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[Plane mad 134]

Tui have loaded up W21/22 from Edinburgh.

Schedule as follows:

- 2x weekly TFS
- 1x weekly ACE
- 2x weekly KTT (December only) (new)
- 2x weekly KEF (February only) (new)

[ROC10]

Originally Posted by Plane mad 134

Tui have loaded up W21/22 from Edinburgh.

Schedule as follows:

- 2x weekly TFS
- 1x weekly ACE
- 2x weekly KTT (December only) (new)
- 2x weekly KEF (February only) (new)

TFS (x2) and ACE (x1) will operate throughout the entire winter season as normal.

PFO will operate for one week in November, before returning in late March, along with LCA and PMI.

As of yet, I have no idea on ski routes, but given that one of the KEF flights in February is on Sundays, it doesn’t look like there will be much on that front, at least on Sundays, unless they intend to utilise a second aircraft.

SSH appears to be dropped, which is, of course, no great surprise.

I am surprised by the 2x weekly KTT and KEF, although they are only for one month each so I wouldn’t be too surprised to see those dropped, but we can keep our fingers crossed.

KEF is particularly surprising as it is only due to operate from LGW and MAN in Dec/Jan/Feb, with EDI and BRS operating in Feb. It looks like they may be focusing on geographical coverage and/or busier airports rather than their more typical approach of adding routes by base size (i.e. BHX/DSA/EMA/NCL don’t have any TUI flights (yet) to KEF).

There has always been a one-off ‘Santa flight’ (these never show in flight timetables) to KTT on a Saturday in December, going out in the morning and coming back late at night to accommodate the day trip to Lapland. I suspect this may continue, but these new flights are not ‘Santa’ flights. Instead they will operate straight back to EDI and, presumably, are there to accommodate short breaks (flights operate Mon/Thurs), as well as perhaps one-week breaks, etc. This is also a nice surprise as these flights are only available from a handful of bases, also exclusively in December.

Ultimately, this is still a long way off and changes are almost guaranteed. Nevertheless, whilst it’s certainly not a great offering of ‘sun routes’ across the whole season, there are a couple of nice extras in there that EDI doesn’t normally see from TUI. There also appears to be some space on Saturdays for a couple of ski routes as per normal.

[helipixman]

Not really sure what and why this is being allowed to happen, when the Central belt of Scotland is currently having restrictions imposed ! We are not allowed to visit our own families, pubs and some restaurants are closed etc etc. We are also told not to travel outside our local NHS area, so how is this happening or being allowed to happen ? Or are we just importing and exporting COVID

I am told not to visit family or travel outside my own area, but I guess I could book a flight as per those below ?

Today
Edi - Frankfurt (Lufthansa)
Edi - Paphos (Jet2)
Edi - Amsterdam (KLM)
Edi - Lanarca (Jet2)
Dublin - Edi (Stobart)
Edi - Rhodes (Jet2)
Rome -Edi (Ryanair)
Edi - Paphos (Easyjet)
Edi - Copenhagen (Ryanair)
Edi - Tenerife (Easyjet)
Edi - Bodrum (Easyjet)
Charles De Gaulle - Edi (Hop)
Edi - Faro (Ryanair)
Amsterdam - Edi (KLM)
Edi - Belfast (Easyjet)

[mike current]

Originally Posted by helipixman

Not really sure what and why this is being allowed to happen, when the Central belt of Scotland is currently having restrictions imposed ! We are not allowed to visit our own families, pubs and some restaurants are closed etc etc. We are also told not to travel outside our local NHS area, so how is this happening or being allowed to happen ? Or are we just importing and exporting COVID

Because if the government forced aviation to shutdown, then they would be responsible for it and would have to help supporting it.
This way they keep it "open", although it's de facto shutdown. But at least there's no formal obligation to keep the industry alive.
The current figures make no financial sense for airlines and airports. They'd be better off closed. They're only keeping things running to maintain a presence and to be in some sort of readiness for when things pick up again.

Yesterday in the top 3 UK airports for aircraft movements were Stansted and East Mids. 2 major cargo hubs. Exactly what happened back in April and May. We may be not in an official lockdown, but effectively we are!

[ScottishAviator]

Originally Posted by helipixman

Not really sure what and why this is being allowed to happen, when the Central belt of Scotland is currently having restrictions imposed ! We are not allowed to visit our own families, pubs and some restaurants are closed etc etc. We are also told not to travel outside our local NHS area, so how is this happening or being allowed to happen ? Or are we just importing and exporting COVID

I am told not to visit family or travel outside my own area, but I guess I could book a flight as per those below ?

