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Old 5th Jul 2019, 15:05
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Whilst I wish this new venture success, I think it is a bit rich for this feature (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/busine...senger-flights) on the BBC website to suggest that...

"it offers a quick link between London and big businesses in Cumbria such as BAE Systems at Barrow-in-Furness"

According to AA Route Planner, BAE Systems in Barrow is 92.4 miles from Carlisle Airport and it takes 1 hour 50 minutes by car. And of course the BaE Systems actually own an airport at Barrow, albeit with a shorter main runway.
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 18:53
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Originally Posted by Forfoxake View Post
Whilst I wish this new venture success, I think it is a bit rich for this feature (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/busine...senger-flights) on the BBC website to suggest that...

"it offers a quick link between London and big businesses in Cumbria such as BAE Systems at Barrow-in-Furness"

According to AA Route Planner, BAE Systems in Barrow is 92.4 miles from Carlisle Airport and it takes 1 hour 50 minutes by car. And of course the BaE Systems actually own an airport at Barrow, albeit with a shorter main runway.
verses Manchester airport to Barrow which is 1 hour 50 min and 105 miles........


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Old 6th Jul 2019, 01:29
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The leaders of the western world, Donald and Boris (me thinks) never let such trifling matters as hard facts get in the way of their message.

So if Stobart are briefing the BBC and others with information somewhat short on credibility, I suggest we cut them some slack for the moment.

Further commercial development at CAX won't be easy. At least they've made a start.
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 06:39
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Truth is the routes are only operational due to government intervention in the form of a subsidy. How much is the handout and for how long? I am assuming it is for all 3 routes and that any additional route would not get any money.
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 11:04
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Quite a decent video blog - IMO, of the inaugural flight to SEN.

https://t.co/ILk9jiHgPw?amp=1
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 12:26
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Originally Posted by DC3 Dave View Post
Quite a decent video blog - IMO, of the inaugural flight to SEN.

https://t.co/ILk9jiHgPw?amp=1
I reckon so too.
There is also an earlier video where he does a 'recce' of the airport, a day or so before.
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 17:10
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 17:56
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Originally Posted by Spanish eyes View Post
Truth is the routes are only operational due to government intervention in the form of a subsidy. How much is the handout and for how long? I am assuming it is for all 3 routes and that any additional route would not get any money.
I did read that the airport had some local grant money for the build but I didnít know the routes were subsidised. Surprising if so with competing airports not too far away. Where did you see this about the route subsidies?
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 18:07
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Wasn't it 'just' a one off 5M grant from Cumbria enterprise to sort runway and infrastructure? (with no ongoing route subsidy)
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 19:35
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount View Post
Wasn't it 'just' a one off 5M grant from Cumbria enterprise to sort runway and infrastructure? (with no ongoing route subsidy)
I'm also unaware of any subsidy from the government/local authorities in regards to the flights/routes. The airport itself i am aware got a grant for the infrastructure and upgrading facilities onsite. I guess however if there was any funds left that they might have been able to use some of it to help with the airline launching the routes. Plus of course i'm sure Stobart will be giving very good rates to Loganair anyway for being there.
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Old 8th Jul 2019, 09:42
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Originally Posted by Cazza_fly View Post
I'm also unaware of any subsidy from the government/local authorities in regards to the flights/routes. The airport itself i am aware got a grant for the infrastructure and upgrading facilities onsite. I guess however if there was any funds left that they might have been able to use some of it to help with the airline launching the routes. Plus of course i'm sure Stobart will be giving very good rates to Loganair anyway for being there.
Stobart Air were granted funding for Belfast, Dublin and Southend flights back in 2016 as part of the governments new Regional Air Connectivity Fund. I'm not sure if this is still in place after the delays and change of operators however.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/n...-uk-and-europe

I was lucky enough to be on the first flight out of Carlisle on Thursday, so here's a few observations from the day:

- Free bacon rolls and bucks fizz in the airport in the morning. No cake - they saved that for later on (apparently it was in the shape of a plane)
- Security took an age. Probably around 20 minutes to process all passengers
- You wait in the cafe until the flight is called, proceed straight through security and on to the plane.
- There were around 3 empty seats on the first flight, so about 33 passengers. At least 2 of those were media, possibly 4. 3 aviation enthusiasts just wanting to be on the first flight
- No windows in rows 2. Row 6 is the emergency exit (Nyxair aircraft is a different config to the loganair saabs)
- Cabin crew are Loganair - Newcastle based. 1 Crew member will operate all 3 flights for the day. I assume the pilots are Nyxair. Crew seem happy to be operating the flights
- Free gift bag containing a mini bottle of whisky and a loganair shot glass for all passengers on our flight.
- Flight arrives into T1 at Dublin. There was no queue at all for immigration when we arrived so straight through. (you can use a driving licence for immigration). United flights depart from T2, so not an ideal connection.

I spent the night in Dublin, then came back the following morning. Some more observations:

- Only 10 passengers on the return flight. 2 of those were media.
- Immigration in to carlisle took an age. Border force dont seem to have passport scanners, but instead manually type passport details into laptops to process them
- Apparently on the first day they were giving out 70 numbered leather passport covers to incoming passengers. None of these were being given out on day 2, so either they used them all and inbound loads were decent, or they just didnt bother.

