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Old 7th May 2020, 09:55
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Originally Posted by 4eyed anorak View Post
United are pencilled in to restart the Newark service on the 24th October this year. Will this be with a 757? If passenger levels grow to pre-Covid levels then they'll have to use a 763.
As stated earlier American are starting next year. That'll surely be a A321N?
Delta are due to restart again 2nd June this year with a 757. With them being the sole carrier across the Atlantic this summer could we possibly see it being changed to a 763, extra frequencies or, dare I say, 777?

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All the evidence points to it being quite some time before demand returns to pre Covid-19 levels. I would be very surprised to see any transatlantic service return to Edinburgh before Summer 2021 at the earliest. As for Delta resuming on June 2nd, I would take that with a pinch of salt. The likelihood that they would operate a 777 this summer or for the foreseeable future therefore being exceedingly unlikely. Sad as it is, aviation is emerging into a new world and will struggle for some time to come I fear. United resuming on October 24th must also be unlikely, given the winter season yields that could be expected, and don’t forget any social distancing on aircraft will just make the financials a whole lot worse. Very difficult times indeed and the worst it has ever been for airlines.
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Old 7th May 2020, 10:25
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Originally Posted by nowhereasfiled View Post
LCY returns 1st June too, 3x daily with early morning departures both ways.
Really??

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52570936

No meaningful return to operations until July at the earliest for IAG. Depends, I suppose, if they consider LCY/EDI "meaningful".
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Old 7th May 2020, 10:25
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My points were, at times Scotish politicians said we are all in this together as four nations. Went into lock down together and all but one nation seem to want to ease lockdown together.

My main point is with Scotland possibly being three weeks behind the other three nations, at some point all other nations/countries will be flying around and Scotland NOT. Or will Scotland have to bend the rules and allow flights to operate during their extended lockdown. By not leaving all together we will always be three weeks behind England not just in air travel in all matters of trade. What eveidence have the Scottish Politicians given to extend it ?
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Old 7th May 2020, 11:00
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In worse news airlineroute are reporting Qatar are to now start Doha 4x weekly from the 1st of July and will increase to 5x weekly from the 1st of August. Currently 2x daily resumes from the 1st of September. Hoping Qatar are 2x daily next summer.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...00gmt-07may20/
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Old 7th May 2020, 11:12
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Originally Posted by helipixman View Post
Porrohman

My points were, at times Scotish politicians said we are all in this together as four nations. Went into lock down together and all but one nation seem to want to ease lockdown together.

My main point is with Scotland possibly being three weeks behind the other three nations, at some point all other nations/countries will be flying around and Scotland NOT. Or will Scotland have to bend the rules and allow flights to operate during their extended lockdown. By not leaving all together we will always be three weeks behind England not just in air travel in all matters of trade. What eveidence have the Scottish Politicians given to extend it ?
I'm struggling to see how lifting lockdown is going to drastically change this situation. Even after lockdown is lifted, strict social distancing is likely to remain in force for the foreseeable future, meaning no one will be "flying around".
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Old 7th May 2020, 12:13
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Originally Posted by ROC10 View Post
I'm struggling to see how lifting lockdown is going to drastically change this situation. Even after lockdown is lifted, strict social distancing is likely to remain in force for the foreseeable future, meaning no one will be "flying around".
Flying will have to re start at some stage so someone will be flying you only have to look at the Aer Lingus flight from Belfast to LHR 95% full, those passengers needed to fly for whatever reason, so people are willing to fly. It's been said that social distancing in airliners is impossible and will not work becuase of the air re-circling system !!! So as soon as airlines see a glimmer the skies will start to be full again. Infact about three weeks ago there were approx 50 aircraft airborne over the UK now its more like 100+ already doubled.
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Old 7th May 2020, 13:08
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It's been said that social distancing in airliners is impossible and will not work becuase of the air re-circling system !!!
I am not sure that is correct; at least on the majority of airliners. It has been said that social distancing is not necessary because of ECS/Air-Con systems.
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Old 7th May 2020, 13:32
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HELIPIXMAN - Right now the three daily Aer Lingus flights to Heathrow are the ONLY way into and out of Belfast to and from the rest of the UK by air !

Through Loganair are maintaining the Stansted subsidised link into Ellington .

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Old 7th May 2020, 13:37
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Worth also noting Air Canada Rouge have removed the B767. This will be the mid 1970s all over again IMHO where services took years to come back, if at all.
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Old 7th May 2020, 14:01
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Originally Posted by Rutan16 View Post
HELIPIXMAN - Right now the three daily Aer Lingus flights to Heathrow are the ONLY way into and out of Belfast to and from the rest of the UK by air !

Through Loganair are maintaining the Stansted subsidised link into Ellington .
I understand that, but it does show that people are willing to travel during lockdown, even with being told all but essential travel ? I looked at the photos of the travellers, could not see any wearing masks.

