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Old 9th Nov 2017, 08:51
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Plane.Silly..
Not speaking for the poster you picked up on I would imagine tho the line regarding a doubling of the Summer fleet for 2019 over 2018 was a mis-type with the years.
It seems to be known that 2019 will be double the 2017 fleet/capacity & that further growth in 2018 is inhibited by lack of aeroplanes.
You may be wrong with the assumption that STN will lack parking space & slots by 2019 both items are being addressed by MAG.
Your remark that EXS are chasing demand is v possibly approaching the issue from the wrong direction,commentary would probably state they are creating demand (for their product).
Just as an aside & not a reflection within the EXS debate,the B767 pax variant may not be finished after all as apparently UAL have been "talking" to Boeing concerning a re-launch.Possibly come to nothing tho.
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Old 9th Nov 2017, 09:46
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Sorry I might not have been clear, I did mean 2019 but the fleet size is without the leased in aircraft so the aim is for 17 by summer 2019 I must add this is the aim and not guaranteed a lot can happen in a short time in this industry as we all know.
Also the capacity could be taken up buy outstation bases if 17 is not possible.
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Old 9th Nov 2017, 10:06
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daz211...
Apologies...Thanks for the update..I know as you say a lot can happen & invariably does but a projected 17 unit base for 2019 is great to hear.
I see that even as of now EXS are advertising for 210 staff consisting of ramp & pax agents for STN as they are going self handling.
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Old 9th Nov 2017, 10:14
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Southside no need for apologies
I didn’t make myself clear in my post.
As you mention going self handling at Stansted is a massive boost and a sign of overwhelming confidence in the base very exciting time ahead.
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Old 9th Nov 2017, 10:35
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@Southside / Daz

Thanks for the clarification. I did think 20 was a bit too much.
Self handling was inevitable given the size of the operation. They've done it at EMA and they only have 7, so it was only a matter of time. Still dead impressive given they started from nothing to 2nd largest by 2018/19

As for the 767 option, if UAL can coax Boeing back into it, i wouldn't be surprised to see a decent order come through from LS. All 34 738NG's would have been delivered by then so bring it on
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Old 16th Nov 2017, 08:16
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1/2 year results are in (to end of september) and Jet2 unsurprisingly are faring very well. Good news for its future

http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articl...-strong-summer
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Old 16th Nov 2017, 11:38
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Are the terrible teen dreamliners still kicking about or have they been bought?
Ethiopian took the bulk of them.
https://www.planespotters.net/produc...ist/Boeing/787

Thanks for the update..I know as you say a lot can happen & invariably does but a projected 17 unit base for 2019 is great to hear.
That's a Hell of an increase. Surely easyJet need to react or just walk away.
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Old 16th Nov 2017, 13:57
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Skipness One Echo...
You posit that surely EZY need to react to EXS at STN or just walk away...
The two co-exist well at MAN which points to some strategic thinking perhaps with MAG & they the airport operator are aware they can.I doubt MAG would work up EXS to lose EZY.
Anyways surely EZY & EXS are different marketing models to quite a large extent?.
The EZY domestic network at STN is valuable to EZY in any case.
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Old 16th Nov 2017, 14:12
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The two co-exist well at MAN which points to some strategic thinking perhaps with MAG & they the airport operator are aware they can.I doubt MAG would work up EXS to lose EZY.
easyJet moved into MAN after starting at LPL, the MAN was positive and a little aggresive. Whereas STN has been static for ages, no real growth agenda and then sit back and let a new competitor drop 17 based units into what was GO's biggest base.
They don't seem to have a firm idea of what they want at STN IMHO.

