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Old 26th Apr 2019, 12:16
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Tui seem to have dropped Gran Canria and Rhodes for S20 and added a new Antalya flight.
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Old 26th Apr 2019, 15:46
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We'll just have to use Jet2 then...
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Old 26th Apr 2019, 16:12
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We'll just have to use Jet2 then...
Except you'll have to wait for Jet2 to release their Summer 20 schedule from EDI/GLA..... they released all their other bases (except EMA) 6 weeks ago...
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Old 27th Apr 2019, 12:46
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Anyone in the know why Air Iceland had a flight today as FXI 670 and reg was TF-FXA Dash8 Q400.
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Old 2nd May 2019, 07:13
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Emirates are using one of their new B777-300ER on the route today as A6-EQH, this will be with the new first class suites.
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Old 2nd May 2019, 14:14
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Also Easyjet to continue Jersey into the winter season at 2x weekly.
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Old 2nd May 2019, 17:01
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Originally Posted by Plane mad 134 View Post
Anyone in the know why Air Iceland had a flight today as FXI 670 and reg was TF-FXA Dash8 Q400.
The return leg of a charter for an Icelandic company. The inbound flight was earlier on in the week.
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Old 2nd May 2019, 18:53
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Originally Posted by edi_local View Post
The return leg of a charter for an Icelandic company. The inbound flight was earlier on in the week.
Ah ok thanks, seems there will be another flight tommorow as well according to FR24.
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Old 7th May 2019, 17:31
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I have read elsewhere that PEK-DUB/EDI HU service looks like it is for the chop - last flight from PEK 31st August.
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Old 7th May 2019, 17:41
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I have read elsewhere that PEK-DUB/EDI HU service looks like it is for the chop - last flight from PEK 31st August.
Would be a shame, but probably not surprising given that return fares were in the low 400s or even less. Flight times probably didnt help either.

Seems strange that they upgraded to a 789 this summer though. Perhaps going seasonal?
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Old 7th May 2019, 17:53
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Originally Posted by sinbad73 View Post
I have read elsewhere.
To make comment on the validity, where is this 'elsewhere' source you talk of?
Thought we were always assured this was going to go good-guns. Unlike wrong type of snow on the lines, will this be blamed on the wrong Chinese carrier?
Remains to be seen, perhaps just going seasonal. But agree with all those empty seats even on a triangle route was surprised to see 789.
Would be a shame to see it ditched when EDI threw everything at it to land it. A nice looking livery, though wouldnt be in my top list if departing EDI going East
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Old 7th May 2019, 18:00
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I can confirm that most of the TA booking engines have further booking blocked from Sept. Doesn't look good for this attempt at a China Flagship route.
Think some commentators did say it was doomed from the outset.
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Old 8th May 2019, 04:24
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The annoying is now people can scream that EDI/Scotland failed to hold on to a Chinese route when so many were asking for it for ages. Hainan didn't give this route any real chance to grow. 2 a week in each direction with the odd Dublin stop over that they weren't always advising people about and at strange times is not doing the market justice.

​​​​​There most certainly is demand but a more serious carrier is needed. Direct flights, at least 4pw and actuallly advertising the route at this end would have probably increased HUs fortunes but they were simply not interested.

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Old 8th May 2019, 07:16
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Hainan didn't give this route any real chance to grow. 2 a week in each direction with the odd Dublin stop over that they weren't always advising people about and at strange times is not doing the market justice.
The emotion seems to be overtaking any rational business sense in your reply. Have you got any remote idea as to the level of investment required to support the service even in its current form? If it is not working - regardless of the reason why - airlines cannot afford to lose several million (and that's the quantum we're talking about here) flying aircraft at below break-even load factors and/or yields unless they see some very clear signs of improvement on the horizon. If you want a daily Beijing service with Air China then it is going to require tens of millions to support it. [Even then, it is not bound to succeed - Qatar Airways at Cardiff being the obvious example.] If you haven't got those tens of millions to chuck at it, then you have to make do with what the market can provide on a purely commercial basis - which you then can't really complain about.
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Old 8th May 2019, 07:26
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Originally Posted by edi_local View Post
and actuallly advertising the route at this end would have probably increased HUs fortunes but they were simply not interested.

