Flybe - New Name And New Aircraft
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Flybe - New Name And New Aircraft
FLYBE is to evaluate the CRJ900 as a possible replacement to their aging fleet of BAe146. The order could total 30 aircraft to increase frequencies on domestic and international services. The aircraft has a dedicated business section fitting into FLYBE's business review. Bombardier will be visiting FLYBE's head office on Thursday to demonstrate the aircraft. There has only been 30 orders for this stretched version and it is hoped that a good offer will be put forward.
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Never get a crj900 into LCY in a million years. There's a version of the emb170 that can do it though..apparently!
I would of thought that if they were serious about 'low cost' then a bunch of second hand 737's would suffice.
I would of thought that if they were serious about 'low cost' then a bunch of second hand 737's would suffice.
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Thats right, BE so annoyed with the CRJ that they have tried for the last ten months to return the CRJ-200 that they are planning to buy the CRJ-900.
But then, with BE the low cost airline with costs 3.5 times that of GO and EasyJet... nothing would be beyond them at this stage!
But then, with BE the low cost airline with costs 3.5 times that of GO and EasyJet... nothing would be beyond them at this stage!
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Couple of factoids here gang. ref the EMB170 and LCY its part of the Swiss launch deal that the type has to be LCY capable no LCY no deal For those that don't need the steep app short field there's the 175 which has the same capacity as the CRJ900.
Ref BEs CRJ200s they got em for AF additional routes didn't get the routes so wanted to bin em then Gill went tits up so they had the routes and thus kept em. Ref the CRJ900 (come to that 200 and 700) you'd definately be in arrestor hook break chute territory but even then you'd have probs with the engine- out climb profile. They could be for the Brum hub though seems to be where BE is concentrating its efforts just now
Ref BEs CRJ200s they got em for AF additional routes didn't get the routes so wanted to bin em then Gill went tits up so they had the routes and thus kept em. Ref the CRJ900 (come to that 200 and 700) you'd definately be in arrestor hook break chute territory but even then you'd have probs with the engine- out climb profile. They could be for the Brum hub though seems to be where BE is concentrating its efforts just now
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If one might interject a note on a suitable aircraft for FlyBE to use on ops in/out of LCY
- which carries in excess of 70 PAX
- has operating economies FAR better than 146/CRJ/ERJ
- is quieter in the cabin than most of them
- is available at very short lead time
- is already in their fleet
Enter stage right the DASH8 Q400!!!!
- which carries in excess of 70 PAX
- has operating economies FAR better than 146/CRJ/ERJ
- is quieter in the cabin than most of them
- is available at very short lead time
- is already in their fleet
Enter stage right the DASH8 Q400!!!!
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EX FTE
Yeah, getting towed on and off of stand every time will be really
good for those "Low cost" type turnarounds won't they ?
DEFINATELY NOT THE WAY FORWARD !
Neither are CRJ900s or anything similar.
If they are really serious about "Low cost " then 737s or more 146s would be the way to go, there are plenty available and at a more reasonable price. The CRJ200 has cost the company a small fortune and still is .
OH ! I nearly forgot, we could use the CRJ 900 on the BHD-LBA-BHD or the BHD-IOM-BHD routes.................................WISE UP !
Yeah, getting towed on and off of stand every time will be really
good for those "Low cost" type turnarounds won't they ?
DEFINATELY NOT THE WAY FORWARD !
Neither are CRJ900s or anything similar.
If they are really serious about "Low cost " then 737s or more 146s would be the way to go, there are plenty available and at a more reasonable price. The CRJ200 has cost the company a small fortune and still is .
OH ! I nearly forgot, we could use the CRJ 900 on the BHD-LBA-BHD or the BHD-IOM-BHD routes.................................WISE UP !
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SMOKIE -
Interesting comments about needing to get towed on and off the stand every time on a Q400. And how is that different from any other aircraft?
Oh the others can use 'power back' you say?
Well Q400s can do just the same thing! Stick those Dowty props into reverse pitch and you will move back quite nicely!
As for quick turnrounds, it is no slower than any other aircraft.
And as for the cheaper options of 146s & 737s - get real!!
146 support is going to get more expensive since they have stopped building them and hence the spares pool will slowly dimish.
