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Old 26th May 2018, 17:39
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Amazing..tell me again where these hypothetical passengers are going to come from?

have these hypothetical passengers arrived?

interesting few months ahead!
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Old 26th May 2018, 18:13
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So are you saying they built CAX a terminal and now they are going to cancel all flights? I don’t think so.
in my opinion it’s one of the following but definitely not pulling CAX- SEN route it just wouldn’t make sense.

1. Extremely high demand and not enough capacity.
2. Delay in aircraft delivery.
3. Schedule restructuring.
4. Runway, terminal or infrastructure not ready.
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Old 26th May 2018, 18:29
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Originally Posted by TartinTon View Post
Daz211....every day between now and Dec? Don't be so ridiculous. Either the route is under review or whoever is doing their revenue management needs sacking.
Not every day !
take September for instance Sunday to Sunday CAX-SEN-CAX showing on skyscanner at 103 ish.
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Old 26th May 2018, 18:32
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Anything's possible except 1. Tickets have been on sale for some time - they would have seen the tidal wave coming and dealt with it with relish.
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Old 26th May 2018, 18:34
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And 04th to 11th June on the same route showing 146 rtn.
Not high enough to put people off booking in my opinion, maybe if it was 346 them maybe.
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Old 26th May 2018, 18:56
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And 04th to 11th June on the same route showing 146 rtn.
Not high enough to put people off booking in my opinion, maybe if it was 346 them maybe.
Don't know where you're looking, but on Loganair's website it's 290.50 return.
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Look, there's clearly a problem here - even if it's just website issues

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Old 26th May 2018, 19:05
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I wouldn't attach much weight to the Skyscanner results as they would send you to the Loganair website to complete the booking So it's what's on the latter that counts and the prices it's showing have been mentioned already in this thread.

If it was unprecedented demand causing this apparent sell-out of cheaper flights there'd presumably have been a) a press release to that effect given it's a new operation and the airport operator would want to trumpet that fact b) some additional flights at peak times or c) some flights upgraded to the S2000. There is no evidence of any of that happening.

I don't think it's a delay in aircraft deliveries as I don't think Loganair have any more on order and hence they were doing these flights from their current fleet.
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Old 26th May 2018, 19:23
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146 return? Try and book it Daz....
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Old 26th May 2018, 21:35
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Loganair have advised someone on another forum that they have a problem with their website. Not that that means much.
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Old 27th May 2018, 05:25
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Is the government subsidy paid per passenger, per flight or per route. While subsidies are fine for Island routes there is something fundamentally unsettling here.
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Old 27th May 2018, 06:23
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Is the government subsidy paid per passenger, per flight or per route. While subsidies are fine for Island routes there is something fundamentally unsettling here.
Why, what's the difference?
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Old 27th May 2018, 08:23
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What subsidy are we talking about? I thought Carlisle was a straightforward commercial operation?
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Old 27th May 2018, 08:38
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What subsidy are we talking about? I thought Carlisle was a straightforward commercial operation?
No - the routes should get start up funding from the Govt - think the scheme was called the Regional Connectivity Fund(?).

CAX has also received funding for some of the airfield improvements.
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Old 27th May 2018, 09:18
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Why, what's the difference?
Carlisle is one of the best connected towns in the country via motorway and the railway and has a half hourly services to London. By the time minimum check-in times are considered and then the hour train ride to and from Southend there is next to no saving. Looking the other way there are also direct train services to both Edinburgh and Glasgow. Island communities are isolated and Carlisle isn't. If Stobart wants to run a service that is fine but not at taxpayers expense.
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Old 27th May 2018, 09:36
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
Carlisle is one of the best connected towns in the country via motorway and the railway and has a half hourly services to London. By the time minimum check-in times are considered and then the hour train ride to and from Southend there is next to no saving. Looking the other way there are also direct train services to both Edinburgh and Glasgow. Island communities are isolated and Carlisle isn't. If Stobart wants to run a service that is fine but not at taxpayers expense.
If the good people of Cumbria agree with you then the route will fail, but then there's Dublin and Belfast where it's easier to make a case for CAX. Lots of ways the government waste our money. Don't blame Stobart.
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Old 27th May 2018, 09:52
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Carlisle is one of the best connected towns in the country via motorway and the railway and has a half hourly services to London
Hmmm - I'll share that with colleagues who work there, it'll brighten up the start of the week.

Drive south down the M6 for an hour and you'll reach Lancaster...

Manchester and Glasgow airports are two hours away, Newcastle over an hour on a poor single carriageway road.

Anyway, if Stobart meet the criteria for funding, why shouldn't they benefit?
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Old 27th May 2018, 09:55
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Although it must be said that it would be quite bizarre if Loganair was preparing to exit the CAX operation by selling tickets only from the highest fare basket, but at the same time the new CAX operation is advertised prominently on the landing page of Loganair's website. I would expect them to yank all advertising for the routes at the same as they yank all cheap fares with a view to axing the route.

Who knows? Maybe some sort of power game between Stobart and Loganair? I am sure Loganair gets massive "marketing support" from Stobart for the route launch and maybe there are some hiccups regarding those and Loganair is demonstrating the leverage it has.

As for the official "subsidies", my understanding regarding the Regional Air Connectivity Fund is that is not really about straightforward subsidies, but more about discounted fees etc.
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Old 27th May 2018, 10:05
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As for the official "subsidies", my understanding regarding the Regional Air Connectivity Fund is that is not really about straightforward subsidies, but more about discounted fees etc
Also, it was Stobart Air that applied for the funding not Loganair, so unless it is transferable, they won't be getting anything.
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Old 27th May 2018, 10:32
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All the doomers and gloomers can now be rest assured that from Loganair there message is " we are experiencing some technical issues but unfortunately due to the bank holiday this may not be rectified immediately"

Lets move on...…………………..
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All the doomers and gloomers can now be rest assured that from Loganair there message is " we are experiencing some technical issues but unfortunately due to the bank holiday this may not be rectified immediately"

Lets move on...…………………..
Yes, I see England have collapsed at Lord's this morning in typical fashion.....
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