Today
Edi - Frankfurt (Lufthansa)
Edi - Paphos (Jet2)
Edi - Amsterdam (KLM)
Edi - Lanarca (Jet2)
Dublin - Edi (Stobart)
Edi - Rhodes (Jet2)
Rome -Edi (Ryanair)
Edi - Paphos (Easyjet)
Edi - Copenhagen (Ryanair)
Edi - Tenerife (Easyjet)
Edi - Bodrum (Easyjet)
Charles De Gaulle - Edi (Hop)
Edi - Faro (Ryanair)
Amsterdam - Edi (KLM)
Edi - Belfast (Easyjet)

The majority are 14 day self isolation on return to Scotland

[helipixman]

Originally Posted by ScottishAviator

The majority are 14 day self isolation on return to Scotland

Yes but do they actually stcik to the quarantine rules ?

An I though Eire was back in a severe lockdown with travel restrictions and heavy fines ?

Dublin to Edinburgh ???

[Sk1schoolsam]

Originally Posted by ScottishAviator

The majority are 14 day self isolation on return to Scotland

Some of us still need to travel internationally for work purposes (the world has not stopped and Asia is up and running) so accessing flight to go East via hubs is vital. It’s not all about local Euro holidays.

Saying that I know people that are happy to fly to several afore mentioned destinations for some sun and warmth right now and take the two week hit when they return. They are all working from home anyhow so the 14day quarantine (which is stupid and could be easily reduced with testing like other more savi countries are doing) really makes no difference.

it seams some people think travelling out with the UK makes you more venerable to COVID 19 when I would argue May places it’s the opposite. Controversial...don’t care... we need to move on like other parts of the world have realised.

[inOban]

And when they move on, their number of cases rockets until their health and care services get overloaded.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Originally Posted by Sk1schoolsam

Some of us still need to travel internationally for work purposes (the world has not stopped and Asia is up and running) so accessing flight to go East via hubs is vital. It’s not all about local Euro holidays.

Very few people need to travel internationally for work purposes, very few indeed. All non essential business travel is now not being signed off.
Asia is not "up and running". That's palpably false. Large parts of China are domestically open but subject to immediate major lockdown of whole cities with no warning as cases arise. They are taking a very different approach to the UK but with no reliable vaccine yet, it's whackamole time. This is the first pandemic that we have tried to deal with by locking down on a global level (mainly). There's only two routes back to our old lives :
1. A vaccine which is what our govts are 100% relying on as they dare not contemplate a Plan B (see below)
2. Let it run through and shield the elderly as the fit build up herd immunity. Worth a read https://gbdeclaration.org/

With no sign of 1. there's no way back to school exams, no proms, no university experience, no BAU cancer care, no return to mass international travel. EVERYTHING is being gambled on this miracle vaccine. Australia has had a very tough winter, especially Victoria, the UK will see worse in terms of challenges by virtue of the Northern Winter being harsher with more people being forced indoors. And the money's running out.....

Originally Posted by mike current

Yesterday in the top 3 UK airports for aircraft movements were Stansted and East Mids. 2 major cargo hubs. Exactly what happened back in April and May. We may be not in an official lockdown, but effectively we are!

This is exactly it. We have rain, snow and darkness to come, it's nonsense to think they'll be doing anything but tightening things up and introducing harsher lockdowns. Chief Mammy is already signaling we'ans will be enjoying a digital Christmas this year. With the current strategy, this will be repeating each year until a vaccine but public patience may well not survive a full winter of this. We shall see.

[SWBKCB]

Herd immunity - these guys disagree

https://www.nature.com/articles/d415...2948-4#ref-CR3

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...153-X/fulltext

[helipixman]

Originally Posted by Sk1schoolsam

Some of us still need to travel internationally for work purposes (the world has not stopped and Asia is up and running) so accessing flight to go East via hubs is vital. It’s not all about local Euro holidays.

Saying that I know people that are happy to fly to several afore mentioned destinations for some sun and warmth right now and take the two week hit when they return. They are all working from home anyhow so the 14day quarantine (which is stupid and could be easily reduced with testing like other more savi countries are doing) really makes no difference.

it seams some people think travelling out with the UK makes you more venerable to COVID 19 when I would argue May places it’s the opposite. Controversial...don’t care... we need to move on like other parts of the world have realised.

Sadly it's people who obviously clearly state that they do not care could be the ones causing problems. It's not until you lose a member of your family, then you will maybe start caring. Is International travel for business really necessary, no it can be done over the internet, Lives are far more important. You seem to think all the people who return do Quarantine ! Thats crap because people admit to not doing it, becasue as they say I wont get caught. The rules are there for a reason wether we like them or not.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Originally Posted by helipixman

The rules are there for a reason wether we like them or not.

