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Old 10th Jul 2020, 18:22
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I know this is a rumour network and the clue is in the name. But I really do wish people here would consider those whose livelihoods and jobs depend on this sort of thing would not post unfounded rubbish which simply isnít true by way of starting a new rumour.
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Old 10th Jul 2020, 18:36
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Originally Posted by Saabdriver1 View Post
I know this is a rumour network and the clue is in the name. But I really do wish people here would consider those whose livelihoods and jobs depend on this sort of thing would not post unfounded rubbish which simply isnít true by way of starting a new rumour.
Tell yourself what you want, it is true.
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 09:58
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Its cancelled
Do you agree 1st August then and double daily from 21st August?
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 10:08
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It was mentioned earlier on IOM or BACF thread that a large corporate user,a game company,w finding, support or commitment. I believe this led to BACF withdrawl


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BA are speaking to alternative operators for the route and ideally looking for it to originate in London rather than the IOM from what I'm aware.
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 10:11
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Originally Posted by pabely View Post
Do you agree 1st August then and double daily from 21st August?
I was referring to the flight on the 21st July.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 06:15
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The demand for the Aurigny GCI-IOM flights has been high, so much so that the Embraer 195 has replaced the ATR on many flights & on at least one day there will be two flights.
Good news for all involved.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 07:26
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IOM-GCI

It does beg the question what do donkeys and crabs have in common? Or are they just stuck between a Rock and a hard place ?

Good call to whoever thought of that air bridge 👍
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 09:13
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I think there's a market for easyjet to operate direct flights to Spain in normal times.

If an airbirdge could be agreed to somewhere warmer than Guernsey it would do really well (probably not likely to happen in the current circumstances)
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 10:39
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Isn't that what Freedom travel used to offer with BACF metal? BACF were happy to offer equipment at weekends when they were quiet, I doubt EZY would be forthcoming, it just is not their business model.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 20:50
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Originally Posted by pabely View Post
Isn't that what Freedom travel used to offer with BACF metal? BACF were happy to offer equipment at weekends when they were quiet, I doubt EZY would be forthcoming, it just is not their business model.
The stuff with BACF was package hols and although Freedim Travl were willing to sell flight only I was quoted 700 return per adult and it wasn't advertised as such
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 11:04
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Originally Posted by JSCL View Post
BA are speaking to alternative operators for the route and ideally looking for it to originate in London rather than the IOM from what I'm aware.
In my opinion this is an extremely important service to the island and even a twice a day service originating from London City would be ok as long as it made for a sensible return day visit , for example leaving the island around 8am and returning around 7pm. Many years ago Jersey European used to operate a service from London City which flew into Ronaldsway and then went on to Belfast City I wonder why this could not be reconsidered? It would serve two purposes in that it would provide a link into central London and also offer islanders a regular service to Belfast City which was lost when Citywing went into administration. If the turnaround time was kept to a minimum and BACF operated it on an Embraer Jet ( I think they have announced flying into Belfast City from London City) I suspect it could work.
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 12:23
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Agree an important life line was lost between IOM and Northern Ireland
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 18:35
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The BHD-IOM-LCY was a way of Jack Walker putting one across the bows of Manx for stealing the SOU-JER from under their noses. By all accounts Manx chucked a high throwaway bid in and didn't expect to win.
I doubt the IOM-LCY part ever made a profit but but it did steal some cream from the IOM-LHR that hurt.
If the Island ever wants to maintain a decent frequency for business travel, they really are going to have to start their own airline. The damage of Open Skies was foretold and has come to pass.
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 19:26
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It's 2020 not 1998
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 20:40
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Originally Posted by lfc84 View Post
It's 2020 not 1998
Well somebody needs to take action to preserve at least a twice daily service into central London . Itís beyond comprehension that there will only be one or at best two flights to London Gatwick on EasyJet at times totally unsuitable for business .

Accepting that the situation post covid will be challenging hence the reason why a sensible outcome could be a morning and evening flight . If you look at the data as published the load factors were around 70% at a three times a day service and knowing the ticket price I think it had a reasonable yield .

If the Mayor of Teesside can step in to secure a regular flight from Teeside to London City then surely someone can sort this situation out .
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 21:02
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If its commercially viable someone will do it. Otherwise a solution is to increase the IOM population and economic activity to be the same as Jersey and then the residents will get full BA mainline and the associated frequencies to a variety of London airports
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 21:45
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The market has gone. EZY twice a day to LGW won't look so bad in 12 months time.
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 22:00
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[QUOTE=Jenny Tails;10836386]The market has gone. EZY twice a day to LGW won't look so bad in 12 months time.[/QUOTE

The flight times of EasyJet and the reliability leave a lot to be desired . If you donít mind getting back to central London around midnight then itís fine but I donít think that is acceptable for business travel . And the island is going to need business as it starts to rebuild the economy . A service into central London is critical to the island be it Heathrow or London City indeed the fact that this route operated every day except Saturdays since March shows how it important it is . I donít think I saw EasyJet offering to do this !

I donít agree the market is gone when you look at some of the routes that are going back in it needs some sensible marketing .
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Old 14th Jul 2020, 09:51
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[QUOTE=IOMX;10836392]
Originally Posted by Jenny Tails View Post
The market has gone. EZY twice a day to LGW won't look so bad in 12 months time.[/QUOTE

The flight times of EasyJet and the reliability leave a lot to be desired . If you donít mind getting back to central London around midnight then itís fine but I donít think that is acceptable for business travel . And the island is going to need business as it starts to rebuild the economy . A service into central London is critical to the island be it Heathrow or London City indeed the fact that this route operated every day except Saturdays since March shows how it important it is . I donít think I saw EasyJet offering to do this !

I donít agree the market is gone when you look at some of the routes that are going back in it needs some sensible marketing .
On the other hand, London City Airport are involved, and they (as well as their former sibling LGW) have made it very clear in the past that they don't like little aircraft on their turf. Their solution? Raise airport fees to the point of making 50 seat operations untenable. Add to that BA and their attempt to make LCY 'theirs' for their own larger aircraft and the problems become abundantly clear; especially for a population unwilling to pay more than LCC fares for full service routes.
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Old 14th Jul 2020, 09:55
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Originally Posted by IOMX View Post

On the other hand, London City Airport are involved, and they (as well as their former sibling LGW) have made it very clear in the past that they don't like little aircraft on their turf. Their solution? Raise airport fees to the point of making 50 seat operations untenable. Add to that BA and their attempt to make LCY 'theirs' for their own larger aircraft and the problems become abundantly clear; especially for a population unwilling to pay more than LCC fares for full service routes.
They seemed to change their tune on that recently and actively worked to attract the Loganair Dundee route which is operated with the ATR42. Iíd also imagine now any flights are better than none.
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