison easyJet have 18 first wave departures and 50 flights in total.
For comparison easyJet have 18 first wave departures and 50 flights in total.
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February Pax
STN – 1,150,746 down 39% on Feb 2019
MAN – 1,135,317 down 37% on Feb 2019
EMA – 110,435 down 49% on Feb 2019
Rolling 12m
STN – 8,813,319 up 126% on 12m ago
MAN – 7,772,748 up 111% on 12m ago
EMA – 992,848 UP 91% ON 12M AGO
February Freight
EMA – 35,285 up 4% on Feb 2021
STN – 18,128 down 12% on Feb 2021
MAN – 4,964 up 19% on Feb 2021
STN – 1,150,746 down 39% on Feb 2019
MAN – 1,135,317 down 37% on Feb 2019
EMA – 110,435 down 49% on Feb 2019
Rolling 12m
STN – 8,813,319 up 126% on 12m ago
MAN – 7,772,748 up 111% on 12m ago
EMA – 992,848 UP 91% ON 12M AGO
February Freight
EMA – 35,285 up 4% on Feb 2021
STN – 18,128 down 12% on Feb 2021
MAN – 4,964 up 19% on Feb 2021
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And what dividends would that be?
https://www.airportwatch.org.uk/2022/02/mag-warns-the-10-councils-that-own-it-that-they-may-not-get-any-dividends-till-2027/
https://www.airportwatch.org.uk/2022/02/mag-warns-the-10-councils-that-own-it-that-they-may-not-get-any-dividends-till-2027/
Some bed time reading for the councillors
https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/www.manchesterairport.co.uk
https://uk.indeed.com/cmp/Manchester-Airports-Group/reviews
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Indeed, when you run a business as i do you quickly become aware that customers want their goods ASAP.
We import much of our "stuff" via airfrieght, the current methodology seems to add days to the process.
1st delay is initial shipment to an airport 200 miles away, as it normally arrives into STN , it now sits there awaiting consolidation with a daily overnight truck to the shed at Manchester. Problem here is the limited trucking frequency as sometimes we have to wait for a suitable slot due demand. Sometimes the goods will go to Heathrow which is actually quicker as there are a multitude of overnight shuttle lorries.
(i do wonder what % of Manchester freight is trucked and skews the figures, are the flown freight figures purely down to a point to point Manchester arrival or do they actually include a significant percentage from EMA or Southern airports passing through the sheds at Manchester ?).
I digress.
1, 2 maybe even 3 days later, our cargo starts moving again, but ironically to as i say its to one of the warehouses adjacent to Manchester Airport where we once used the runway and cargo facilities for the betterment of the wider economy.
Our customers goods now arrive at Manchester airport where they are consildated once again onto a consignment which comes to Amazon at Queensferry.
This part of the story is sensational as the tracking app suggest goods are in the van and out for delivery within 2 hours of arrival.
Hope that is clear for you.
We import much of our "stuff" via airfrieght, the current methodology seems to add days to the process.
1st delay is initial shipment to an airport 200 miles away, as it normally arrives into STN , it now sits there awaiting consolidation with a daily overnight truck to the shed at Manchester. Problem here is the limited trucking frequency as sometimes we have to wait for a suitable slot due demand. Sometimes the goods will go to Heathrow which is actually quicker as there are a multitude of overnight shuttle lorries.
(i do wonder what % of Manchester freight is trucked and skews the figures, are the flown freight figures purely down to a point to point Manchester arrival or do they actually include a significant percentage from EMA or Southern airports passing through the sheds at Manchester ?).
I digress.
1, 2 maybe even 3 days later, our cargo starts moving again, but ironically to as i say its to one of the warehouses adjacent to Manchester Airport where we once used the runway and cargo facilities for the betterment of the wider economy.
Our customers goods now arrive at Manchester airport where they are consildated once again onto a consignment which comes to Amazon at Queensferry.
This part of the story is sensational as the tracking app suggest goods are in the van and out for delivery within 2 hours of arrival.
Hope that is clear for you.
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Indeed, when you run a business as i do you quickly become aware that customers want their goods ASAP.
We import much of our "stuff" via airfrieght, the current methodology seems to add days to the process.