That "reason" was to give the NHS three weeks of breathing space. The reason now is to save lives where the average age of COVID deaths is 82 and life expectancy is only 81. The rules are grossly disproportionate to the quantifiable risk. This is the Madness of Crowds, a hysterical over-reaction with no proper exit strategy.

Ireland are locking down hard, Wales just announced shopping for "non essential items" is to be illegal until otherwise stated. It's a group insanity driven by politicians well out of their depth. The reality may only hit home if and when Emirates drops EDI or someone like United "postpones" any return for summer 2021. (MAN is already gone). This whole farce is spiralling into the realm of the absurd, and the degree of long term self harm is still not being widely understood. If BA get through 2021 without being nationalised that's a win. It's not as if there's anyone capable of filling that gap from the UK side.

[southside bobby]

One wonders why BA & nationalisation is mentioned...what is so deserving of BA that that should that happen?... always supposed the poster was a free marketeer.The times they are a changing...definitely.

[tictack67]

Originally Posted by southside bobby

One wonders why BA & nationalisation is mentioned...what is so deserving of BA that that should that happen?... always supposed the poster was a free marketeer.The times they are a changing...definitely.

​​​​​Not sure how nationalising IAG which is listen on London and Madrid stock exchange

Unless he was meaning nationalised by the Spanish 😂🤣

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Originally Posted by tictack67

​​​​​Not sure how nationalising IAG which is listen on London and Madrid stock exchange
Unless he was meaning nationalised by the Spanish 😂🤣

BA is a UK AOC holding London based op-co of IAG. If things get worse, and they likely will, there may come a tipping point where Madrid has to bail out Iberia and London bails out BA, in the national interest of not losing their home network carriers. IAG won't have a whole lot of choice unless things improve sharpish.

[southside bobby]

Would possibly major shareholder the Qatar Sovereign Wealth Fund or the even the latest investor a major hedge fund help with that.

[GoEDI]

Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot

That "reason" was to give the NHS three weeks of breathing space. The reason now is to save lives where the average age of COVID deaths is 82 and life expectancy is only 81. The rules are grossly disproportionate to the quantifiable risk. This is the Madness of Crowds, a hysterical over-reaction with no proper exit strategy.

Ireland are locking down hard, Wales just announced shopping for "non essential items" is to be illegal until otherwise stated. It's a group insanity driven by politicians well out of their depth. The reality may only hit home if and when Emirates drops EDI or someone like United "postpones" any return for summer 2021. (MAN is already gone). This whole farce is spiralling into the realm of the absurd, and the degree of long term self harm is still not being widely understood. If BA get through 2021 without being nationalised that's a win. It's not as if there's anyone capable of filling that gap from the UK side.

In a perverse way I'm almost ready to welcome the incoming complete economic collapse with open arms at this stage, as I think it's the only thing likely to slap the majority out from their blinkered Gov/media formed covid fear clouds, and see the bigger picture here. Reap what you sow etc...

To keep it on topic it seems EK have already dropped EDI recently anyway, with all flights being removed from their booking engine...so there's definitely nothing hitting home yet based on that development. Personally I find EZY dropping from over 200 flights a week last November, to 22 flights a week this Nov even more alarming.

[Plane mad 134]

EasyJet are to start a new EDI-ACE route 2x weekly and EDI-FUE 2x weekly. TFS will continue 3x weekly in November as well, instead of being cut as previously planned.

[olster]

Edinburgh car park charge shock horror

Once again commuted up from a not as empty as predicted Terminal 5 on the former national carrier to Turnhouse. This time not imprisoned for 55 minutes prior to disembarkation and I enjoyed my sea salt crisps and water. As usual my wife picked me up from the drop off zone. This normally takes military precision in terms of timing due to the ever increasing charge courtesy of the enlightened management at Edinburgh airport. However unbeknownst to me there is a tiered charge and our timings this evening were a little off. The car was there for 12 minutes and the charge was wait for it 10 pounds!! Yes you read that right 10 quid for waiting just over 10 minutes.

My last post ref the absence of steps at Edi attracted a mixed reception. I wrote it like this one in a.humorous vein but with a serious underbelly. I am sure we can mainly agree that these Edinburgh car park charges are ludicrous. The aviation industry is in the doldrums and the Edinburgh approach in the face of economic Armageddon is to increase the car park charge. Please don’t read this if you are disinterested. The gist of my previous thread attracted a fair amount of ‘ why are we talking about this while we have the covid crisis, millions are dying etc’ and ‘ moderators ‘ take down this thread ‘ etc I do agree that what is happening to aviation is beyond terrible and tragic in terms of the economic impact but charging 10 pounds for a pick up is ridiculous.

cheers

[UnderASouthernSky]

You're complaining about being charged for spending over 10 minutes in the drop off zone when you were actually being picked up?!