Flight times both ways were around 55 minutes. All in all though, its a great service, and long may it continue. I'm off to Chicago at the end of the month, and considering going Via Dublin rather than driving up to EDI, but we'll see. It's a 2 hour connection in Dublin, involving a terminal change, so not ideal. Southend in August to visit friends in London, then might as well to Belfast in September so I've done all 3 destinations :-)

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Old 8th Jul 2019, 11:55
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Originally Posted by nighthawk117 View Post
- Immigration in to carlisle took an age. Border force dont seem to have passport scanners, but instead manually type passport details into laptops to process them
- Apparently on the first day they were giving out 70 numbered leather passport covers to incoming passengers. None of these were being given out on day 2, so either they used them all and inbound loads were decent, or they just didnt bother.
Immigration coming from Dublin? That's new. It's the CTA so no passports are technically required. At best it would usually be Police/Special branch doing I.D checks. I suppose that UK Border Force just finding jobs to do to show their "authority"...
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Old 8th Jul 2019, 14:28
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Originally Posted by Forfoxake View Post
Whilst I wish this new venture success, I think it is a bit rich for this feature (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/busine...senger-flights) on the BBC website to suggest that...

"it offers a quick link between London and big businesses in Cumbria such as BAE Systems at Barrow-in-Furness"

According to AA Route Planner, BAE Systems in Barrow is 92.4 miles from Carlisle Airport and it takes 1 hour 50 minutes by car. And of course the BaE Systems actually own an airport at Barrow, albeit with a shorter main runway.
So who remembers Air Furness?

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Old 8th Jul 2019, 15:50
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Me vaguely
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Old 8th Jul 2019, 16:06
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Originally Posted by Cazza_fly View Post
Immigration coming from Dublin? That's new. It's the CTA so no passports are technically required. At best it would usually be Police/Special branch doing I.D checks. I suppose that UK Border Force just finding jobs to do to show their "authority"...
I did wonder.. but it was UK Border Patrol personnel doing the checks.
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Old 8th Jul 2019, 16:40
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Originally Posted by Alteagod View Post
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Fond memories of making bookings for various business travellers on the BWF-MAN service when I was *much* younger!!
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Old 8th Jul 2019, 20:18
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Originally Posted by nighthawk117 View Post
Stobart Air were granted funding for Belfast, Dublin and Southend flights back in 2016 as part of the governments new Regional Air Connectivity Fund. I'm not sure if this is still in place after the delays and change of operators however.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/n...-uk-and-europe

I was lucky enough to be on the first flight out of Carlisle on Thursday, so here's a few observations from the day:

- Free bacon rolls and bucks fizz in the airport in the morning. No cake - they saved that for later on (apparently it was in the shape of a plane)
- Security took an age. Probably around 20 minutes to process all passengers
- You wait in the cafe until the flight is called, proceed straight through security and on to the plane.
- There were around 3 empty seats on the first flight, so about 33 passengers. At least 2 of those were media, possibly 4. 3 aviation enthusiasts just wanting to be on the first flight
- No windows in rows 2. Row 6 is the emergency exit (Nyxair aircraft is a different config to the loganair saabs)
- Cabin crew are Loganair - Newcastle based. 1 Crew member will operate all 3 flights for the day. I assume the pilots are Nyxair. Crew seem happy to be operating the flights
- Free gift bag containing a mini bottle of whisky and a loganair shot glass for all passengers on our flight.
- Flight arrives into T1 at Dublin. There was no queue at all for immigration when we arrived so straight through. (you can use a driving licence for immigration). United flights depart from T2, so not an ideal connection.

I spent the night in Dublin, then came back the following morning. Some more observations:

- Only 10 passengers on the return flight. 2 of those were media.
- Immigration in to carlisle took an age. Border force dont seem to have passport scanners, but instead manually type passport details into laptops to process them
- Apparently on the first day they were giving out 70 numbered leather passport covers to incoming passengers. None of these were being given out on day 2, so either they used them all and inbound loads were decent, or they just didnt bother.

Flight times both ways were around 55 minutes. All in all though, its a great service, and long may it continue. I'm off to Chicago at the end of the month, and considering going Via Dublin rather than driving up to EDI, but we'll see. It's a 2 hour connection in Dublin, involving a terminal change, so not ideal. Southend in August to visit friends in London, then might as well to Belfast in September so I've done all 3 destinations :-)
Assuming you can through check then flight connections at Dublin can be accessed from either terminal, and they are linked. It takes only a few minutes to walk into T2 from T1.

I also don't understand border control getting involved with the Dublin flight. At some smaller airports (Doncaster) for instance, the police seem bored and meet the flights. At larger airports it seems no-one cares.
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Old 9th Jul 2019, 06:39
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oh I do , I was a travel agent for many years and I do remember booking them along BASE airlines from Blackpool to Antwerp.
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Old 9th Jul 2019, 10:07
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There's no requirement for immigration or passport / ID checks for Irish flights arriving into the UK or as far as I am aware. I know you clear immigration in Ireland when outbound from the UK but not inbound.
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Old 9th Jul 2019, 10:40
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Assuming you can through check then flight connections at Dublin can be accessed from either terminal,
Is there any interlining at Dublin?
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