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Seems strange that they upgraded to a 789 this summer though. Perhaps going seasonal?
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To make comment on the validity, where is this 'elsewhere' source you talk of?
Thought we were always assured this was going to go good-guns. Unlike wrong type of snow on the lines, will this be blamed on the wrong Chinese carrier?
Remains to be seen, perhaps just going seasonal. But agree with all those empty seats even on a triangle route was surprised to see 789.
Would be a shame to see it ditched when EDI threw everything at it to land it. A nice looking livery, though wouldnt be in my top list if departing EDI going East
Thought we were always assured this was going to go good-guns. Unlike wrong type of snow on the lines, will this be blamed on the wrong Chinese carrier?
Remains to be seen, perhaps just going seasonal. But agree with all those empty seats even on a triangle route was surprised to see 789.
Would be a shame to see it ditched when EDI threw everything at it to land it. A nice looking livery, though wouldnt be in my top list if departing EDI going East
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I can confirm that most of the TA booking engines have further booking blocked from Sept. Doesn't look good for this attempt at a China Flagship route.
Think some commentators did say it was doomed from the outset.
Think some commentators did say it was doomed from the outset.
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The annoying is now people can scream that EDI/Scotland failed to hold on to a Chinese route when so many were asking for it for ages. Hainan didn't give this route any real chance to grow. 2 a week in each direction with the odd Dublin stop over that they weren't always advising people about and at strange times is not doing the market justice.
There most certainly is demand but a more serious carrier is needed. Direct flights, at least 4pw and actuallly advertising the route at this end would have probably increased HUs fortunes but they were simply not interested.
There most certainly is demand but a more serious carrier is needed. Direct flights, at least 4pw and actuallly advertising the route at this end would have probably increased HUs fortunes but they were simply not interested.
Hainan didn't give this route any real chance to grow. 2 a week in each direction with the odd Dublin stop over that they weren't always advising people about and at strange times is not doing the market justice.
From various media reports over the last year I suspect Hainan may have other priorities for spending whatever cash they have. Like how to pay their aircraft leases for example...
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It's slightly surprising that this flight hasn't worked out - Chinese tourist visits to the UK and Europe are booming at the moment, and as we know Edinburgh is a very popular tourist destination. There should have been enough demand to sustain a 2 weekly service... surely?
But as others have said, Hainan are not exactly in a great financial position, so if the route is struggling they just dont have the resources to keep it going. Anyway, lets not get too carried away - it may just be going summer only for all we know.
But as others have said, Hainan are not exactly in a great financial position, so if the route is struggling they just dont have the resources to keep it going. Anyway, lets not get too carried away - it may just be going summer only for all we know.
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After a declaration of a `climate emergency` last week from the First Minister & now the Scottish Government decision to U turn on a manifesto pledge to halve & then eliminate APD/ADT but retain it in its entirety it is surprising perhaps there has been zero comment on this or any other forum.
Finance Secretary Derek Mackay said reducing air departure tax - which will replace air passenger duty in Scotland - was "no longer compatible" with its climate targets. Mr Mackay added: "All parts of government and society have a contribution to make to meeting this challenge. We continue to support our tourism industry, which is going from strength to strength, and we will work with the sector to develop in a sustainable way. We welcome their efforts - and those of the aviation industry - to reduce carbon emissions."
The announcement was criticised by Gordon Dewar, the chief executive of Edinburgh Airport, who said: "We've gone from personal commitments to all-out cancellation in the space of just two weeks, which shows just how reactionary this decision is. It does not show leadership and means airports and airlines have been led down a path of failed promises for three years by this Scottish government. It also raises questions about continued support for our tourism sector when airlines have already walked away from Scotland due to this failure to deliver."
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The emotion seems to be overtaking any rational business sense in your reply. Have you got any remote idea as to the level of investment required to support the service even in its current form? If it is not working - regardless of the reason why - airlines cannot afford to lose several million (and that's the quantum we're talking about here) flying aircraft at below break-even load factors and/or yields unless they see some very clear signs of improvement on the horizon. If you want a daily Beijing service with Air China then it is going to require tens of millions to support it. [Even then, it is not bound to succeed - Qatar Airways at Cardiff being the obvious example.] If you haven't got those tens of millions to chuck at it, then you have to make do with what the market can provide on a purely commercial basis - which you then can't really complain about.
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After a declaration of a `climate emergency` last week from the First Minister & now the Scottish Government decision to U turn on a manifesto pledge to halve & then eliminate APD/ADT but retain it in its entirety it is surprising perhaps there has been zero comment on this or any other forum.
I wonder what it means for PIK as it seems a bit hypocritical to support one bit of the aviation industry and still insist there is a climate emergency or whatever this week's buzzword is .