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Old 24th Aug 2018, 09:13
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It only ran for 1 summer with US Airways before it was switched to JFK with American
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Old 25th Aug 2018, 13:43
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Thanks, I thought that was the case. Interesting that they've decided to switch it back.
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Old 26th Aug 2018, 10:29
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Nighthawk not interesting at all - AMERICAN management have decided that European - Eastern Seaboard - rest of the North East and some Trans- continental traffic is better served via Philadelphia.

With UK - New York lower yielding traffic routed via Heathrow filling the back of the bus - Gotta fill those cheap seats on their own and partners multiple flights somehow !

Its a similar situation with the managed decline and finally the binning of the Manchester- OíHare route especially now as AA are now flying mutlple 788 into LHR each day,

The US Air merger has effectively ruined OíHare as transfer hub for AA these days with just the London connection being the only year round route they have left from Chicago , plus few seasonal routes to Dublin BCN, FCO and Athens .

Its almost certain that we are just a year away from them removing the 75w on the North Atlantic in my opinion.

Philadelphia will certainly be strengthened at both Manchester and Edinburgh imho.

However I donít think Dublin - Dallas will be around that long . There really isnít that much traffic from Europe that needs to connect in Texas to be frank.

JFK- Europe with AA is now pretty much just London and Madrid with JV venture IAG Partners , Paris and Milan . Even Dublin is just seasonal with the crappy 75w against multiple Aer Lingus options (IAG company but still not full JV partner or oneworld member some years after purchase !)
Aer Lingus actually continues to code share with United !!!

The only other Western European routes left from JFK are to Barcelona and Rome however I wouldnít at all be surprised if these are also transfered to year round routes to Philadelphia soon ( Barcelona -Philadelphia is currently seasonal )

Anyway frankly the onward connections over JFK on AA are utterly rubbish anyway. Theíre also rather weak up the road if you include that dump on the edge of Flushing Bay !

New York is heavy Banking and Financial Services traffic filling the upper middle and front cabins between , The City, Wall Street and EUNext stock markets in Paris . Much more surprising to me is AA doesnít fly JFK - FRA leaving that market to Star other than over LHR !

The back of the bus is filled with tourists and at times of the year shed loads of very cheap tickets are dumped on the consolidators!

The last point further weakens the viability of year round JFK - UK regional services .




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Old 26th Aug 2018, 11:58
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... with AA perhaps for some of the reasons given- but for DL on JFK and their better regional product, they seem to be doing just fine would growing loads and expanded seasons.
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Old 26th Aug 2018, 12:43
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My lord Viscount - Delta and Virgin (Delta UK) are much stronger in New York that’s for sure these days and they don’t have a dedicated UK domestic carrier shuffling the elites “darn south” !




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Old 26th Aug 2018, 12:58
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... with AA perhaps for some of the reasons given- but for DL on JFK and their better regional product, they seem to be doing just fine would growing loads and expanded seasons.
Another minor point is repeat business on the AA 757, which once suffered is not likely to happen again unless it is someone else's money. The AA BHX-JFK often had sky high fares and low passenger loads making Heathrow an obvious choice in economy but I did mange to pick up a stupid fare in July and even then the plane was not full but what a product, just awful. I hope Rutan16 is correct for EDI's sake that their 757 days are numbered as they are truly woeful.

I still don't know to this day whether the PA system was broke on the outbound but absolutely nothing from the flight-deck. not a word for 7 hours 30 minutes. The crew, food, seats was average, there wasn't any IFE and the only positive is that they got me there and back on time with luggage. I was going to say lucky EDI losing JFK but if the same 757's are just moving to PHL then no such luck for those unsuspecting passengers booking it next year.

Also whilst waiting in line to be abused by JFK staff (by far one of the worst on the planet) on arrival I got talking to a BHX business class passenger who regularly flies to Bermuda (work base) from home (Shropshire) and he said AA and JFK is basically a toxic mix for transfers but he did it as he could fly from BHX rather than LHR but is always an ordeal.

Here in BHX it is hoped Delta try the 757 to JFK sooner rather than later as both EDI and GLA seems to be working and believe it or not the AA 757 back to BHX was around 50/50 US/UK pax split which was a shock as it is often perceived to be mainly UK based traffic but alas the load was only around 110-120 in peak season, which I suppose in reality won't inspire Delta to take the plunge even without competition.