I doubt MAG would work up EXS to lose EZY.
If EXS are serious about working about to 17 aircraft MAG would cut easy loose in an instant, they've not shown any drive to grow STN, indeed with going into SEN, quite the contrary IMHO. EXS look like being a better fit for STN it seems.
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Old 16th Nov 2017, 14:26
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Don't think MAG would drop EZY, given they provide arrivals/departures on inbound based aircraft, when airports are a bit busier. EXS have started to copy this, with ALC/PMI bases, but if MAG want to keep volume up, they'd be better placed to just prefer EXS to EZY when allocating slots,
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Old 16th Nov 2017, 15:14
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Skipness One Echo..
Simply disagree...With your second statement that MAG would cut loose EZY over a larger EXS base in an instant is loose thought,would you not reason that for MAG it is far more positive to work with both?.
A lot of funding was made available for MAG to acquire STN so win/win situations will be in play not win/lose.
You do not address the supposition that EZY & EXS are different marketing models to quite a large extent.
You also do not acknowledge that even if static the network inc the domestic network is a valuable asset to EZY & it would not be credible to have no presence at London`s third airport & to cede presence & market.
As to EZY`s historical growth at STN that is the result of forces within the London market generally & are easy to identify or well known over a number of years.
Both Ryanair & EZY are good fits in the STN network as is EXS which is bringing the third way to the London market untapped historically for many years.
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Old 16th Nov 2017, 15:27
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Totally agree southside
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Old 16th Nov 2017, 18:26
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Stansted doesn't allocate slots. EZY would have historic or Grandfather rights to the slots that it holds. They can't be redistributed in the way you suggest.
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Old 16th Nov 2017, 19:18
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Please define the “third way to the London market untapped historically for many years”?
11 years as a marketing analyst, I must have missed something.

I am not having a go at EZY or LS so not sure what you are defending.

easyJet will drop a profitable route if it fails to maintain targets. The fact they maintain some domestic routes from STN is meaningless in itself. If the aircraft is better deployed elsewhere they will be moved. They even moved capacity from STN to SEN!
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Old 16th Nov 2017, 22:19
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Indeed EZY did shift capacity to SEN... and as I remember arguing quite strongly at the time, in the medium to longer-term somebody would see STN as an opportunity. Needless to say that was ridiculed for STN being in the wrong place and that nobody dare go up against FR blah blah... Though Jet2 turned out to be that 'somebody' and it can be quite confidently said it's launch (since that's all any of us can go by so far) has been a resounding success.

Nonetheless STN is still a good earner for EZY and I wouldn't even argue that STN is any less yielding for them than any other London airport. Even if so, much of that would come down to intricate details of the commercial deals and growth incentives they have with those airports. The truth is, LGW and LTN is where their appetite for growth is at. In 10 years time however, they may get a poorer deal from those airports or a key change in the market could mean that appetite then moves to STN.

What I'm getting at... is that it's not a simple case of one airport being less profitable than another. It overwhelmingly depends on what the airline is actually willing to do at that airport and, in part, the relationship an airline has with a particular airport.
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Old 17th Nov 2017, 06:29
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Plane Silly:
Stansted doesn't allocate slots. EZY would have historic or Grandfather rights to the slots that it holds. They can't be redistributed in the way you suggest.
I'm not suggesting they just take them away from EZY, what i'm suggesting is that in the future, when other slots become available, that they have a preferred operator in LS. With this, MAG would give LS first dibs at these other slots.
Merely a suggestion if they want to work more with LS than EZY
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Old 17th Nov 2017, 07:29
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The slots are allocated by ACL not the airport and do you really think they would upset a major operator like that
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Old 17th Nov 2017, 07:52
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Quite rights, the airport itself has the responsibility to run the airport but has no say in slot allocation. ACL are an independent company who are responsible for the allocation of slots at various UK and other world-wide airports.
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Old 18th Nov 2017, 09:39
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Jet2's Newest Boeing 737-800, G-JZBD arrived direct from Seattle into Leeds at 07:20 this morning.
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Old 19th Nov 2017, 09:58
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Slots

Dear Mr Silly

As others have pointed out, the airports do not allocate slots - it is done by ACL.

So here's some light reading for you. This the Slot Allocation Statutory Instrument where you can see the EU regulation taken into British Law.

https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/up...Regulation.pdf

If you are still interested, the EU legislation is here

EUR-Lex - l24085 - EN - EUR-Lex

And just in case you don't know who ACL are (who do the slot allocation in the UK), here's their website

https://www.acl-uk.org/about-us/
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