1st delay is initial shipment to an airport 200 miles away, as it normally arrives into STN , it now sits there awaiting consolidation with a daily overnight truck to the shed at Manchester. Problem here is the limited trucking frequency as sometimes we have to wait for a suitable slot due demand. Sometimes the goods will go to Heathrow which is actually quicker as there are a multitude of overnight shuttle lorries.
(i do wonder what % of Manchester freight is trucked and skews the figures, are the flown freight figures purely down to a point to point Manchester arrival or do they actually include a significant percentage from EMA or Southern airports passing through the sheds at Manchester ?).
I digress.
1, 2 maybe even 3 days later, our cargo starts moving again, but ironically to as i say its to one of the warehouses adjacent to Manchester Airport where we once used the runway and cargo facilities for the betterment of the wider economy.
Our customers goods now arrive at Manchester airport where they are consildated once again onto a consignment which comes to Amazon at Queensferry.
This part of the story is sensational as the tracking app suggest goods are in the van and out for delivery within 2 hours of arrival.
Hope that is clear for you.
We import much of our "stuff" via airfrieght, the current methodology seems to add days to the process.
1st delay is initial shipment to an airport 200 miles away, as it normally arrives into STN , it now sits there awaiting consolidation with a daily overnight truck to the shed at Manchester. Problem here is the limited trucking frequency as sometimes we have to wait for a suitable slot due demand. Sometimes the goods will go to Heathrow which is actually quicker as there are a multitude of overnight shuttle lorries.
(i do wonder what % of Manchester freight is trucked and skews the figures, are the flown freight figures purely down to a point to point Manchester arrival or do they actually include a significant percentage from EMA or Southern airports passing through the sheds at Manchester ?).
I digress.
1, 2 maybe even 3 days later, our cargo starts moving again, but ironically to as i say its to one of the warehouses adjacent to Manchester Airport where we once used the runway and cargo facilities for the betterment of the wider economy.
Our customers goods now arrive at Manchester airport where they are consildated once again onto a consignment which comes to Amazon at Queensferry.
This part of the story is sensational as the tracking app suggest goods are in the van and out for delivery within 2 hours of arrival.
Hope that is clear for you.
perhaps you need to review your carrier
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Skipness One Foxtrot has summed up the issue very neatly above - airlines have cut airport operating margins to the bone, and therefore airport operators have to generate revenue through other avenues. As long as passengers expect cheap flights, this is the world we live in now.
Something obviously needs to be done to tackle the staffing issue, but I don't see how the options you propose would do anything to resolve that.
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According to MAG their "ownership structure is unique and comprises an effective blend of public and private shareholders". It is unique alright. The managers have turned a once proud public utility into a place that employees and passengers alike would prefer to avoid. It is not an effective blend at all.
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Travelling through T1 today for the first time in about 3 years it’s clear that
- underinvestment in the fabric of T1 (understandable in a world where TP was going to replace the majority of T1)
- staffing
- revenue loss from the pandemic itself and the number of empty and closed retail units have really effected the airport.
But much of the security nightmare has been drawn on by MAN itself. In T1 today almost every bag was sent for secondary screening. Such was the extent that the bag runoff was full, so the conveyor was paralysed. To solve this unique problem the bags for secondary were being taken off the end and put on the dollies to join another line of bags alongside the runoff. There was just one screener for everyone’s bags. Maybe MAN has identified a particular risk, but this level of secondary screening suggests an issue with training. A floor walker said “no one wants an incident on their watch”. Compare this to AMS, LIN or LHR where nothing has to come out of bags anymore. I decided discretion was probably wise and didn’t point out that planes aren’t exactly being hijacked on daily basis or that MANs attempts are no more effective than any other airport….
One thing for sure. I will never go hand luggage only from MAN while this madness persists. 10 minutes of security queue was pretty good, but I waited another 40 for my bag. I’d have saved time by checking it in.
- underinvestment in the fabric of T1 (understandable in a world where TP was going to replace the majority of T1)
- staffing
- revenue loss from the pandemic itself and the number of empty and closed retail units have really effected the airport.