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From various media reports over the last year I suspect Hainan may have other priorities for spending whatever cash they have. Like how to pay their aircraft leases for example...
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Old 8th May 2019, 08:08
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It's slightly surprising that this flight hasn't worked out - Chinese tourist visits to the UK and Europe are booming at the moment, and as we know Edinburgh is a very popular tourist destination. There should have been enough demand to sustain a 2 weekly service... surely?

But as others have said, Hainan are not exactly in a great financial position, so if the route is struggling they just dont have the resources to keep it going. Anyway, lets not get too carried away - it may just be going summer only for all we know.
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Old 8th May 2019, 08:20
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After a declaration of a `climate emergency` last week from the First Minister & now the Scottish Government decision to U turn on a manifesto pledge to halve & then eliminate APD/ADT but retain it in its entirety it is surprising perhaps there has been zero comment on this or any other forum.
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Old 8th May 2019, 09:06
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Finance Secretary Derek Mackay said reducing air departure tax - which will replace air passenger duty in Scotland - was "no longer compatible" with its climate targets. Mr Mackay added: "All parts of government and society have a contribution to make to meeting this challenge. We continue to support our tourism industry, which is going from strength to strength, and we will work with the sector to develop in a sustainable way. We welcome their efforts - and those of the aviation industry - to reduce carbon emissions."
The announcement was criticised by Gordon Dewar, the chief executive of Edinburgh Airport, who said: "We've gone from personal commitments to all-out cancellation in the space of just two weeks, which shows just how reactionary this decision is. It does not show leadership and means airports and airlines have been led down a path of failed promises for three years by this Scottish government. It also raises questions about continued support for our tourism sector when airlines have already walked away from Scotland due to this failure to deliver."
Scottish government scraps air tax cut
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Old 8th May 2019, 09:33
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Originally Posted by Flightrider View Post
The emotion seems to be overtaking any rational business sense in your reply. Have you got any remote idea as to the level of investment required to support the service even in its current form? If it is not working - regardless of the reason why - airlines cannot afford to lose several million (and that's the quantum we're talking about here) flying aircraft at below break-even load factors and/or yields unless they see some very clear signs of improvement on the horizon. If you want a daily Beijing service with Air China then it is going to require tens of millions to support it. [Even then, it is not bound to succeed - Qatar Airways at Cardiff being the obvious example.] If you haven't got those tens of millions to chuck at it, then you have to make do with what the market can provide on a purely commercial basis - which you then can't really complain about.
Let's be honest though HU seem to have a bit of a history of starting up a route, often with bizarre routings, times and frequency, sticking around for a bit and then cancelling it. Money for startups doesn't seem to be an issue. They have launched 3 weekly to Oslo and added Dublin to Shenzhen, as well as the HNA group move to LHR from LGW inirecent months. They just don't seem that interested in sticking around for long once they are in. A lot of work was put into this route but I just get the impression they have had no long term commitment desires from the start.

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Old 8th May 2019, 09:39
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After a declaration of a `climate emergency` last week from the First Minister & now the Scottish Government decision to U turn on a manifesto pledge to halve & then eliminate APD/ADT but retain it in its entirety it is surprising perhaps there has been zero comment on this or any other forum.
Disappointing but not surprising given the people the SNP rely on for support. I would have thought a sensible compromise could have been found thought, such as freezing the APD rate in Scotland for X years to mititage against any UK wide increases.

I wonder what it means for PIK as it seems a bit hypocritical to support one bit of the aviation industry and still insist there is a climate emergency or whatever this week's buzzword is .
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