And if Mr Ryanair and Easyjet are going to pay their 737 crews £50K a year then FlyBE would have to match if they want to keep their crews.
Interesting comments about needing to get towed on and off the stand every time on a Q400. And how is that different from any other aircraft?
Oh the others can use 'power back' you say?
Well Q400s can do just the same thing! Stick those Dowty props into reverse pitch and you will move back quite nicely!
As for quick turnrounds, it is no slower than any other aircraft.
And as for the cheaper options of 146s & 737s - get real!!
146 support is going to get more expensive since they have stopped building them and hence the spares pool will slowly dimish.
And if Mr Ryanair and Easyjet are going to pay their 737 crews £50K a year then FlyBE would have to match if they want to keep their crews.
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EX FTE, from your comments it's clear you do not understand operations at London City Airport. The Dash 8-400 is the only type at the airport which requires a tug to park it on stand. The reason for this is it's size does not fit in with the requirement to taxi towards the terminal and execute a tight right turn to park facing North(ish). It is a bit of a guddle to get it parked, so quick turnaround times are just not achievable.
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Meeb,
Thanks, I rest my case.
Dudley,
In relation to the CRJ200s that are being operated by Flybe, then the 146s are cheaper to operate once the leasing arrangement has been taken into consideration. Also the ones actually owned by the company do make a profit.
EX FTE,
Unfortunately "low cost" in Flybe's dictionary has a different definition to the one in Easyjets and Ryanairs.
The pilots and cabin crews can't actually do any more, they are working max out.
Flybe is very top heavy with management , EJs and RAs are not.
Even though the majority of the flights are full they are not getting the returns financially.
I don't think that charging the pax or the crews for teas, coffees, soft drinks etc is going to make a blind bit of difference.
If they are serious about "low cost" then a serious shake up down at fantasy island is in order, including a look into 737 type operations and probably binning LCY if they go all 737.
Also the salary question will have to undoubtably addressed:-
Easy , GO, F/O £40K Capt £70k.
Ryanair is similar or better.
Flybe, F/O £28K Capt £46k
Thanks, I rest my case.
Dudley,
In relation to the CRJ200s that are being operated by Flybe, then the 146s are cheaper to operate once the leasing arrangement has been taken into consideration. Also the ones actually owned by the company do make a profit.
EX FTE,
Unfortunately "low cost" in Flybe's dictionary has a different definition to the one in Easyjets and Ryanairs.
The pilots and cabin crews can't actually do any more, they are working max out.
Flybe is very top heavy with management , EJs and RAs are not.
Even though the majority of the flights are full they are not getting the returns financially.
I don't think that charging the pax or the crews for teas, coffees, soft drinks etc is going to make a blind bit of difference.
If they are serious about "low cost" then a serious shake up down at fantasy island is in order, including a look into 737 type operations and probably binning LCY if they go all 737.
Also the salary question will have to undoubtably addressed:-
Easy , GO, F/O £40K Capt £70k.
Ryanair is similar or better.
Flybe, F/O £28K Capt £46k
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Flybe and Lcy?
I know this is a rumour website so here goes. Any thruth in the rumour that JY sorry BE... Sorry again Flybe are about to pack up at LCY sometime this year?!!!!!!??? O know they have dropped all routes byt BHD JER and IOM... Oh and what has happended to the proposed route to GCI???
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Cant really comment on the LCY situation , but as far as BHD goes I would imagine that once bmi baby starts operations from BFS serious restructure in respect of routes/fares may have to take place.
I think "Low Cost" refers to the flybe wages bill.
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GVJFK You could not be further from the truth. London City remains a big part of FLYBE. plans and a replacement fleet does not necessary mean that it must be capable of City operations. The company is satisfied that the Dash fleet is more than capable of continuing the domestic routes at fares that pax want. The main focus on fleet development is the companys international routes in conjunction with its growing charter operations.
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As I have said before the Industry says of this lot
flybe = FLY BEFORE EXTINTION
If you have ever seen the huts at Easyland then if you think that is bad just go to EXE.... What a mess!!!!!!
flybe = FLY BEFORE EXTINTION
If you have ever seen the huts at Easyland then if you think that is bad just go to EXE.... What a mess!!!!!!