But much of the security nightmare has been drawn on by MAN itself. In T1 today almost every bag was sent for secondary screening. Such was the extent that the bag runoff was full, so the conveyor was paralysed. To solve this unique problem the bags for secondary were being taken off the end and put on the dollies to join another line of bags alongside the runoff. There was just one screener for everyone’s bags. Maybe MAN has identified a particular risk, but this level of secondary screening suggests an issue with training. A floor walker said “no one wants an incident on their watch”. Compare this to AMS, LIN or LHR where nothing has to come out of bags anymore. I decided discretion was probably wise and didn’t point out that planes aren’t exactly being hijacked on daily basis or that MANs attempts are no more effective than any other airport….
One thing for sure. I will never go hand luggage only from MAN while this madness persists. 10 minutes of security queue was pretty good, but I waited another 40 for my bag. I’d have saved time by checking it in.
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Travelling through T1 today for the first time in about 3 years it’s clear that
- underinvestment in the fabric of T1 (understandable in a world where TP was going to replace the majority of T1)
- staffing
- revenue loss from the pandemic itself and the number of empty and closed retail units have really effected the airport.
But much of the security nightmare has been drawn on by MAN itself. In T1 today almost every bag was sent for secondary screening. Such was the extent that the bag runoff was full, so the conveyor was paralysed. To solve this unique problem the bags for secondary were being taken off the end and put on the dollies to join another line of bags alongside the runoff. There was just one screener for everyone’s bags. Maybe MAN has identified a particular risk, but this level of secondary screening suggests an issue with training. A floor walker said “no one wants an incident on their watch”. Compare this to AMS, LIN or LHR where nothing has to come out of bags anymore. I decided discretion was probably wise and didn’t point out that planes aren’t exactly being hijacked on daily basis or that MANs attempts are no more effective than any other airport….
One thing for sure. I will never go hand luggage only from MAN while this madness persists. 10 minutes of security queue was pretty good, but I waited another 40 for my bag. I’d have saved time by checking it in.
- underinvestment in the fabric of T1 (understandable in a world where TP was going to replace the majority of T1)
- staffing
- revenue loss from the pandemic itself and the number of empty and closed retail units have really effected the airport.
But much of the security nightmare has been drawn on by MAN itself. In T1 today almost every bag was sent for secondary screening. Such was the extent that the bag runoff was full, so the conveyor was paralysed. To solve this unique problem the bags for secondary were being taken off the end and put on the dollies to join another line of bags alongside the runoff. There was just one screener for everyone’s bags. Maybe MAN has identified a particular risk, but this level of secondary screening suggests an issue with training. A floor walker said “no one wants an incident on their watch”. Compare this to AMS, LIN or LHR where nothing has to come out of bags anymore. I decided discretion was probably wise and didn’t point out that planes aren’t exactly being hijacked on daily basis or that MANs attempts are no more effective than any other airport….
One thing for sure. I will never go hand luggage only from MAN while this madness persists. 10 minutes of security queue was pretty good, but I waited another 40 for my bag. I’d have saved time by checking it in.
Securtity staff are scared to death of losing their job by missing something. There used to be a 3 strikes and you are out rule, I was told that it was now 1 and off you go. Could be just a rumour but it would explain the ridiculous bag checks.
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(i do wonder what % of Manchester freight is trucked and skews the figures, are the flown freight figures purely down to a point to point Manchester arrival or do they actually include a significant percentage from EMA or Southern airports passing through the sheds at Manchester ?).
(i do wonder what % of Manchester freight is trucked and skews the figures, are the flown freight figures purely down to a point to point Manchester arrival or do they actually include a significant percentage from EMA or Southern airports passing through the sheds at Manchester ?).
20 years ago a survey carried out for the airport concluded that the flown freight figure could be increased by around 50% to get the total tonnage passing through the forwarders transit sheds on airport in the World Freight Centre. However, it was impossible to work out how much air freight was being carried to/from the region which was by-passing facilities at the airport and being taken to off-airport transit sheds or direct from the factory to other airports.
I am not aware if any further work has been done on this and many things have changed - such as the loss of most all-freight flights and the growth of Fed Ex, UPS, DHL etc.
Ironically, the early hours sees the introduction of Lufthansa's new twice weekly A321F service. Meanwhile Fedex are scrapping their B757F service to CDG via BHX at the end of the month as they are now building up a hub at EMA.