Lets hope sense prevails regarding all aspect of easing lockdown, after all the hard work the NHS and key workers have done, be a shame to waste it, I live in Scotland and not that bothered about the extended lockdown if it keeps us safe, just wondered what impact it would have between here and the other UK Nations for air travel?

BTW where is Ellington ? or did you mean Eglington

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Old 7th May 2020, 14:39
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Originally Posted by helipixman View Post
I understand that, but it does show that people are willing to travel during lockdown, even with being told all but essential travel ? I looked at the photos of the travellers, could not see any wearing masks.

Lets hope sense prevails regarding all aspect of easing lockdown, after all the hard work the NHS and key workers have done, be a shame to waste it, I live in Scotland and not that bothered about the extended lockdown if it keeps us safe, just wondered what impact it would have between here and the other UK Nations for ait travel?

BTW where is Ellington ? or did you mean Eglington
Yeah he meant the Eglinton/City of Derry-London PSO.
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Old 7th May 2020, 15:10
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Originally Posted by mike current View Post
We don't even know if we'll be able to go see a friend for a cup of tea on the 1st of June. Never mind 3 daily flights to LCY...
Its bookable on the BA website, and CF announced they’ll be starting Ops 1st June.



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Old 7th May 2020, 15:13
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot View Post
It’s all over FB as well as pulling long haul out of LAX. The B757-300s are not all going but they don’t have transatlantic range. So it’s gonna be B763s for Scotland or a pull out.
Facebook?! Christ it must be true then.... sounds like opinions are being confused with fact. I think a lot of people saw the "767-300 fleet is the only subfleet that will fly for the foreseeable future" comment, and automatically took that to mean full B757 retirement. Whilst it remains a possibility, and it's clear from the displacement bids that the B757/767 fleet is going to be drastically reduced at the very least, whether they retire the B757 completely remains to be seen, no fleet retirements have been publicly confirmed by UA yet AFAIK. All they've indicated are planned base closures.

Yes LAX B787 base is confirmed as closing, but again that doesn't necessarily mean no long haul at all from there...routes could be crewed by other bases.

To keep things at least vaguely on topic, I do wonder if UA will choose to suspend ORD and IAD next year to help bolster the EWR route, regardless of what type is operating...
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Old 7th May 2020, 16:32
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Originally Posted by USERNAME_ View Post
Its bookable on the BA website, and CF announced they’ll be starting Ops 1st June
You can also book a package holiday to Spain with Jet2 from the 17th of June for that matter..
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Old 7th May 2020, 17:09
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Originally Posted by mike current View Post
You can also book a package holiday to Spain with Jet2 from the 17th of June for that matter..
Some of the CF fleet positioned back to LCY today, so it’s looking likely that Ops will indeed start 01/07 as announced.

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Old 7th May 2020, 17:11
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What do you think the chances are of the Spaniards letting the Brits in by 17th June? According to Nicola today, Scotland is going to stay locked down to almost the end of May (or longer). Seems unlikely the Spanish will welcome Scottish tourists so quickly.
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Old 7th May 2020, 20:35
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Air Canada Rouge To Retire Boeing 767 - EDI ops?

From Airwaysmag (on-line) 07 May 20

'Following Air Canada’s (AC) 1Q loss report, its subsidiary Rouge (RV) will retire a number of Boeing 767 aircraft due to the halt of long-haul international operations.

According to the statement, the operation is part of a 79 Boeing 767 withdraw plan related with principal carrier Air Canada (AC) and its subsidiary RV.

Even though some aircraft will remain in the Boeing 767 fleet, AC CFO, Michael Rousseau said that key European international destinations covered by RV would be now operated by AC’s Airbus A330 and Boeing 777.''

- Wondering if YYZ / EDI (&GLA, MAN & LGW) will be dropped, or at least not re-started for summer 2021? or are they considered key European Intl destinations?
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Old 7th May 2020, 20:57
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Didn't Air Canada buy Air Transat? TS already have a presence in Glasgow so I guess they could strengthen ops with more frequent A330s and perhaps return to Edinburgh with the A321LR.
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Old 7th May 2020, 21:43
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I think the proposed AC purchase of Air Transat was blocked on competition grounds.
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Old 8th May 2020, 08:32
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Originally Posted by willy wombat View Post
What do you think the chances are of the Spaniards letting the Brits in by 17th June? According to Nicola today, Scotland is going to stay locked down to almost the end of May (or longer). Seems unlikely the Spanish will welcome Scottish tourists so quickly.
Since, at the moment, there's not a Scottish passport, just a British one, if the Spanish are happy for the English to travel, they'll be OK with the Scots, Northern Irish and Welsh as well. Since the UK has seen no meaning fall in the daily numbers of new cases since the start of April, and nothing changes significantly in the next 2 or 3 weeks there'll be no chance of anyone being allowed to enter Spain from UK, (unless they are residents or key workers) by 17th June, whatever Nicola says.
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