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Old 26th Aug 2018, 23:10
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Interesting numbers Pete, Norwegian are through the one year point now on Transatlantic services and the loads are in general good with typically 160+ on most routes and the Dublin now double daily often close to full eastbound, Edinburgh does well out of SWF, with single class product there are few suits onboard. SNN has outperformed expectations, without doubt pre clearance is a big draw

Passenger feed back in the main is very positive especially the ease of border controls at PVD & SWF compared with JFK and Logan I wouldn’t be surprised to see Dublin going to 3 daily next summer
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Old 27th Aug 2018, 16:15
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Cant see 3 daily. If its going great-guns theyd just put something bigger on one of the rotations. Although mind you they have a lot of MAXs to deploy and keep busy..
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Old 28th Aug 2018, 17:23
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July CAA stats seem to be out. Can't post URL links because of my low post count but a link can be found on the Cardiff thread.

If my calculations are correct, the Beijing, Newark and Chicago load factors are all around 93/94%. Washington is a little lower at 85%.
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I heard if the Emirates flight goes well there is a high chance of it being upgraded to 2x daily that would be interesting to see how Qatar react to that.
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Old 7th Sep 2018, 17:59
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It's took Stockholm 5 years to go double daily, it won't be that quick believe me
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Old 7th Sep 2018, 19:49
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Oooft, the EDI usuals are getting more carried away than usual! Has the first service even started or embedded yet?
Would imagine EK will dominate QR.
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Newcastle still isn’t double daily.....
I suspect EDI will be a good fit for EK, it will also cannibalise GLA as there’s no way their Scottish based Skywards customers won’t be lured East if it suits now they have the option.
GLA are re-building stand 30 for the A380 which means one of two things.
1) They decided to do this on the basis EK would then send them an A380 if they put the infrastructure in place first
2) They knew EDI was coming and GLA may be more suited for high volume economy on the two class A380 whereas EDI would be launched with a few to going twice daily on a three class B77W.

Scotland then well covered.
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Old 9th Sep 2018, 08:24
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https://airwaysmag.com/traveler/the-...rgh-to-dublin/
With only 50 passengers out of 280 on the EDI-DUB leg, are all the passengers boarding in DUB to fill it for the onward flight to PEK?
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Old 9th Sep 2018, 16:06
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I took the EDI-DUB Hainan flight at the end of August and there were no more than two or three empty seats in economy. The vast majority of passengers appeared to be just doing the hop to Dublin - certainly the two people next to me were only doing EDI-DUB. I saw a few who appeared to be going onto Beijing - notably the family behind me, but I didnít notice anyone who seemed to be doing PEK-EDI-DUB though.
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Old 9th Sep 2018, 17:35
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Does anyone have any idea why there were two QR A350's (A7-ALS, A7-ALM) in today?
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Old 9th Sep 2018, 19:38
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Does anyone have any idea why there were two QR A350's (A7-ALS, A7-ALM) in today?
The one which arrived yesterday is tech.
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Old 10th Sep 2018, 12:23
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Originally Posted by CabinCrewe View Post
https://airwaysmag.com/traveler/the-...rgh-to-dublin/
With only 50 passengers out of 280 on the EDI-DUB leg, are all the passengers boarding in DUB to fill it for the onward flight to PEK?
I would have thought that most pax would, if they had the flexibility on dates, opt to use their own direct service rather than transit Edinburgh or Dublin. I most certainly would - why add two or three hours plus and the hassle of disembarking and boarding again at an intermediate stop onto an already long flight?
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Old 10th Sep 2018, 12:26
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Edi extension part opens

Inside the newly open Edinburgh Extension gate area for gates 12-16 which opened earlier (in part) today. Looks good and very quite at the moment 😊. Large Pret and a small WH Smithís now open too in this space, still some hoarding up in the area so assume more retail to come. Wonder if space future Emirates lounge......😜

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Old 10th Sep 2018, 13:27
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Originally Posted by Sk1schoolsam View Post
Inside the newly open Edinburgh Extension gate area for gates 12-16 which opened earlier (in part) today. Looks good and very quite at the moment 😊. Large Pret and a small WH Smithís now open too in this space, still some hoarding up in the area so assume more retail to come. Wonder if space future Emirates lounge......😜

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I have seen some pics of it. Looks pretty good, plenty of seating and there seems to be a fair bit of space and natural light through the windows.
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