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Old 25th Aug 2020, 18:37
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Originally Posted by JSCL
Isn't part of Aurigny's problem that they always choose to try and compete on existing r outes rather than going for new ones...?
AURís problem is that there are not many, if any, new routes that they could operate from Guernsey which would support anything more than a summer weekend only operation.
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 18:59
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Originally Posted by kcockayne
AURís problem is that there are not many, if any, new routes that they could operate from Guernsey which would support anything more than a summer weekend only operation.
Is that not further demonstration or why state owned airlines for GCI and possibly IOM will not work and actually would be better serviced by an operator with fleet flexibility to service the seasonal needs?

I'm not against Aurigny servicing the Isle of Man, but I'd be very cautious of what that relationship looked like. Loganair will do a much better job and as many here know, I'm not much a fan of them either.
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 19:17
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Until the borders are relaxed further, any expansion on the island simply couldnít work
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 20:34
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What's the point for Aurigny if they already lose money by operating from their home turf and need to be propped up by the public purse? The only reason could be that the Isle of Man will subsidise the route to an extent that it does not only break even, but generates a profit that, to some extent, can minimize the losses of the GCI operation. Otherwise those paying taxes on Guernsey will find it difficult to understand why their taxes are at work on the Isle of Man....
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 20:39
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Originally Posted by virginblue
What's the point for Aurigny if they already lose money by operating from their home turf and need to be propped up by the public purse? The only reason could be that the Isle of Man will subsidise the route to an extent that it does not only break even, but generates a profit that, to some extent, can minimize the losses of the GCI operation. Otherwise those paying taxes on Guernsey will find it difficult to understand why their taxes are at work on the Isle of Man....
Between what I know, have heard and have also read in other places: the Isle of Man Government are being asked to prop up Aurigny by a few million per year in return for air routes.
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 20:54
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Talk of Aurigny setting up at EGNS is all very well. But with their draconian border restrictions in place it won't be happening any time soon.

Talking to a senior member of their 'Border Force' they are looking at late-March 2021 to ease their border rules. Bonkers.
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 21:01
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This co-operation, if it turns out to be real, may well have come about due to the "air bridge" which AUR are operating between Guernsey & the IoM (both islands being covid free for a few months now). It might reflect some sort of gratitude to the airline on the part of Tynwald, or inter island co-operation. There has been a lot of travel between the 2 islands & it has fostered friendly (& sporting) relations between them, too. Don't run down AUR too much - it is not easy for them, even at the best of times ! If the Manx people & politicians want them to operate some routes on their behalf, good luck to them all. But, I can't see Gatwick working for them if EZY stay on the route.
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 21:41
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Originally Posted by Jenny Tails
Talk of Aurigny setting up at EGNS is all very well. But with their draconian border restrictions in place it won't be happening any time soon.

Talking to a senior member of their 'Border Force' they are looking at late-March 2021 to ease their border rules. Bonkers.
Is that planning to move to Stage 3 late-March 2021 or is it planning to end up at Stage 1 by then ?
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 21:46
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This has all the hallmarks of an ill-considered 'marriage of convenience' which will doubtless end in tears, acrimony and a big bill for the Manx Taxpayer.

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Old 25th Aug 2020, 21:48
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Is that planning to move to Stage 3 late-March 2021 or is it planning to end up at Stage 1 by then ?
I don't think anyone knows. IOMG do not appear to have a clear exit strategy from the current situation.
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 21:54
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I can see that the IOM hasn't had any cases since mid may, but there seems to be a steady trickle in the CI. Are they all on the other islands?
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 22:20
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Originally Posted by inOban
I can see that the IOM hasn't had any cases since mid may, but there seems to be a steady trickle in the CI. Are they all on the other islands?
All cases are in Jersey, think they have about 10 active cases, however they have open borders with the UK, with testing on arrival. The passenger is able to roam the island freely for the 24 - 48 hours before their test results are known.
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Guernsey and it's islands have had no new cases for 117 days. The only place Guernsey had open boarders with is the Isle of Man.

Travel between Guernsey and Jersey requires the person to isolate for at least 7 days on arrival in Guernsey under the same rules as people arriving into Guernsey from the UK.
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 22:29
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Originally Posted by inOban
I can see that the IOM hasn't had any cases since mid may, but there seems to be a steady trickle in the CI. Are they all on the other islands?
Guernsey has not had any infections of Covid 19, nor any deaths, since April - there have been 16 deaths in all. They have been maintaining strict quarantine for all arrivals. Jersey has had 32 deaths - but only one since April/May. Jersey has been admitting arrivals from the UK subject to testing on arrival & a sort of self isolation until a negative result is received - normally 2 days. Arrivals from the continent are either required to test & isolate for 5 days - from an ďamberĒ country , or 14 days if you arrive from a ďredĒ country. As a result, we have 15 infected cases currently, of which a half are non-symptomatic. Nearly all of these are recent arrivals from the UK. The other islands have never had any infections or deaths.
If you want to keep the virus out, Guernsey has demonstrated to the world exactly how to do it !
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 23:14
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easyJet are currently selling seats on the LGW-IOM route resuming next Tuesday 1st Sept and also LPL-IOM route resuming Friday 4th.
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 23:35
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Originally Posted by lfc84
easyJet are currently selling seats on the LGW-IOM route resuming next Tuesday 1st Sept and also LPL-IOM route resuming Friday 4th.
I'm sure that is true, but my flight LGW to IOM on 11th September was cancelled weeks ago.

To be honest, their whole booking, and booking management system, has been a shambles throught his whole period. I have two old bookings, for travel in July, and for which they have already given me a full refund, still showing as active and changeable on the App.

I am veryconcerned that IOMG are trying to be too smart, by cosying up to Aurigny, and will drive easyJet away, which will be very bad news for fares, choice and volume.

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Old 26th Aug 2020, 10:00
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Originally Posted by Tonyq
I am very concerned that IOMG are trying to be too smart, by cosying up to Aurigny, and will drive easyJet away, which will be very bad news for fares, choice and volume.
I guess it depends on your definition of 'choice'? Since they came onto the LGW, BFS, BRS and LPL routes, EZY haven't offered the frequency of the airlines they replaced. This might be good for leisure customers but may be less positive for business.
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Old 26th Aug 2020, 11:19
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I agree BHD and NI business is crying out for a double daily for IOM. EZY yes great for leisure not so for the business traveller
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Old 26th Aug 2020, 12:24
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Isle of Man 2

What about Stobart Air? Definitely one of the favorites Iíd imagine. They have operated out of Isle of Man for over a decade under different brands. I wouldnít be surprised if they fly under a Manx banner. There was a write up in the Irish Independent in May about them approaching the Manx government. Iím assuming they are still in the running as they have crew on the island twiddling their thumbs?
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Old 26th Aug 2020, 14:58
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Originally Posted by Tonyq
I don't think anyone knows. IOMG do not appear to have a clear exit strategy from the current situation.
Haven't been able to visit family in IOM and would dearly like to go but can't put their household into quarantine. I reckon the IOM's exit strategy is clear enough but it's unrealistic and won't be workable. Next year's TT won't be able to go ahead unless IOMG do a u-turn. Reckon they'll explore testing before departure and other schemes before they either sacrifice the TT and other events or concoct a politically acceptable scheme which effectively lets the virus back on the island. Economics presses for the latter.
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Old 26th Aug 2020, 15:09
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Originally Posted by Mr Optimistic
Haven't been able to visit family in IOM and would dearly like to go but can't put their household into quarantine. I reckon the IOM's exit strategy is clear enough but it's unrealistic and won't be workable. Next year's TT won't be able to go ahead unless IOMG do a u-turn. Reckon they'll explore testing before departure and other schemes before they either sacrifice the TT and other events or concoct a politically acceptable scheme which effectively lets the virus back on the island. Economics presses for the latter.
I think they will do everything they possibly can to ensure TT happens next year
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